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Full History - 2022 - 07 - 20 - ID#w413uy
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Getting Called Out By Fully Sighted Karens (self.Blind)
submitted by matt_may
Took a trip to and stayed at a Disney resort in Fl. I have RP, low vision and night blindness. After checking in and dinner, I left the family at the pool and walked back to the room to unpack. I pulled out my iPhone which “sees” incredibly well in low light and I used that and my cane to navigate.

About half way to the room, an aggressive Kiwi guy started walking right at me and yelling to his party that, "he's recording! He's recording! What do you think you’re doing?" He then blocked my path. I held up my cane and told him that the phone helps me. He shut-up and moved on as if he hadn't just profiled me. This kind of
stuff happens a few times a year - sighted people misinterpret my actions as somehow sinister and call me out for it then just leave.
spaceship4parakeet 55 points 11m ago
While using my cane, I’ve had people walk straight toward me as if to test whether I’d get out of their way. I have just enough sight to usually go around people if the lighting isn’t too mottled with shadows. It seems to generally be men who do this. Anyone else? Maybe we can start a study and publish a paper.
I had someone ask me if my cane was a metal detector.
I’ve also had someone ask what my cane was for when I was using it while wearing a reflective vest that says “Visually Impaired.” I maybe could have said, “It’s to test how well people can read.”
codeplaysleep 40 points 11m ago
>While using my cane, I’ve had people walk straight toward me as if to test whether I’d get out of their way.

I had someone do this to me just two days ago - first time it's ever happened. She made a point to move over so that she would be in my way. I didn't dodge, because I wasn't going to give her the pleasure. We collided, and she stared at me angrily and before she could speak, I held my cane out to her and asked "you need this?" She was not pleased and just stomped away in a huff.

I get the worst looks when I go into a liquor store. I guess you can't be disabled and buy alcohol without people passing some serious judgment.
DarkDan3 8 points 11m ago
I get that at the liquor store too, doesn't help that I look much younger than I am. Always get really concerned looks from people. Sometimes if they ask anything I'll say "it's not for me" just to put their minds at ease.
SLJ7 14 points 11m ago
> Sometimes if they ask anything I'll say "it's not for me" just to put their minds at ease.


Why? That just reinforces the ridiculous ideas they have. If they want to actually open a dialog about it, let them. Otherwise it's not your problem.
DarkDan3 3 points 11m ago
Yeah, you're right. I should just be like "Yeah I'm buying an adult beverage, is there a problem?"
Migmatite 4 points 11m ago
Liquor stores are the worse, employees follow me around a liquor store. I usually tell them I have low vision and am visually impaired but that I'm fully capable of seeing them follow me around which is highly inappropriate.

They tend to back off after that, but it's extremely creepy to have to go through this.
editorously 27 points 11m ago
Your experience with people walking right at you reminded me of a story with my father years ago. I was in a parking lot with my dad going to a best buy. He has rp and uses a cane. When we go places he keeps his left hand on my shoulder and keeps the cane to his right. On our way a guy did exactly like you described and walked right into my father very hard. The guy immediately wanted to fight my father until I started yelling at him and publicly shamed him for intentionally changing his path to cause a conflict. Several people intervened and stood up for us. I don't understand ignorant people. They think people are faking it or using their it to gain something. I later talked with him about it. He said it wasn't even close to the first time someone has done something like that to him.
TrailMomKat 7 points 11m ago
I don't get people like that at all. As I've said to my husband, "shit, if anyone wants to fight me, they're gonna lose either way. Either they beat up a blind lady or they got their ass kicked by one."

Topically, my oldest son, back in April when I started going blind, got angry because I unplugged his computer for going 4 days without doing his chores. He's 16 and hormonal and he actually laid hands on me, but he made the mistake of taking me to he floor. I wrestled for 4 years in HS and had 1 year of ring training. Instinct and muscle memory kicked in and I had him flat on his back in a hold, tagged his ribs when he hit me, effectively knocking the wind out of him. His cousin and youngest brother witnessed the whole thing and started beating the shit out of him when I rolled out and away, and I had to call them off because "hey, HEY! THE FIGHT IS OVER! CUT IT OUT! HE'S DOWN!" He apologized for weeks after that, and his brothers and his cousins won't let him live down the fact that he got his ass kicked by a blind woman.

And before anyone asks, yes, we had a talk about his anger and I got him in to talk to a therapist, since that anger stems from the grief of burying 13 people in 6 months, including his Papa (my father). He was very close to his Papa, and we'd only just buried his 6 year old cousin 2 weeks before my daddy passed.

He's doing a lot better now and he's getting better at just talking to me if he's going through something.
RollForParadise 2 points 11m ago
The way you wrote your story give me a chuckle, thinking about a blind mother wrestling a 16-year-old flat on the floor is great!

I’m also really sorry to hear about all of your losses. Wishing you guys all of the best
TrailMomKat 1 points 11m ago
Honestly, the boy's got me in strength, but he just doesn't know how to use it, yet. Or maybe it was a mix of that and realizing "oh shit, I just hit *my mother." The tackle was a solid hit and I had to pretend for a couple days that I wasn't sore after hitting the tile like that, but purely from a wrestling or fighting prospective, once he got me on the floor with the intent to fight, he didn't know how to follow through on it. Or like I said, he realized what a gigantic fuck up he'd just made, by being a young man and laying hands on his mother for no good reason.

And thank you. We just passed the one year anniversary for my nephew, and my daddy's one year anniversary is on Monday. They both died from horrible luck, as did my cousin. My husband's ex was a suicide. Everyone else died of covid, including my nephew's grandmother and great grandpa on the same day. My poor sister in law lost her baby, her mother, and her grandpa over the course of a couple weeks, and she's understandably not handling it well.

Anyone reading this, if you're not vaccinated, please just get it. There are people that love you and depend on you, and will be devastated if they lose you.
saharacanuck 15 points 11m ago
Your story tangentially reminds me of the time I tripped over someone’s cane. I’m partially sighted but don’t use a cane (I have one for identification and sometimes use one in areas I’m unfamiliar with or dark places). Anyway, crossing a road close to home, see a person with a cane, try to avoid them, and then trip I’ve the cane during their sweep. Lol. I felt like such an ass (because I pass).
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thechristmasbear 6 points 11m ago
I get this SOOOOOO much!!!!! Thank you!!!!! I feel so much comfort just reading my own experience x
Bloodedparadox 3 points 11m ago
Ive had this problem before instead of moving now they either get smacked in the face or shoulder barged
lushlife_ 3 points 11m ago
I like your sense of humor!
JMMSpartan91 2 points 11m ago
I've had a few do the walk right at me thing.


I'm 6'3" (190 cm) and like 260 lbs (117 kg) so I just keep going now.
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LyingSlider7 1 points 11m ago
feel like people at my high school have done this but i don't know forsure. forsure people just don't get out of my way if they see me comming which ive told my aid to stop directing me to avoid them a 260 at one point 280 5 foot 6 stocky guy who walks faster then he problaby should walk right into them because they don't feel like getting out of my way or purposly doing it hopfully helps them learn
razzretina 40 points 11m ago
I get snipped at by people claiming my guide dog is a fake service animal from time to time. After so many times I just ignore them and let them make a public ass out of themselves. They almost always know they have too because you’ll hear them shut up real fast suddenly when I get up and loudly say “forward”. I think other sighted people make disgusted faces at them too or give them shit for it. It’s both annoying and funny.
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razzretina 12 points 11m ago
I waited 7 years between my first and second dogs but eventually I wanted another one. I always warn people who want them that if they don’t like strangers, don’t get a dog. I caved and got a “don’t pet the dog” sign and it has helped (I think it says: Guide dog. Please don’t pet, make eye contact, talk to” or something like that). People still pet her while reading the sign but they’ve at least stopped doing it while we were walking.
Wolfocorn20 2 points 11m ago
That is true i have those too in both my naightive language and english and they do help however the amount of brainless folks i have to deal with on a dayly basses does get anoying at times.
But the store owners that don't know the law or purpesfully ignore it and deny us entry caz they don't like dogs is the most anoying of all. You don't wanna know how menny times i have to tell them to let me in with dog or i'll call the police.
razzretina 2 points 11m ago
Oh! I did have a restaurant owner call the cops on me once when I entered with my dog. They came in, looked at us sitting quietly at our table, and left. My friend said they were laughing when they got outside. If the law is on your side, it’s okay to confidently enter a place with your dog and just go about your business there. I definitely play up the blindness a bit in these situations, smile and be polite after nicely letting them know that my dog and I are allowed to be there, and then I ignore the snarking and grumbling behind me as I go around just being a regular customer. I’m kind of pushy though and I’ve spent many years cultivating a “polite, friendly asshole if you’re going to take advantage of or deny me services I have a right to” attitude heh
razzretina 1 points 11m ago
Oh man yeah I run into that kind of thing too. I’m in the US and I have a copy of the Americans With Disabilities Act on my phone at all times. And I’ve gotten very good at politely saying “Alright. May I get your name and job title please? Thank you. I’ll be reporting you to the Better Business Beuro and the state for being in violation of a federal law. Have a nice day!”
Migmatite 2 points 11m ago
Tbf both my voc rehab and the guide dog place I was looking into have point blank said guide dogs can be petted in public by strangers with permission from the owner and it not undo the training. Abet places like a busy crosswalk is not exactly the place or time for it.

I tend to teach people this, as the quickest way to tell a trained guide dog from a fake is if they get distracted easily when they are being pet, or if they appear aggressive/scared/reactive by another person petting them. While some service dogs can be distracted by being pet, most handlers in a proper situation (again, not busy crosswalk) will be able to redirect the guide dog to put focus back onto them.

It's kinda like how you can tell if a guide dog is real or not by the location they sit when getting in a taxi/uber. Guide dogs are taught to sit on the floor and never the seat of the car.

Edit: I don't tell them the quickest way to determine a real from a fake is how it reacts when being pet. To me that's insider knowledge. I just tell them that they can ask for permission to pet a guide dog, it won't undo the guide dogs training. And the reason I don't tell them this insider knowledge is because we don't need able bodied untrained individuals determining what level is too distracted for a guide dog.
DarkDan3 30 points 11m ago
I get that sometimes, people have claimed that I'm faking being blind because blind people can't use phones. There's just some really ignorant people out there. I remember some fuck head even tried to start a fight with me because he thought I was going to hit him with my cane.
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PungentMushrooms 7 points 11m ago
The whole "Blind people can't use computers" thing is next level stupid. It's 2022 like how is it so hard to imagine that screen readers are a thing. They've been around since the early 90s
RollForParadise 1 points 11m ago
I mean, to be fair before I went blind it never even crossed my mind about how people with visual impairments could even use technology. So it’s probably just something people don’t think about rather than being stupid. I agree though it is the 21st century so there is definitely going to be ways that we can use technology lol
Migmatite 2 points 11m ago
A blind friend of mine was using his phone at a bar and the bar tender gave him a check and point blank told him that he knows what to do with this since he has vision to use his phone.

Mind you, most blind people I know use Seeing AI to help with receipts and paying tabs.

I just sign my name at the bottom of the tabs regardless if it's in the correct place or not. Doesn't matter if it's on the line, as long as it's on the receipt.
TwoSunsRise 19 points 11m ago
At Disney this guy yelled at my husband (who was using his cane): "what are you doing!? Trying to go skiing?!" People are idiots.
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TwoSunsRise 7 points 11m ago
Yeah it is. The cast members are usually great but the guests are something else.
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BlackisCat 3 points 11m ago
I've only ever been to Disney World and didnt find people to be too rude or anything. Does Disney Land have a different kind of crowd?
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potato_rock_bandit 10 points 11m ago
I hate people, I'm sorry this happened to you. New Zealanders tend to be really nice otherwise, sorry you hit an obnoxious, paranoid one. I've only recently started just ignoring people who seem to want to start something with me; am building up to the point where if they try to start something, I'll reply by asking them if they've accepted Jeebus Cripes into their hearts as their personal saviour, turn the tables on them. I know nothing makes me run for the hills faster than that. Perhaps I can alternate between that and asking if they've ever dreamed of working for themselves and gaining financial freedom with Amway.
NoConfidence_2192 3 points 11m ago
I absolutely love those responses and I just might use them! Gave me my first chuckle of the day. Thabks!
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carolineecouture 5 points 11m ago
Well, the cane told the story but no one should deal with that. I bet he was embarrassed as hell. I wonder how a very calm, "Would you like to apologize?" would have worked?
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B91bull 3 points 11m ago
I’ve never actually had anybody block my path. I have gotten a lot of people that asked me if I’m actually blind. My new favorite response is how did you know I’m a giant narcissist looking for attention you caught me bro good job. They’re so confused and thrown off it’s amazing every time 😀 I might be a sarcastic a-hole though 🤷🏼
SiriuslyGranger 3 points 11m ago
I just ignore them. Family is a bit different case, I wish I could ignore family. But if you’re not and you want fight. You fight yourself. If you want drama you’re going to have your own drama show in that corner over there. Thanks. I am very curt or silent at that point and walk away. I don’t tolerate fight or drama. I am a very frank and blunt person.
Wolfocorn20 2 points 11m ago
Wish i could have heard the cops reaction. :)
I mostly do that too but you alway's got that one prick who likes to folow us around and keep getting in my face. Kinda takes the fun out of it.
The one i do enjoy is the loudly conplaining woman who's children don't behave half as good as my dog and they make a full of them selfs by loudly complaining about the dog being dirty and misbehaving and 5 minuts later the children make a mess and anoy everyone else with the screming and crying.
smkelly 2 points 11m ago
I once used my phone on a ride at Disney so I could see the ride better. I got yelled at by Disney staff for recording the ride.

I don't really blame them; I can totally see how it'd look like I was recording.
WanderingAnchorite 2 points 11m ago
I haven't been to Disney in 20 years.

Same with ocean cruises.

There is a totally different class of people attending, this century, compared to last century.
Shuranken 2 points 11m ago
Yup, that happens veeery often to me, but it started to slip from my head pretty quickly as I grow older
Affectionate-Fee2016 1 points 11m ago
I’m working on my O&M license (orientation and mobility) and my mentor said she actively encourages her students to hit sighted people who get in their way with their canes. It’s apparently one of her biggest pet peeves. I can’t imagine what the visually impaired have to go through, but as a student, I have seen people who literally stand in the way of the visually impaired who are actively using a cane. Maybe a good whack will knock some sense into them!
mackeyt 1 points 11m ago
I have so far been fortunate to have positive experiences using my cane. Also with RP, legally blind but with enough central vision if it's not too dim, too bright, too glary or too shadowy. Just this week I had to Uber to Dodger Stadium and find my way through the stadium to meet my son at our seats. It was massively crowded but people were very cool, especially when I walked myself into a queuing line barrier.

But I really worry about what people will think when I have a cane but can obviously see to some extent. I'm a lawyer and I have been very resistant to using my cane in crowded courtroom hallways (where it would really help) for fear jurors will see me functioning ok in the courtroom and think I'm faking it for advantage.
sunflowerdecay 0 points 11m ago
I hate to tell you this but you could get shot or assaulted for using your phone like that. People are very paranoid about being recorded. Maybe try a flashlight at night and rely on cane unless indoors at least.
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