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ELI5: Why was dysentery so common for wagon trains of the Oregon Trail? (self.explainlikeimfive)
submitted 9h ago by elheber
Isn't it caused by water contaminated by fecal matter? Wouldn't the fresh water along the trail have been pristine and untouched? Why was it seemingly more common along the journey than in cities or settlements?
FriendlyCraig 1 points 9h ago
Water in rivers, ponds, lakes, and the like are far from pristine. Animals live, die, drink, bathe, and excrete in and around them all the time. This is on top of the thousands of other settlers traveling along the same route also contaminating water sources.
elheber [OP] 1 points 9h ago
Was dysentery just as common in cities or settlements then? Or was it just the rivers along the route that were contaminated? That is to say, did cities and other human settlements have cleaner water supplies?
FriendlyCraig 1 points 8h ago
19th century sanitation was abysmal, particularly in urban centers. The majority of deaths were caused by infectious disease, often through poor water quality. Consider Chicago between 1850-1925. During this time the death rate dropped *sixty percent*, as sewers were built and water safety was implemented. The leading causes of death went from infectious diseases to complications related to aging, such heart issues and cancer.

Waterways were horrible near cities. The Cuyahoga River which feeds Cleveland was so polluted it *was literally on fire* in 1868. The Great lake such fed Chicago was literally full of a city worth of sewage. They just dumped it in. Millions of gallons a day.
FrostWyrm98 1 points 7h ago
People should really hear this statistic when they talk about dangerous chemicals in the water like chlorination. Even if there are minor side effects to it... infectious disease isn't some far off fantasy from a long gone Era. My great grandpa was born in the 1890s and I'm pretty young. And it can come back just as easily.
WrethZ 1 points 6h ago
Before sewers and sanitation, death rates could be so high in cities that they weren't at replacement rate and they had to rely on immigration from rural areas.
KeepGoing655 1 points 6h ago
So the travelers would just have taken water from these sources without boiling them because it wasn't common practice until germ theory came about towards the end of the century?
mrbear120 1 points 5h ago
No boiling water was still common, but its easy to not boil it properly when all you have is a kettle and a campfire.
Target880 1 points 8h ago
The Oregon trail usage is mostly 1849-1860. The estimated number of travelers is 296,000 for that period or on average 26,900 per year. If they are equally spread out during the whole year that is 74 people per day. In really travel will happen during the warmer months and most will start during a short period of the year, the journey takes around six months.

The estimation of the death rate because of disease is 2-4%, and the total death rate is 3-6%

So a single point along the trail likely has over 100 people passing per day, They will use wagons that animals pull to. There will be a lot of litrera shit around the trail, there is likely no organized way it was handled at all like in a place where you live for a longer period of time


The germ theory of disease is not the accepted explanation for diseases. The common explanation was particles in the air refed to "miasma"

The 1854 Broad Street cholera outbreak is well-known because the physician John Snow studied it to show that cholera was the result of germ-contaminated water. He created a map of where the 616 people that died lived and come to the conclusion that it was a water pump they used that as was the cause of that cluster.

It is not until 1861 that Louis Pasteur presents experimental evidence for germs. It took a long time before most people learned about it and started to know what it needed to prevent outbreaks. I would say for unorganized events like the Oregon Trail was people still do not do it.


So the people back then on the Oregon Trail and in other locations would not have taken the appropriate precaution because they did not know the source of the disease. One problem was that people were often buried at the site of their death. A lot of deaths is likely in appropriate location to set up camp, that is location with access to water that could be contaminated by the buried bodies.
elheber [OP] 1 points 7h ago
So was dysentery just as common in civilization as it was along the trail (3-6% death rate as you said), and pop culture and history books just don't mention it as much?
Ochib 1 points 6h ago
It was know as the “Bloody Flux” or “camp fever”. And unless you were particularly noteworthy at the time, no-one cared.
MeGotShadowbanned 1 points 6h ago
If you look into the history of the beginnings of many American cities, you'll find that dysentery is a big part of it.
mrsmoose123 1 points 3h ago
The people writing histories of city life tend to be those who are least at risk of dysentery. But it still pops up a lot in history, killing a number of leaders.
Warlords0602 1 points 31m ago
In general, yes. The difference being established villages and towns learned how to protect their clean water sources (not necessarily due to knowledge of diseases they just know it works). That being said, dysentery is still very common to the point where nobles and kings die from it. Especially when you're on a frequently used trail you just leave your waste behind so everyone after you will be traveling in waste infested dirt and consuming contaminated ground water. Not to mention people live in worse sanitary and food situation when on the road so they have an exaggerated case of being less healthy to start with and have other people's old waste stuck on their shoes and clothes for long periods of time.
SheepPup 1 points 4h ago
The Oregon trail was not just setting out alone or with a couple other people and traveling completely alone for thousands of miles till you reached the end. Long stretches of the trail like mountain passes were traversed only in small groups but there were many way-points along the way. Towns and camps for various things like mining were stopped at whenever available and may not have had great sanitation (because *nothing* had great sanitation). Portions of the trail were controlled by people that owned the land the trail was on and would charge tolls to travel along it (some of these tolls were unavoidable, but others were avoidable if you traveled less favorable and harder routes) so there was lots of opportunity for contact with other people and therefore opportunity to pick up diseases. Additionally trips were generally undertaken alongside livestock and livestock and their feces can carry a *lot* of diseases that can spread to humans when in close contact with them or their feces especially with no access to sanitation.

Dysentery is the name for the cluster of symptoms caused by a bacterial infection of the gut, what specific bacteria someone is infected with can vary a lot. Some of these bacteria are carried by cattle, some by dogs, some by wild animals. Many of these bacteria can live for extended times in soil and water contaminated with them. This is why it’s *never* advisable to drink untreated water no matter how remote the area you’re in is. You can still get diseases that will cause you to shit yourself to death even if you’re the first human to ever set foot there.
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