how accessible is mac and its native apps?(self.Blind)
submitted by nekofluffy
I would like to get one macbook someday if it is good enough for me.
I understand mac has voiceover too. I do like my iPhone with voiceover so it reads up most of textsiu cant read physically.
I want to know how is video editing, music producting on mac.
On iPhone, I ccant do good transitions such as zoom. or on Garageband i cant do automation and auto pan.
i can already do cut on iMovie on iPhone or i can just use reaper on PC.
so how is garageband, imovie, logic pro, final cut and etc?
Laser_Lens_42 points11m ago
I currently use an M1 Mac mini. I use logic pro almost daily for music production, and I am happy to report that it works quite well. There’s also a nice little community of blind musicians who use it. As for video editing, I successfully managed to use iMovie several years ago, but I can’t speak to its current state. I don’t have experience with final cut. Sightlesskombat has been experimenting with that, and using it with some success, from what I remember. All that said, voiceover for Mac is not the same experience as voiceover for iOS. Yes, it has a similar navigation, structure, and rotor controls, but it also has all of the typical desktop navigation commands. You would expect from a screen reader, like Jaws or NVDA. It also has a lot of quirks and bugs. A lot more than on iOS. It’s bad enough that I wrote an email to Tim Cook about it not long ago. If you want a Mac to do content creation, I think it’s a good machine as long as you’re prepared For a little frustration. Otherwise, I cannot, in good faith, recommend a Mac. Some blind people feel differently, and that’s OK. It’s good to get perspectives from multiple users.
nekofluffy [OP]2 points11m ago
i am happy to see logic pro user! i didn't find anyone in my country or at least they havent writing any articles so i was worried if it was really usable for us. i will search Sightlesskombatfor the finalcut pro. where can I find the community? i would like to know if its public one. if its private it is ok. thank you for the details!
Marconius2 points11m ago
Also a primary and power Mac user here. All of the native Apple apps in MacOS are built to be accessible no matter what assistive tech you are using in the system. Garageband and Logic Pro are accessible with VoiceOver and there are some good tutorial videos out there on YouTube from professional blind musicians on how to get them to understand their workflows. iMovie comes with the Mac for video editing, but if that's something you are really going to get into, it's worth buying Final Cut Pro. It's a much more robust and professional editing system that also happens to be fully accessible with VoiceOver.
Compression and conversion apps like Compressor and Handbrake are accessible as well, along with playback apps like VLC. Automator, Scripting tools, Xcode, and system utilities are all accessible as well, and I love building websites and writing code in either TextEdit or Xcode and using Terminal for command line processes. However, if getting into Terminal, I'd recommend getting the TDSR screen reader which was built at the Lighthouse here in SF purely to make a better screen reader experience when using Terminal itself.
Mail, Safari, Photos, iCloud, Pages, Numbers, and Keynoteare all inherently accessible, as is Microsoft Office. No trouble at all with Messages or Zoom for connectivity, and adjusting system preferences and managing networks is a breeze.
nekofluffy [OP]1 points11m ago
Awesome! glad to know all the native apps are accessible! yes i found some ppl using finalcut pro but i wasnt sure if it was usable more than just cut.trim and basic things. if i ever get a mac then i would go for finalcut pro. also thank you for the additional screen reader info for terminal. it would definitely help me when i try coding there!
n8dx1 points11m ago
Hey ! If you are using Logic Pro, there is a plugin called FastBoard that allows you to use Logic entirely with VoiceOver. It does cost 100€, and the website is probably in French, but it works pretty well. Here's a link : **https://www.fastboard.fr/**
nekofluffy [OP]3 points11m ago
that sounds awesome o: when i get a mac i probably need this. thank you for the info!
SiriuslyGranger1 points11m ago
Full time primary mac user here, and I am not your typical everyday user either. I code on the mac as well and starting to use terminal. I am totally blind and so is my boss who is totally blind and who also primarily uses a mac and he owns his own dev company. Let’s just say he wouldn’t have it any other way.
I’ve done some audio stuff on mac and it’s pretty good.
So one thing to note is macs are not flat Osx and it’s mostly all shortcuted. Mac is it’s own thing and you can’t use it like a windows device.
I like it and it works well for me. It depends on you though but totally usable and accessible and just as good if not better in my opinion. I recommend it.
I am so impressed I am learning swift at some point but right now work works off javascrip and html so I have to learn that first.
brunoprietog1 points11m ago
Interesting, what code editor do you use? Can you read the indentation with Voiceover?
SiriuslyGranger1 points11m ago
I use textmate.
Yes you can you either read character by character or you look at how many spaces in a character is.
brunoprietog1 points11m ago
Interesting. I use NVDA on Windows with VS Code. Have you tried VS Code on Mac? Does it work well? With NVDA, I can make it so that as I press the up or down arrow it emits a tone that indicates the amount of indentation that line has. Is there something similar with Voiceover? Sorry for so many questions, I'm interested in switching to Mac but for these reasons I have not been able to. And when you check documentation on the web, how does reading code with the arrows work on Mac? What browser do you use? Can you use the console of the browser you use? Or how do you do it with that? Thanks!
SiriuslyGranger1 points10m ago
Sorry for the late reply. I think it works okay. But most of us on the mac side use textmate and some do use vscode there is a version. Or we use xcode the one apple puts out, yes it doesn’t just do swift.
You can use the console of the browser but easier on google chrome. I use both safari and chrome.
You can just do arrows and go word by word. Mac works a bit differently and you’ll have to learn the navigation, don’t think of windows though.
But anyhow yes you can voice over arrow to read it or option arrow for word by word/
nekofluffy [OP]1 points11m ago
glad to know that macis very accessible ! and audio stuff is also accessible, that would be amazing. i would like to use mac for creative things with its native apps mostly. was there any parameters or menues you couldnt access or couldnt control when you were on audio stuff?
SiriuslyGranger1 points11m ago
I’ve only done basics with the audio stuff but I think it’s pretty accessible. Also mac doesn’t have built in audio editing apps, unfortunately. I would say the closest is garage band which has to be downloaded I think? Unless I am wrong. I don’t pay garage band that much attention. I would say soundwave is good and accessible, and there are others. Audacity on the mac is very meh! Amadeus pro is good. And there are others. Mac does also come with final cut pro or could but you would need to buy or download it separately.
nekofluffy [OP]1 points11m ago
I see. thats great the soundwave is accessible there so no problem for basic audio editing. thank you for the details!
SiriuslyGranger2 points11m ago
Yeah, sure. There’s plenty of good audio editing apps out there. And blind people can be proficient at garage band, I am just not one of them.
Sewn271 points11m ago
I too and really wondering about a MacBook or a Mac pad? Because my vision is so low drink simple things is extremely frustrating and takes forever. What are some of the better benefits of a Mac pad?
Laser_Lens_41 points11m ago
By Mac pad, do you mean iPad?
nekofluffy [OP]1 points11m ago
im on the same boat. ipad and iphone accessibility are both good. i turn screen reader on and use it daily for magnifine glass physically and OCR app for reading physical texts. so i wonder if mac had a same or more accessible. it seems like so
SiriuslyGranger1 points11m ago
Higher quality hardware and I think software, the os seems more stable and less buggy at least uniquely.they have a built in magnification tools and screen reader one of the first ones to do it and nailed it and they had one of the first accessibility. Tech lines. Much more connectivity with iphones and other devices like homepods and apple watches.
They are very known for graphics, art, and sound a bit more then windows. Windows is a bit of their own animal but macs are unix machines so similar to other unix machines.
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