In your country, is it easy to find a job as a visually impaired person?(self.Blind)
submitted by Blind_Insider
Hi everyone. I live in Mexico and I'm a lawyer, but since I lost my sight three years ago I haven't been able to get a job. Many of the visually impaired people I know have only been able to find jobs as massage therapists, receptionists in an information booth, folding clothes, cleaning shelves, or selling sweets and food. I don't know many people who have been able to get jobs in public service, government, big business, and teaching. Is that what our chances are reduced to?
razzretina9 points11m ago
I'm in the US and honestly a lot of the time I think it's no better here. I've struggled for 20 years to get work and never managed it in spite of having a teaching degree. I think the unemployment rate among the blind in the US is 70 percent.
B_Bussen3 points11m ago
I agree. I lived in Las Vegas for ten years and totally blind there couldn't get work either. I've been self employeed most of my life as I grew up in northwest Kansas and did commercial twoway sales and service as well as satellite stuff.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
This situation is very sad. And what do you currently do?
B_Bussen1 points11m ago
Not sure what you are replying to as trackiing this stuff in redit with voice is strange. Anyhow, presently, I'm retired and struggling along to live on social security as my wife paid into it all of her life. I live in a small town and own my house.
Blind_Insider [OP]2 points11m ago
I am very sorry to hear that. When I lost my sight, I thought it would not be so difficult to find a job again, however, neither companies nor people trust someone with a visual disability to handle their legal matters. I don't understand why, I don't defend people with my eyes but it is very difficult to change the perception of others
razzretina1 points11m ago
Yeah it's a huge frustration. We can do most of these jobs, sometimes better than other employees, but employer doubts get in our way. From what I've read it is a problem almost entirely on the employer's side, their lack of understanding and imagination stops them from hiring the blind.
Blind_Insider [OP]2 points11m ago
Exactly, it's all a matter of ignorance. People are not trained to work with those who are visually impaired. Therein lies the problem, if governments cared about training companies to be inclusive, everything would be very different
Lbgmrt1 points7m ago
>Exactly, it's all a matter of ignorance. People are not trained to work with those who are visually impaired. Therein lies the problem, if governments cared about training companies to be inclusive, everything would be very different
I was told hiring a blind person created too many risks. Additionally, cost too much to make the required accommodations.
Migmatite2 points11m ago
Yeah, I was told that 70 percent blind individuals who are considered working age struggle to find gainful employment in the United States. And that it would be even higher if they counted blind individuals who are retirement age. This has always been extremely discouraging statistics.
codeplaysleep8 points11m ago
I'm in the US. I've never had trouble finding work in my industry (software engineer). The fact that I can work remotely helps a. ton.
rumster2 points11m ago
key and also your a coder (geeks rock)
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
congratulations. Here in Mexico it is not so easy, when a company grants you an interview to obtain a job and they know that you have a visual disability, they immediately rule you out
WEugeneSmith3 points11m ago
I am in the US, I am 67 and have recently become legally blind. I was a photographer for 40 years and then I worked as a designer on a club magazine for a small car car club. I had to leave the design job (retired from photography afew years ago) because of the blindness.
I just got a job at a non-profit in Community Outreach. I have no background in social work, but years of self-employment helped me to secure this position. It's not easy to get a job at my age, and in my situation. I know how fortunate I am. I share this story to encourage you to know that it is possible to find fulfilling work, despite the obstacles you might be facing.
Wtih your education and skills, there is a job for you. With technology such as JAWS, you are more than able to read documents and, in my opinion, you are highly employable (in the US, at least).
Don't give up. There is a company that will be lucky to have you.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
congratulations on your new job. Thank you very much for the advice and for sharing your story with me. I don't want to get discouraged, I want to keep trying but sometimes the situation is very complicated and it disappoints me
achromatic_032 points11m ago
I'm in the US and I've definitely heard of blind lawyers here.
It's definitely harder to get a job, especially at the entry level, but we also have a lot of organizations and governmental programs to assist people with disabilities with employment, even funding our tech needs.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
here in Mexico to be able to have a job as a lawyer within the government you need to have a good contact because otherwise it is impossible. In fact, the places are not adapted for people with visual disabilities and in terms of programs and institutions they are practically non-existent. They only generate proposals but they have nothing that really works
achromatic_031 points11m ago
Is this true just for disabled ppl? I feel like that is ubiquitous-- having connections always gets you places in any country! But here we actually have special rules dedicated to helping people get jobs, like schedule A letters in the federal government. Or at the local gov I worked at, there was a special recruiting process for ppl with disabilities that was to the advantage of the job seeker and the manager.
I wonder if you can find a non profit disability rights organization there that would employ you. That is usually a good bet here for employment if you are disabled. I think your status as a lawyer will be appealing to them.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries. I'll give you an example, the government is obliged to employ people with disabilities, however these people are usually friends or relatives and their disabilities are reduced to hearing problems, motor problems or the use of glasses. In other words, it is a false disability and many times you cannot beat the entire system. The same happens in non-governmental associations, they surround themselves with their own people and are only interested in the money they can get and not in helping
rumster2 points11m ago
If you're a lawyer you will have less issues of getting a job in the states with visual impairment. But... The issue is that depending on the position you will have to jump through more hoops. I know might sound horrible - but... I would hold off telling them you are visually impaired as long as you can. I've personally witnessed an employer skip over the blind submission because of that. I was pissed and still pushed them through and they just where a bad interviewer and lost it on their own. I did know a lawyer who was impaired and had a successful career. Suggest you look into the financial sector if possible and also follow up with U.S. light houses on potential careers with them with on site console.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
thank you for your advice. I first looked for a job in the private sector but was not even given an opportunity for an interview. Later I began to look for opportunities within the government, however here in Mexico it is almost impossible to obtain a job of this nature. You have to know someone who is already inside to help you, it is well known about corruption in this country and if you do not have good contacts or money you will not achieve anything
Amazing_Ad73862 points11m ago
Here in Belgium recently our government mandated quotas for disabled people in civil service, a move I respect and appreciate a lot. The private sector definitely lags behind a lot, though. But I don't really blame them either (running a business with sighted employees is hard enough). I just hope that visually impaired people can use civil service to prove themselves or at the very least can get jobs easily there to get the chance they deserve to add value to society and earn their own wages. I'm in IT and as long as you don't do consulting the jobs can be pretty accessible.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
it is assumed that here in Mexico the law establishes that at least 5% of the workforce must be assigned to people with disabilities, however that is only a theory because in practice they always make excuses for not hiring you or the few hires they have out are people who have hearing or motor disabilities but never visual disabilities
Amazing_Ad73861 points11m ago
Yeah, it's kind of similar here. Something that really concerns me is how institutions that are set up to combat discrimination are more and more under fire because they are perceived as bastions of "wokeism" (long live vague, infinitely stretchable concepts of enemies!). So it's becoming harder to actually hold employers accountable to basic decency and compliance to law. I joined a major trade union to protect myself but, though they have good personnel, I'm a little skeptical they will provide the same level of specific expertise.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
I studied in an association for people with visual disabilities but the person in charge does not care about helping them find a job, they do not interview the students to find out what their needs or aptitudes are. She does not worry about taking new courses that encompass more knowledge. She only cares about maintaining the association to continue receiving a salary
Amazing_Ad73861 points11m ago
Yes, unfortunately, there are many shitty people who only care about their paycheck and only want to do the bare minimum. I'd say do your community a service and file a complaint somewhere if it's a public institution to try and get her under some scrutiny. I know it's hard to change things though, my country is very corrupt and nepotistic for instance, but if no one has the will to step up nothing will ever change.
Lbgmrt1 points7m ago
Here in the U.S, it's not any better...
Successful-Station371 points10m ago
Sometimes. Although, going through groups such as NFB/AFB in the US helps a bit. I have been working, on and off different jobs as well as working as a freelancer. It's a struggle doing a job search alone, especially if there are resources that are limited. Not many places are going to be accommodating (ex. large print) to the needs of a VI person, from my experience . I have not, seen the unemployment rate lately though. Thank you for the information, Razzretina.
blazblu821 points11m ago
I'm in the US, visually impaired, 39 and on disability now. I lost my job of 8+ years as a digital press operator. My ex-employer wouldn't even consider moving me to another part of the company just so I could stay employed and they could have access to my know-how. Nope, I was treated like anyone else they wanted to get rid of. My last day there was in Feb.
Spent Feb until June looking for jobs, I felt I could do. The problem was, I don't have any desk job experience. I had 1 job lined up and I thought it would work, but it fell through. Other than that, all my other applications were either ignored or rejected. I even attempted to get hired at a local vision rehab center, but they wouldn't take me, either, and they have all types of jobs.
I was approved for disability by the time June came. Now, part of my monthly government check goes to pay back the 6047 dollars I got for unemployment. That was a shitty deal to say the least. I mean, what was I supposed to do for money? And even then, there was no guarantee I was getting on disability at the time. But whatever, I guess.
SiriuslyGranger1 points11m ago
I know a few blind lawyers here, use to be better friends with one a while back. I am not sure what happened drifted apart. I keep tabs on him on facebook I know a good handful.
Maybe work under a blind person.
I am very newly employed in my position as a dev about 6 weeks now under a blind guy who owns a tiny company who wants to build accessible software and runs a isp. So yeah, very fortunate to get my job and we’re working pretty good fortunately he’s patient. I come more from the IT and testing and that type of environment. I technically didn’t look for this job. It found me.
Rethunker1 points11m ago
If you'd have any interest in working with assistive technology, or figuring out what would be necessary to get the word out in Mexico about new assistive technology, then perhaps you and I could have a chat.
There are legal implications to doing business in Mexico, or in any country, and I'd sure like to know something about that well in advance. And of course I don't assume legal advice would be free.
Given the kind of assistive tech we're developing, I needed to get liability insurance in the U.S. But if we sell something like an app that supports Spanish, and if the app is then useful to many more people throughout the Americas, then what other considerations are there? Would we have to review liability law country by country? Is a warning in the app of potential hazards or failures enough? Are there countries in the Americas where we'd have to block sales until we meet some specific requirements?
We have many Spanish speakers here in the U.S., but their use of our tech would be covered by U.S. law. Maybe something in Mexican law could trip us up? I don't know. I don't know Spanish beyond a few words I use in restaurants, but in a past job I did business in Mexico by working with and supporting a distributor in Mexico. That was a very good experience.
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EffectiveYak01 points11m ago
I'm a US attorney, but I switched careers to tech. I'm not sure about Mexico, but in the US there are contract review jobs that I think you can do remote as an attorney.
Blind_Insider [OP]2 points11m ago
Thank you very much for the advice. At the moment I am perfecting my English to look for other job opportunities, no matter if they are abroad.
DrillInstructorJan1 points11m ago
I worked for a big company for a while. That sometimes helps as big companies can have more willingness to help out, it's not going to kill them to buy you a copy of jaws for instance and if you need a cab they'll book you one. That said I never really felt like I was in control of my life until I went self employed and while you then have to pay for everything yourself, you have way, way more flexibility to negotiate with clients how you want to do things. It's not even seen as unusual, anyone would organise how a job works with a client, and you're doing that as normal, it's just that you're doing it in such a way that it works for you. People barely even notice. That's really helpful. Self employment is not for everyone but if it's something that doesn't put you off, I'd say look at that. Aren't some lawyers basically self employed anyway?
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
believe me I have tried to work for myself, however the clients do not trust me either. I do not understand why? Lawyers do not defend people with their eyes, but it is impossible to change the way others think. I am training in different areas to apply for new job opportunities. I really appreciate your advice
EffectiveYak01 points11m ago
Former lawyer here.
In the US I think it's around 20% who are solo practitioners. And then I think a large majority of attorneys are in small practice with only a few partners.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
Hello, nice to meet you. Here in Mexico I worked as head of credit and collections, after losing my sight no company wanted to hire me again. I tried to contact former clients but they never called me. It is actually very difficult to make people understand that you are capable of defending them even when you cannot see. That is why I am trying to train myself in other different areas so as not to get stuck and get a job.
ABookishSort1 points11m ago
I have a friend who just got a job after many years of being unemployed. He works for or through Lighthouse for the blind (I think) closing out contracts for the military. At the moment he’s working from home due to the pandemic.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
congratulations. 1 out of 1000 people who can get a decent job. More companies should give us the opportunity to demonstrate our skills
CosmicBunny971 points11m ago
I’m in Australia and similar to US, the majority of blind people who want to work can’t get work. It’s extremely discouraging. I think a lot of it is due to a lack of awareness. I’m studying HR, just hoping I can challenge the stigmas
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
Thank you very much, all help is welcome. Here in Mexico there are very few institutions dedicated to people with visual disabilities, but the representatives are only interested in the money that the government gave them and not in helping people.
BlindWizard1 points11m ago
I'm in the US. I've been a massage therapist for 12 and 1/2 years independent and working with other companies. I've always been legally blind and I am headed towards total blindness and being eyeless
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
congratulations. In my case, I am not good at giving massages, I am also diabetic and I have neuropathy, so the sensitivity in my hands is not good.
Yellow_Similar1 points11m ago
I had a blind computer programmer on my local government IT team for years. Great guy. Very productive. Top performer. This was old school coding, though. No drag and drop stuff.
Blind_Insider [OP]2 points11m ago
here in Mexico I know several people with visual disabilities who are very good programmers, however almost no one has access to work within a company. Everything they learn they only use for themselves because they are not allowed to demonstrate their skills in a job
Yellow_Similar1 points11m ago
Seems so crazy, especially today, in this remote work/ work-from-home world in which we live. Should make the visual impairment even less relevant.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
completely agree with you
retrolental_morose1 points11m ago
as a coder, you can still do that. None of the modern stuff takes away from the language you code in
Yellow_Similar1 points11m ago
Great to know.
Complex-Jumping-Bean1 points11m ago
i am in the uk. only 10% of blind people end up getting employment.
Fridux0 points11m ago
Haven't tried to find a job since going totally blind so I can't speak about working under such conditions, but as a person with a congenital visual impairment of only 10% of acuity I never had trouble finding jobs in tech here in Portugal, and that was despite not having even finished high school, which I dropped out of when I found my first job at 17. The thing is: back then my disability did not affect my performance as a programmer since I had enough vision to use a computer like almost everyone else does, so employers and clients didn't gave a crap.
The reason why I'm not looking for a job even though I can still code is because I feel that my dependence on other people in some situations devalues me too much. However I've recently heard about a law forcing companies with 75 employees or more to hire at least 1% of disabled workers that will start being enforced next year for large companies, so there might be an opportunity for me to get hired despite my limitations.
Blind_Insider [OP]1 points11m ago
I hope you can get that job. here in Mexico, the law also says that in a company 5% of the staff must be people with disabilities, but it only remains theoretical because they always use excuses not to hire you and when they hire people with disabilities they are only people with hearing or motor disabilities
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