Being at the centre of attention (first time cane user)(self.Blind)
submitted by 10sec_before_sunrise
Hello all.
I am male, in my thirties. I come from the south of Europe. I have RP. All my peripheral view is gone, but I have retained a good central vision.
I have done three weeks of O&M training, and learnt only the most basic technique indoors. Today I felt brave and went for an afternoon walk with the cane in a very touristy city. I used my residual view for the actual orientation part.
I have been approached several times by street sellers and other random people "offering" me help. People grabbing my arm while I was trying to cross the street. A teenager hugging me to say sorry for hitting my cane with a football (US: soccer) ball. All of that was not the worst, except for a drunk man who almost hugged me, and didn't accept NO as reply for a while.
Does this happen to you as well? I didn't expect to become the centre the attention in this particular way. Many people were friendly, but I was a bit overwhelmed by people's reaction.
I will definitely discuss this with my O&M trainer. But I was curious if others had this kind of experience.
razzretina8 points11m ago
Oh yes, this is very common alas. I get it more with a guide dog but it still happens with my cane too. I've worked on kind of embracing it on a good day and having a lot of quick little things to say when people are getting too in my space ("Thank you but I'm fine, please let go" and "I can follow you just fine, keep talking" are my more common phrases). People are curious by nature but you don't always have to indulge them, there are many polite ways to say "thanks but I don't need your help". I intentionally dress in very bright clothes because I know people tend to watch me; I want to give them a better reason to stare (or a reason to regret staring haha).
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]3 points11m ago
With the guide dog, I suppose it's because they want to play with the dog?
razzretina2 points11m ago
Not so much play with the dog as they're just fascinated by seeing one somewhere that you don't see dogs. She's also well groomed, well behaved, a pure bred German shepherd, and she's doing a job almost nobody gets to see in person. And people just plain like dogs heh.
codeplaysleep7 points11m ago
I don't, typically, but I suspect this may be somewhat regional. I tend to walk more quickly and with more confidence when I have my cane, so that probably helps? I think a lot of it is about how you carry yourself. If you're a new cane user and felt uneasy using it, that might have came across in your body language.
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]2 points11m ago
As other have said, maybe body language played a factor there. But I also suppose there's a regional factor.
Tarnagona6 points11m ago
I definitely get more attention when using my cane then before I did, but not nearly as much as you are describing on a single walk. People are curious and want to be helpful, but intentions aren’t everything. You are under no obligation to answer questions, accept help or be okay with people touching you.
I respond sharply to people grabbing me because I don’t know whether they’re well-meaning, and they haven’t bothered to figure out what I’m trying to accomplish. Then I get accused of being rude. But I hope they remember my reaction before they go tugging on some other random blind person.
If I have time, and someone seems genuinely curious, I don’t mind explaining things about my eyes or my cane. I’ve got little patience for the occasional person who wants to pray for me, though. And I’ve gotten good at saying ‘no thank you’ repeatedly.
It does take practice, though. Saying ‘no thank you’ calmly and repeatedly, knowing when it’s probably better to give a sharper response, and when it’s probably not needed, how to accept or reject questions or assistance confidently.
It’s also possible, as someone else mentioned, that because this was your first try, you were projecting a lack of confidence that people picked up on, and as you get more comfortable walking with your cane, the number of interactions will decrease. Don’t expect them to stop, though.
suitcaseismyhome5 points11m ago
What surprises me is the number of people who think it's ok to touch my bag. I wonder if they cannot make the connection that when someone comes up to a sighted person, and takes their bag without warning, that it's most likely for nefarious reasons.
My instinct when someone grabs my bag, or my body, is to shout 'FINGERS OFF!' in German (mother tongue). And usually the 'nice' person then gets really nasty with me.
What is it that makes these people who think that they are doing good, act so badly, and not want to take feedback?
Clearport4 points11m ago
I can definitely relate to this. I've had several people try to pray for me, right in the middle of a sidewalk. The first time it happened, this person put their hands over my eyes and started chanting. It's one of the most uncomfortable experiences I've ever had, and it's intolerable. I don't care about intentions when it comes to invading someone's boundaries, it is unacceptable at all levels and under all circumstances.
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]3 points11m ago
I have been living in touristy places for all my life, so I have got used to all kinds of people wanting to approach me. But physical grabbing was another level. Looking forward for the outdoors part of my O&M training, then!
SoapyRiley6 points11m ago
I’ve been pushed back into the street to keep me from jumping a puddle at the curb cut, & been second guessed when I tell people that I don’t need help to get where I’m going. Both are super annoying. There are perks tho. People don’t take as a security risk at all so my bag never gets searched.
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]2 points11m ago
If you were alone, I bet you would have jumped the puddle just fine!
SoapyRiley3 points11m ago
I did once she stopped pushing on me. I was in Midtown Manhattan and I don’t think she spoke English to understand that I was telling her to stop. I had found the other side of the puddle with my cane and knew my stride would accommodate that distance. I would also rather trudge through that nasty puddle then get hit by a car so her reaction was especially nonsensical.
DrillInstructorJan5 points11m ago
I very rarely get grabbed for some reason. Possibly it's because I could see fine until early adulthood and I have basically the same body language as a sighted person, but you'd have thought the cane would have been a giveaway. Anyway I will definitely get pretty sharp with anyone who gets physical. I did once get shoved into the street by a schoolteacher who was shepherding a class of kids and I couldn't work out what was worse, being pushed into the roadway or getting mistaken for a twelve year old in school uniform!
Usually though it's my mission in life not to stick out, not to be the obvious disabled person, and to blend in as much as possible. That's just normal social stuff you'd have thought. That's why I don't really like special stuff being done unless I absolutely need it. Like the describing yourself in a meeting issue we were talking about in another thread, if someone did that on the basis I was there I'd be absolutely mortified. The last thing I want is any more reasons for people to think I'm the special case so I do feel what you're saying.
In the end it's kind of inevitable to an extent, the trick I guess is to realise people mean well and try to let it go. I don't always succeed but we can try!
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]1 points11m ago
Interesting perspective. Maybe I was not prepared to stick out that much with a cane, since I grew up a sighted person, and it's a new experience for me.
DrillInstructorJan1 points11m ago
Oh, I know what you mean, I grew up a sighted person too. I always thought that I felt like this specifically because I had sight until I was 19 and I know how the world works in that way. What you will probably find is that people who were blind very early on or from birth have quite different perspectives on things. That's fine for them but I think there's a lot more of them, so sometimes that perspective gets all the attention. I think we have an advantage because we know how other people are likely to react to things and that's useful to know, it just leads to a bit of self consciousness sometimes. In the end though if you need the cane, use the cane, that's my attitude. I'm more than happy to be the open book if people are interested, which does happen, and I would never let anyone being interested or asking questions stop me.
suitcaseismyhome4 points11m ago
I find the uninvited grabbing of my body or of my bags or belongings incredibly intrusive
I have had people grabbed me and pull me off balance and just today I had somebody grab me on the street, with plastic gloves and when I recoiled she seemed offended
I told her that I find plastoc gloves to be incredibly disgusting and she said it's more disgusting not to be wearing gloves but I have no idea Why she thought it was acceptable to reach out and grab my bare arms with her filthy gloves without even asking if I need assistance
The reality is that most people don't know how to act but the few who do ask if you need assistance and then respect your answer are the ones I appreciate
Best of luck
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]2 points11m ago
I can feel the surprise effect of plastic gloves... But yes, I haven't mentioned that, but there were many people who offered help and respected my boundaries just fine. It was fine, no problems with that. Good luck to you as well!
QuentinJamesP893 points11m ago
This absolutely happened to me when I started using a cane, and still does. I was not anticipating being grabbed constantly, forcibly shown to a seat, and getting lots of unsolicited and unwanted help and attention. In the beginning I was usually too stunned and confused to know what to do, but these days I usually just say, "Thanks, but I can cross the street/find a seat/whatever myself. I'll let you know if I need help." Other than that, though, once I finally gave in to using a cane it has really revolutionized my life. I feel way safer, more confident, and more in control.
mackeyt3 points11m ago
I also have RP, no peripheral vision, and did have good central vision but that is starting to go now.
My first thought is that perhaps this is a male/female distinction? I'm male and have not had issues with unwanted touching or hugging.
My second thought is that the alternative is worse. I started using my cane because people in metro/train stations became angry and physical when I knocked into them. Going down the stairs, a guy sitting on a step in a shadowy portion, I tripped on him and he actually punched me. Think I'd rather deal with a hug . . .
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]2 points11m ago
All of this resonates well with me. About the gender factor, I have noticed an interesting thing. After such situations, there were young women passing by who saw what was happening, and afterwards asked if I was OK. I guess they could empathise, as they probably got unwanted attention on the streets at least once in life. Definitely a learning experience.
pisces03873 points11m ago
normally, unless I am having a bad day, even if I know where I am, if someone offers help I would take it.
people grabbing etc can be invasive, and I would just pull my arm from their grasp and either walk on, or if necessary, explain proper sighted guide technique
have you done outdoors stuff yet, as there is a proper technique for outdoors, and you just want to be sure you are safe when out and about
wishing you the best, and any questions my inbox always open
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]1 points11m ago
Thanks! I haven't done the outdoors stuff yet. Only the slide and the two-point touch techniques indoors, and all the orientation part without a cane indoors. Felt much safer walking with the cane, but I may have exposed myself to other kind of risks by not knowing the proper outdoors technique.
pisces03871 points11m ago
does your cane have a roller tip or a pencil one?
Clearport2 points11m ago
I don't recommend ever letting anyone touch you under any circumstances. It sets a bad precedent for future encounters, and just encourages the general view that handling someone like a package is acceptable, which it most certainly is not. I've had issues with family on that subject as well, and I don't tolerate that sort of behavior from them, let alone the general public. Stand your ground, know and enforce your own boundaries, and don't give in for one second, because if you do, it will get much worse in the future. Body language may also factor into why people do what they do when it comes to blind people out in public on their own, but it shouldn't matter what image you present to the world, people should know common courtesy and back off.
Central_Control2 points11m ago
Constantly. People have no idea what to do, want to do something friendly, or deliberately want to mess with you. Clueless, stupid, weird, and some just don't care about anything - you're going to find every single one of them.
10sec_before_sunrise [OP]2 points11m ago
Fine, then. I saw all kind of reactions you have mentioned. But definitely, I was not prepared to be physically approached several times.
SiriuslyGranger1 points10m ago
That sounds like a most interesting and entertaining walk haha!
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