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U.S. district judge rejects Florida voter registration lawsuit (news.wfsu.org)
submitted 23h ago by kstinfo
Hrekires 533 points 21h ago
How evil do you need to be to make voter registration forms deliberately obtuse so that you can go back and arrest people to justify your fearmongering about voter fraud?
mces97 34 points 13h ago
I'd go one step further. Florida has a responsibility to let people know who register to vote, that they can't. Because if you register to vote, and then vote, and then are told you weren't supposed to be allowed to vote, that means Florida already knew you couldn't vote, and this is/was a honeypot.
Suspicious_Bicycle 4 points 9h ago
Yeah, registration is a state requirement so the state should be responsible for vetting eligibility.
WebbityWebbs 280 points 20h ago
This is just standard Republican evil. They hate America and they hate that Americans have the power to elect their leaders. The republicans want to be able to appoint the leaders and have elections that are just for show.
chadenright 112 points 19h ago
They don't hate America, they just feel it should be an autocratic dictatorship in which minorities are enslaved or killed, the poor should be subject to as much grinding, humiliating poverty as is feasible, education should focus on how children can serve Glorious Leader rather than focusing on science, technology, engineering and math, and healthcare should be reserved for the very wealthy.

Obviously, that's a very different America from today, but it's one they've been working very hard for a long time to achieve.
ixlnxtc7 14 points 18h ago
Spot on!
Suspicious_Bicycle 3 points 9h ago
So they want the USA to be North Korea?
chadenright 17 points 9h ago
Donald Trump explicitly applauded the setup in North Korea. He also liked the idea of throwing in Russian levels of corruption and graft, though. Sort of a choose-your-own-shithole adventure.
KennethHaight 3 points 16h ago
You mean like it was back in the beginning.
chadenright 13 points 16h ago
Yes, the one we fought TWO wars to put in the grave, one against an actual king and the other against slave owners. And which we haven't been for centuries.
GDPGDPGDPGDP 17 points 17h ago
They hate democracy
RoboNerdOK 27 points 18h ago
Well… for Republicans, it’s a double win because now the ex-felon also becomes a current felon. And will likely never get to vote ever, because, hey, they tried to cheat that one time, right?

It’s time to abolish disenfranchisement for felons. If states are going to abuse it, it needs to be taken away.
InterlocutorX 17 points 16h ago
>How evil do you need to be to make voter registration forms deliberately obtuse so that you can go back and arrest people to justify your fearmongering about voter fraud?

Basic Republican evil.
leg_day 3 points 15h ago
They don't need to arrest everyone.

Just a few high profile cases will make all former felons too afraid to even risk it.

Mission Accomplished from the so-called Big Tent party.
welestgw 1 points 2h ago
I mean, they've been doing it for years. The knowledge tests to vote come to mind.
Former-Lab-9451 283 points 18h ago
>After voters passed the 2018 constitutional amendment, the Republican-controlled Legislature and Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2019 approved a controversial law to carry out the measure. That law included requiring felons to pay “legal financial obligations,” such as restitution, fines and fees, to be eligible to have voting rights restored.

24th amendment in the constitution:

>The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

But conservative activist judges don't care about the letter of the law.
mymar101 78 points 18h ago
I think most conservatives should read that amendment.
Twilight_Realm 47 points 15h ago
They should read every amendment, but they don’t and choose not to care about law
mymar101 17 points 15h ago
They sure do seem to pick and choose what parts they like and what they don't about the constitution.
Stepwriterun777 11 points 13h ago
They do the same thing with the Bible.
mces97 13 points 13h ago
Do you remember we had a whole fucking court case surrounding the word shall, when it came to Congress asking for Trump's taxes? Like shall isn't an ambiguous word. It means you gotta do it. But here we are.
TehJohnny 5 points 13h ago
They never read past the second, while skipping the first.
new_for_confession 1 points 1h ago
Why, if its not in the Bible, its not relevant to them...

...wish i was being sarcastic, but this is an argument ive heard from GOP candidates
BrotherChe 26 points 12h ago
The keyword there is **"tax"**.

These conservative legislators knew to circumvent it with **fees**.

Same way my local government collects on our utilities when they're not legally allowed or when they want to avoid it going into the appropriately managed coffers: PILOT = Payment in lieu of taxes.

They came up with a term just to circumvent the law.
HerpToxic 1 points 2h ago
It can't be that hard to argue that this fee is a tax in other words....
Indercarnive 1 points 1h ago
Didn't the Supreme Court in the Obamacare ruling from a decade ago say that the ACA was legal because the fee it imposed was "de facto" a tax?
vegabond007 -1 points 2h ago
No vote, no taxes. Take away states ability to tax individuals the right to vote and watch them fold.
kstinfo [OP] 114 points 23h ago
On April 10, 2018, President Donald Trump nominated Winsor to serve as a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida. On May 23, 2018, a hearing on his nomination was held before the Senate Judiciary Committee. On June 14, 2018, his nomination was reported out of committee by an 11–10 vote.

On January 3, 2019, his nomination was returned to the President under Rule XXXI, Paragraph 6 of the United States Senate. On January 23, 2019, President Trump announced his intent to renominate Winsor for a federal judgeship. His nomination was sent to the Senate later that day. On February 7, 2019, his nomination was reported out of committee by a 12–10 vote. On June 18, 2019, the Senate invoked cloture on his nomination by a 54–42 vote. On June 19, 2019, he was confirmed by a 54–44 vote, with Democrat Joe Manchin voting for him.
dlec1 31 points 19h ago
When these stories are reported it seems necessary to state who these judges were appointed by since the judiciary of Leonard Leo is now a political branch. I figured it was another unqualified Trump appointee.
MoFromDE 60 points 23h ago
Effing Manchin. Another one who should get voted out ASAP.
Hrekires 73 points 21h ago
I mean... the good news is that he's almost certainly going to get voted out next year.

The bad news is that you're not going to like his replacement.
prailock 74 points 21h ago
The problem is he's in West Virginia. I'm not gonna defend Manchin but his replacement will be an open fascist.
pk10534 35 points 18h ago
This is what I don’t understand when people say stuff like this. Yeah, he’s a milquetoast democrat who votes for conservative policies on a semi-regular basis, but he’s also voted for things like the IRA and Justice Ketanji-Brown Jackson. If Justice or someone else from WV takes his seat, the percentage of voting for democratic policies might go from ~40% to 0%. He’s the best we’re gonna get from a state where every county voted for trump and I don’t understand how democrats don’t get that.
theyfoundDNAinme 6 points 12h ago
We get it. We can still despise the bought and paid for motherfucker.
Armand74 12 points 20h ago
He will be unfortunately but not by a democrat.
thatoneguy889 25 points 20h ago
Manchin is as far left as West Virginia gets. Whoever replaces him (likely current Governor Jim Justice) will not be better.
kushhaze420 22 points 18h ago
I don't understand how any governing body can take away the constitutional right to vote. There is no exception. So how can States take rights away?
mces97 11 points 13h ago
I think that question would be better posed in a conservative sub, while mentioning the "right to bear arms shall not be infringed." Because the 24th amendment is saying the same thing about voting.
BloodyChrome 2 points 12h ago
Seems that we are able to infringe on rights to bear arms under special circumstances, including felonies though.
ganymede_boy 157 points 23h ago
Yet another Trump appointed judge legislating from the bench:

Judge Allen Winsor issued a 13-page decision dismissing a lawsuit filed in April by the League of Women Voters of Florida and the NAACP.
MoFromDE 90 points 23h ago
Women/black people voting?? That just inconceivable.
BeltfedOne 24 points 22h ago
The former "Party of Lincoln" can't have that now...
oilxxx 7 points 22h ago
They don't understand what they're voting about. We'll handle it. Keep them tied with white ropes.
scummy_shower_stall 2 points 12h ago
Can't they refile it later?
jardex22 10 points 16h ago
Sounds like they should be challenging the Florida law rather than the wording on the registration form. It's literally a poll tax to get your rights reinstated.
Captain_CatDad 16 points 19h ago
Once Trump is in jail, I sure hope all of his appointees are dismissed…
mymar101 10 points 18h ago
It would be nice, but I think there has to be some sort of legal reason that a lot of people have to sign off on for a judge to be dismissed.
d1rtyd33d 21 points 18h ago
You must be a very optimistic person. I believe nothing will happen to Trump.
007meow 5 points 14h ago
That won't happen.

There's no mechanism for that to happen, just like there isn't some magical mechanism where election fraud means the loser of an election automatically wins.
JubalHarshaw23 39 points 23h ago
Incompetent, and Corrupt Trump judge protects Incompetent, and Corrupt Florida Republicans.
8-bit-Felix 8 points 17h ago
Look kids, it's fascism!
AndreLinoge55 2 points 9h ago
DeSantis Pokemoning Ls
sid-darth 2 points 9h ago
Trump appointed cocksucker, I mean judge.
billpalto -7 points 18h ago
The Judge is right, the problem isn't the form itself. What needs to change is the practice of arresting more minorities than whites, sending more to prison, and then making it harder for those convicted to vote.
_synik -66 points 22h ago
Pretty simple decision to make. “The restoration of rights remains the eligibility requirement for felons,” Winsor wrote. “And that requirement, as plaintiffs acknowledge, is included on the form they challenge. That is enough to doom plaintiffs’ challenge.”

When the plaintiffs agree that their argument is answered in the reason they are suing, they shouldn't win.
Former-Lab-9451 17 points 18h ago
Conservative activist judges love to ignore the constitution:

>The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
code_archeologist 75 points 22h ago
Except the Florida state constitution was changed by voter referendum and the exception on the form was added after the fact and goes against the spirit and letter of that constitutional amendment.

And the form being signed is a requirement for release/parole from prison... Therefore the state is coercing the signer to waive their rights under the state's constitution.

One cannot be forced or coerced legally into giving up a right or protection by the state.
AnastasiaDelicious 3 points 13h ago
In April 2007 the Clemency Board issued revised Rules of Executive Clemency that automatically restore civil rights to most felons upon release from prison and no longer requires most ex-felons to file any application for the restoration of civil rights.

Are they not doing this anymore? I mean, this is too easy and we know how some certain parties 🫢 republicans 🫢want nothing more than to keep as many voters from voting…
_synik -53 points 21h ago
Nowhere does it state anyone is waiving a right.
The form cannot be expected to list every possible rule related to the new law. Learning whether a Felon is now eligible to vote should be the responsibility of the Felon prior to registering.
Omryn814 25 points 18h ago
> Learning whether a Felon is now eligible to vote should be the responsibility of the Felon prior to registering.

Then Florida should probably tell their employees not to tell felons they are good to register only for DeSantis to dispatch jackboots to arrest them for doing what they were told they could do.
RichardTheLarge -5 points 6h ago
You do realise most countries in the civilised world have strict voter registration laws, demand you produce IDs, fill out forms for voting somewhere that isn't the one designated voting station based on your address and have denounced mail-in right? You do realise your country is not exactly first world these days right?
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