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‘The real deal’: young UK graphic artist nominated for five ‘comic book Oscars’ (theguardian.com)
submitted 16h ago by zsreport
EliteWampa 160 points 15h ago
I’m happy for her but I’m hoping Kate Beaton wins Best Writer/Artist. Ducks is incredible.
jeibel 15 points 6h ago
Hark a Vagrant Kate Beaton ?!?
darkeyes13 7 points 2h ago
Yup. Interestingly enough, if you had followed her Hark! A Vagrant stuff online for long enough, you would have seen strips of what would eventually become Ducks, including the original strip that lends itself to the title of the book. I remember that and her announcing years later that she was working on a book about her experience working in the Canadian Tar Sands.
2point01m_tall 6 points 3h ago
Yop, she wrote a memoir or what you want to call it about living and working in the Canadian oil sand fields. Supposedly really good (I haven’t read it yet cos I’m poor and my library doesn’t have it)
darkeyes13 3 points 2h ago
I've read it and can confirm, it's amazing.
jeibel 1 points 2h ago
That's great, gonna look it up. I check the old HAV website sometimes and I thought she had moved on from writing comics. Thank you!
buttered_jesus 16 points 8h ago
Ducks reminds me of my favorite Guy Delisle comics I think she really ran with the inspiration well
ChiBeerGuy -3 points 1h ago
Ducks is massively overrated.
Hefty_bag_dumps 1 points 1h ago
What is ducks.
PerriX2390 2 points 1h ago
It's a graphic novel written by Kate Beaton called Ducks: Two Years In The Oil Sands
GPTdavenelson 1 points 51m ago
Same. Was really effecting stuff.
bbradleyjayy 18 points 13h ago
I just finished lonely at the center of the earth the other day - I am really glad she got nominated. I hope she’s able to enjoy this moment for herself (: seems like she’s had a bit of a hard time in general
SorryManNo 639 points 14h ago
Ugh I hate when people say the “Oscar of whatever”

It’s the Eisner award, if you care about comics you should know what it is and if you don’t simply being nominated for five of anything should be impressive enough to draw your attention.
Adamsoski 308 points 13h ago
I mean it's an article in a national newspaper, basically no-one reading it is going to know what the Eisner awards are. I think it's perfectly fine to use a comparison to help people understand and draw people into the story.
CouncilmanRickPrime 74 points 10h ago
Yup I honestly never heard of the Eisner award.
06210311200805012006 19 points 8h ago
I still haven't.
tchiseen 9 points 7h ago
It's like the oscars of, something, whatever this article is about
30-0000FF -24 points 10h ago
No-one? Bit presumptive. But I do agree that these things can actually help. Someone who didn't know what the Eisner's was might now go "the Eisner Awards? They're like the oscars for comic books, aren't they?" so it works.
Beta_Factor 9 points 5h ago
You should have probably realized by now that "no-one" in most contexts doesn't literally mean "no one, ever, in the history of reality", it usually just means "a statistically insignificant number".
Captain_Pumpkinhead -21 points 9h ago
And yet people assume we know what an Oscar award is. Just label it Eisner award, and people will pretend they know what that is just like they pretend to know what an Oscar award is.
mystery_fight 86 points 12h ago
As someone who doesn’t know what the Eisner awards are, when I saw “Oscar of whatever” I took notice because I immediately understood it to mean that industry’s most prestigious award. That said, I don’t disagree with your POV. It’s like calling any scandal “something-gate.” And it’s lazy and presumes the audience is just as lazy. I would prefer if they just said “5 Eisners, comic books most prestigious award.”
SorryManNo -12 points 12h ago
Exactly, the article is meant to inform yet the title has to be click bait, it’s lazy.
stomach 26 points 8h ago
what is reddit's weird obsession with headlines and clickbait all about? it's on like 90% of all posts. i seriously don't understand. headlines are shorthand for the detailed info within. this isn't some complicated concept. i honestly just think the intended relay of general information in less than 15-20 words is an impossible feat to placate the demands of redditors. which, from a reddit POV, is an abject failure in understanding what headlines actually are. i don't see this self-imposed annoyance on other sites, tbh
mystery_fight 1 points 8h ago
Only speaking for myself, it’s what I put in my comment above. I understand the need for headlines to convey information quickly, but “Oscars of …” or “something-gate” or “Michael Jordan of …” are just so cliche and lazy. It’s something you can forgive from amateur blogging, but from the Guardian I think it’s fair to ask for a better effort.

Of course, we could also empathize with the journalists who are under pressure to pump out content constantly and for the lowest common denominator, and so we get these tropes everywhere.
ALittlePeaceAndQuiet 1 points 19m ago
I don't mean this to condescend, but to inform. Your comment may be informative of your age.

You're right that headlines are limited by their nature, and that has presented problems of sensationalism ever since their invention a few centuries ago.

But when the shift moved their relative success from subscriptions and newsstand sales to clicks and shares, they started following certain, annoying templates, in an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" process that has decided into misleading readers into what details are actually included therein.

It's hard to explain how it is different than it used to be without having experienced its evolution in bulk consumption of reading material. So I'm left sounding like, "back in my day..." But back in my day, it was easier to tell what you actually wanted to read.

Edit: By this point, I couldn't actually remember the headline we were discussing, and I got away from relevance. I was actually really glad to come across this article and to learn about this artist about whom I was previously unaware.

I do agree with the points made by the commenter above that offered an alternative headline. All the "Oscars of" and "-gates" are lazy from overuse, when there are alternative ways, like in this case when a niche subject could be given its due.
InertiaOfGravity 1 points 56m ago
Article titles need to be conscise - I think this is more than fine
icarusrising9 65 points 12h ago
Do you think the average The Guardian reader reads comics? I can understand the frustration, I get annoyed when people say "The Fields Medal is the Nobel Prize of Mathematics", but that's literally probably the easiest way to explain it in a single sentence...
stomach 14 points 8h ago
this site is full of tweens that don't understand anything yet feel the insatiable need to comment profusely without reservation
BonJovicus 10 points 11h ago
Yup. As another layer, in my field there are several other awards that are as prestigious as a Nobel, but ultimately we usually have to describe them as “it’s like a Nobel” or that it’s “Nobel-tier.”
speculatrix 1 points 6h ago
Winners become royalty, or Nobelity.
vincentvangobot 62 points 13h ago
Isn't the Oscar the Eisner award of movies?
tuh8888 8 points 7h ago
Analogies help people contextualize new concepts with ones they already understand. Most people aren't familiar with the Eisner award but are familiar with the Oscars. I care about comics and hadn't heard of it. The analogy tells me that I can translate things I know about the Oscars to this new award, such as the scale and that it's probably voted on by peers. Analogies are such a helpful means of communicating a lot with very little.
sunnyata 24 points 13h ago
I agree, it isn't even a flattering comparison. The Oscars is a revolting circle jerk.
icarusrising9 37 points 12h ago
Sure, but the average person *has* heard of it, whereas they haven't heard of the Eisner. I really don't think explaining stuff to people by referring to more well-known stuff is the horrific crime everyone here is pretending it is...
RandomStallings 2 points 11h ago
I'm way below average and I hadn't heard of it, either.
t0b4cc02 13 points 12h ago
i found movies getting many oscars to be really nice movies
orange-yellow-pink 11 points 11h ago
Oscars get a bad rap. I disagree with them often but at least it’s not a pure popularity contest like the Grammys.
30-0000FF -3 points 10h ago
The oscars are awards handed out based on who got the most votes. They are quite literally a popularity contest.
ZachForTheWin 25 points 13h ago
Lol maybe, but it's also one of the highest awards you can receive as an actor/actress sooo...
Liimbo 2 points 12h ago
Yes, I suppose that in an industry overwhelmingly dominated by nepotism, being the most liked by your peers is the highest accomplishment.
saltybuttrot 1 points 1h ago
Irrelevant. We know what the Oscar’s are, it’s just an analogy.
Constant_Candle_4338 4 points 12h ago
I think it's to drive clicks. Normal people may click on the article because of the young woman who won the awards because ots not your typical established creator but wouldn't because they never heard of an Eisner. But they have heard of the Oscar and that's enough to click the link which is ultimately all the article creators care about
Arkholt -1 points 10h ago
Agreed. Of course people will say "But nobody knows what an Eisner is," but the only reason for that is that news outlets continue to refuse to put the real name in their headlines. Maybe if they started using the real name instead of "the Oscar of whatever" people *would* know what an Eisner is.
Luvs_to_drink 0 points 7h ago
Wait so there is no comic book Oscar? I thought they were just Oscar's that weren't televised.
saltybuttrot 1 points 1h ago
Nobody knows what an Eisner award is. This ain’t /r/comics
Striking_Unit_8446 12 points 10h ago
First time hearing about her. Can anyone recommend me the best of her works?
QuestioningLogic 15 points 9h ago
"It's lonely at the center of the earth" is what she's nominated for, so probably that one.
FeelDeAssTyson 119 points 15h ago
The future of comics
invisiblette 58 points 15h ago
That's what another artist said about her. And here I've been scolding myself for years to stop even *thinking* about creating self-referential material about psychological suffering. "Nobody cares about my pitiful traumas, hypervigilance and anxiety," I've told myself. We'll never know ...
Codewill 90 points 14h ago
Okay well I don’t know where you got that idea because most big comics/graphic novels are self referential and feature psychological suffering. think the medium is a little over saturated bc the only ones that get big are autobiographical memoirs
invisiblette 10 points 14h ago
I think I thought that genre was in fact over-done, that there wasn't room for any more of it, that if I was going to create something like that I should have tried doing it ages ago and now I'm unrelatably old. After reading *Fun Home* and *Maus* and some works by Adrian Tomine — again, ages ago — I had those yearnings but didn't think I was anywhere near good enough. I'm probably not. Then tons of time passed!
FeelDeAssTyson 19 points 13h ago
>I had those yearnings but didn't think I was anywhere near good enough. I'm probably not. Then tons of time passed!

Maybe you can write about that
Codewill 8 points 14h ago
Haha. Nobody is unrelatable so long as you express yourself clearly. I agree though. Most graphic novels seem to go the fun home and Maus route. I just wish there was another comic as good as maus. Persepolis is also as good. Art spiegelman had such a control and understanding of the medium that I think maus is the best Holocaust work out there, not just better than comics, but better than other books. It does itself so well. Most comics I think would maybe be better as books or movies, but those two are fantastic. Didn’t enjoy fun home personally as much though, although there are some fantastic pages in there.
Arentanji 1 points 1h ago
Go ahead and try. Write it. Start a web comic about it. Do it for stretching your creative muscles not money.
Consistent-Good-1992 1 points 13h ago
Can you suggest other titles of autobiographical memoir genre? I am surprised that you find it over-saturated, and interesting to overlook the manga and DC marvel categories that are dominating sales - and wonder if that speaks to the specific (non-YA?) market you belong to. It is actually quite encouraging you said that
Codewill 4 points 13h ago
Good point, I was overlooking superhero comics and manga, etcetera, although I think manga has the best stories and probably has more artists pushing the medium forward. I am talking more about comics that get compared with other mediums of art. You know, if a comic is to be taken seriously, etcetera. Not to say there arent some genius superhero comics, I just mean, if you ARENT making a superhero comic, it’s probably going to be a memoir. The last comic I heard of was Ducks, another memoir. I would suggest Persepolis, Fun Home, Maus (slightly less memoir-ey but has some bits in it), and I’ve also read In Waves, Hey Kiddo, some other stuff. I don’t know, I’m probably missing out on some great stuff but when I mean oversaturated I mean I only ever hear of autobiographical memoirs winning awards or whatever.
hexcraft-nikk 4 points 13h ago
Go to any Barnes and Noble, they're always what moves and is what popular. Blankets by Craig Thompson really exploded the genre and social media compounded it shortly after. Its now been going strong for decades.
feralfaun39 3 points 13h ago
Spinning by Tillie Walden is fantastic
Ouaouaron 1 points 12h ago
> Okay well I don’t know where you got that idea

I think it may have come from the psychological suffering and anxiety.
CptNonsense 8 points 11h ago
Indie comics are all about psychological suffering these days
invisiblette 1 points 10h ago
I've gotta get back in there and take another look around. It's been awhile.
hahyeahsure 7 points 9h ago
to preface I think zoe is a great comic artist, so if I'm off-base please correct me. But I fail to see the gravity of a 20something privileged white person (who has achieved so much from the get go, more than most depressed comics artists) and their 6-month plight with depression is worthy of not only an autobiography, but an eisner. What's the kicker here? Is it that she's not a white man? How is this as heavy as persepolis or Maus for example? Can I, an emigrant, make my battle with depression of over 25 years into a graphic novel and win an eisner?
BearsBeetsBattlestar 20 points 7h ago
> Rare as story talent is, we often meet people who seem to have it by
nature, those street-corner raconteurs for whom storytelling is as
easy as a smile. When, for example, coworkers gather around the
coffee machine, the storytelling begins. It’s the currency of human
contact. And whenever a half-dozen souls gather for this mid-
morning ritual, there will always be at least one who has the gift.

>Let’s say that this morning our storyteller tells her friends the
story of “How I Put My Kids on the School Bus.” Like Coleridge’s
Ancient Mariner, she hooks everyone's attention. She draws them
into her spell, holding them slack-jawed over their coffee cups. She
spins her tale, building them up, easing them down, making them
laugh, maybe cry, holding all in high suspense until she pays it off
with a dynamite last scene: “And that’s how I got the little
nosepickers on the bus this morning.” Her coworkers lean back
satisfied, muttering, “God, yes, Helen, my kids are just like that.”

> Now let’s say the storytelling passes to the guy next to her who
tells the others the heartrending tale of how his mother died over
the weekend . . . and bores the hell out of everyone. His story is all
on the surface, repetitious rambling from trivial detail to cliche:
“She looked so good in her coffin.” Halfway through his rendition,
the rest head back to the coffee pot for another cup, turning a deaf
ear to his tale of grief.

> Given the choice between trivial material brilliantly told versus
profound material badly told, an audience will always choose the
trivial told brilliantly. Master storytellers know how to squeeze life
out of the least of things, while poor storytellers reduce the profound
to the banal. You may have the insight of a Buddha, but if
you cannot tell story, your ideas turn dry as chalk.

- Robert Mckee, *Story*
Robot_Basilisk 3 points 7h ago
Gotta say, I went and read some of her work after this thread and it came across super chalky. I am baffled by all the praise, and all of the comparisons to established storytellers like Gaiman in the original article did her no favors.

The depression of a middle class white woman just doesn't feel as significant to me as the stories told in Sandman or other highly esteemed works. And few people seem to be as demanding of our attention in society of late as middle class white women.
Four_beastlings 5 points 5h ago
>Can I, an emigrant, make my battle with depression of over 25 years into a graphic novel and win an eisner?

Nothing is stopping you.
hahyeahsure 1 points 51m ago
you'd be surprised
jennyquarx 5 points 8h ago
I'm guessing the execution of it is very good and they're not judging it solely on premise.
wolf_kisses 3 points 2h ago
Maybe it's not only about what race the author is?
PoiHolloi2020 2 points 2h ago
Maybe people like her work for itself and not just according to a formula of boxes to tick?
droppinkn0wledge 4 points 5h ago
>Is it that she’s not a white man?

Yes. Yes, that’s exactly it.
matty80 1 points 4h ago
Depression is an illness, the same as any other. Would you criticise a 20-something "white person" for having a broken leg, or cancer? No, I doubt you would.

Mental illness deserves to have the word 'mental' removed. It's an illness, and it's something that can affect anyone from any background. I don't mean to speak harshly, but if you don't understand that then you have no business talking of it. None of us know what each other are going through, and it isn't about skin colour or money. The richest, whitest person in the world might still die by their own hand.
HoloceneHorrors 1 points 5h ago
Yay for cPTSD!

But seriously.... I might be *nobody* to you, but I'd like to read some of your stuff, if/when you start turning your experiences (anxious or painful as they may be) into art. You've got a beta reader if you want one =)

I love these kinds of things because it can make the rest of us feel seen/heard in a beautiful way. Your catharsis might be the next new best thing, who knows?

&I bet you'd be surprised to find out how many of us feel similarly and thank you for saying, writing, or drawing, about the fucked up places we all stuff down in our heads.
battraman 1 points 1h ago
Without sounding crass but I personally am really tired of seeing so much media on the topic of "Oh, I've got trauma and I need sixty five different medications to get through the day."

I'm not trying to downplay yours, the nominated author or anyone else's issues but why does it feel like everything has to be that way now?
theresabatonmyneck 47 points 15h ago
Woah super cool seeing zoe pop up here! It's Lonely At The Centre Of The Earth was fantastic!
Alexander0232 4 points 11h ago
I'm happy for her. She deserves the recognition
stucky602 41 points 15h ago
Me seeing headline “I bet it’s Zoe”

Really nice to see it was. She deserves every bit of it.
MusclePuppy 6 points 14h ago
Same exact thought, and I was so happy to be right. She's a true gem.
iiiiiiiiiiip 45 points 11h ago
Impressive achievement but the article really downplays the work of non-english female comic book artists/writers, there's a ton of massively successful manga written by women and it acts like they don't exist.

So successful in fact that a single female Japanese comic book writer almost outsold the entirety of the western comic book market at one point
gay_manta_ray 17 points 6h ago
just off the top of my head, naoki urasawa and kaoru mori have been nominated for an eisner a few times, but they basically never nominate manga for anything other than best international work in english. there's clearly a nationality/race-based preference, which is pretty embarrassing in 2023.
Halekduo 17 points 6h ago
Eisners is truly the Oscars of comics.
googlygaga 10 points 9h ago
Who are you referring to ?
internetpointsaredum 12 points 9h ago
Probably Kimetsu no Yaiba.
NeetSamurai90 2 points 2h ago
There's an argument to be made about Full Metal Alchemist as well, and probably a couple of others that I can't recall off the top of my head
4815hurley162342 3 points 7h ago
My favorite anime, glad the artist gets respect.
battraman 2 points 1h ago
Rumiko Takahashi has been churning out hit after hit since the late 70s but yeah, this comic artist is the first.
sp1cychick3n 2 points 7h ago
I’m not surprised
I_Hate_Reddit 1 points 2h ago
You could argue comics and Manga are 2 different media though, there's a huge difference between B&W (usually weekly serialized), and full colored comics going though a traditional publisher (I'm assuming serialized works by Marvel/DC/DarkHorse don't usually get nominated in these awards).
Otolia 1 points 1h ago
There are 3 main branches of illustrated stories : japanese with mangas, french-belgian with bandes dessinées and american with comics. When the journalist talks about comics, they mean american comics.
cerebud 10 points 13h ago
I’d have to imagine being depressed and a comic artist go hand in hand. Hope she’s in a better place with the acclaim
ChiBeerGuy 2 points 1h ago
That is a very ablist statement and a tired preconception of artists.
VariWor 5 points 13h ago
At least the Eisners' can tell you where their name comes from.
icarusrising9 6 points 12h ago
Just finished "It's Lonely at the Center of the Earth". Haven't shed that many tears over a work of art in years. I hope she's feeling better these days. I've tried to kill myself a couple times, and it really fucking sucks lol
Lupulin13 2 points 13h ago
Just finished “Lonely at the Center of Earth” yesterday and it really is fantastic
bekcy 2 points 12h ago
So I just read the preview and now I've bought it. What a treat, it honestly *looks* like how my brain feels and the subject matter resonates deeply.
SonOfZaknafein 2 points 11h ago
Her work looks very interesting. I might pick some up.
AvocadoInTheRain 5 points 6h ago
Eisners haven't been worth much for almost a decade now.
Lastburn 1 points 2h ago
To be fair they also nominated that trashy Mr & Mrs X comic and Ms Marvel for Eisners so what is the award worth really
number65261 2 points 47m ago
Ah okay, I knew something was off here when they were writing articles about a cringey 2023 comic version of every 12 year olds xanga site from 2004.
Twokindsofpeople 2 points 9h ago
I don't get it, but I suppose I'm not the target demographic for her work. I'm glad a lot of people enjoyed it.
true_clef_chin 3 points 14h ago
That’s awesome! I picked up her book a few months ago at my local comicbook store. She’s definitely the next big deal in graphical storytelling!
babblewrap 0 points 14h ago
So excited to see her at SDCC
roronoapedro 1 points 14h ago
Helllll yes, love to see it. One of my favorite books recently.
edubkendo 1 points 2h ago
I’m honestly tired of this kind of thing. Fucking everyone struggles with depression. None of us want to read about someone else’s.
_Vault77_ 1 points 20m ago
Agreed. First panel I read I thought "great, another 'victim' with a story".

I mean who isn't depressed or fucked in some way post-2020?
Autarch_Kade 0 points 3h ago
Definitely seen the trend today where having mental health issues is popular and something to say "me too!" about. Can't turn around without someone saying how "ADHD" of them something was, or joking about depression etc.

It's pretty smart to cash in on this trend while it's still going strong.
TheLambtonWyrm 0 points 6h ago
Seems a bit narcissistic. Good art tho
justjoshingu -3 points 10h ago
The picture of hwr almost looks Ai
Liamnotor53 -8 points 5h ago
she s so hot !👀
MuonManLaserJab -28 points 11h ago
Comic book Oscar... so basically a kid award. Not suprising that a kid got it?

EDIT: jk lol
mikey0hn0 1 points 6h ago
Good for her
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