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Drought and extreme heat burn through farmers' margin for error — and it's only July (nbcnews.com)
submitted 9h ago by apple_kicks
geekondoor 364 points 9h ago
Why I have a bad feeling
ishitar 401 points 5h ago
What? Multiple breadbaskets around the world failing at the same time? That a bad feeling?

I know, sure the oil industry echo chamber was wrong about more atmospheric CO2 unequivocally being good for crops, but we can eat those records profits, right? Right?
McCree114 157 points 3h ago
They can use those record profits to buy up what's left of the food for themselves and their immediate families. Problem solved.
aCucking2Remember 1 points 25m ago
That’s fine but it doesn’t prevent you from being eaten
buttorsomething 72 points 3h ago
If only there was some recent event that cause a massive drop in CO2 emission that could be pointed to in the last let’s say 3-5 years. Something like have massive amounts of people being home and not driving to work every day. But I can’t think of anything like that that has happened recently at all /s
jyanjyanjyan 14 points 1h ago
Didn't people not driving only get us something like an 8% reduction in CO2?
buttorsomething 1 points 1h ago
Yep. A drop in the bucket compared to what corps cause. But the idiots that don’t believe stuff like this only pay attention to data they lived through.
doctorkanefsky 61 points 3h ago
CO2 is one of the least important factors for plant growth. The defining features are water, nitrogen, and phosphorous availability. Not enough water means the stomata have to close, so no co2 can get into the leaves for carbon fixation. Not enough nitrate or phosphate means the plant cannot create proteins or DNA for replication and growth.
janethefish 16 points 3h ago
Plants need water to fix CO2 AND need water to drive nutrient uptake.
buttorsomething 25 points 3h ago
Oh 100% but the stupids only hear the CO2 parts. So it’s best to focus there first.
Chronic_In_somnia 29 points 2h ago
It’s a shame cryptocurrency basically undid any gains that work from home made over covid.
BlankTigre 7 points 2h ago
A drop in emissions yes but still plenty of emissions. And with how long CO2 stays in the atmosphere we had more CO2 after the pandemic than prior to.
buttorsomething 1 points 55m ago
Yep. Data will show all the deniers that they lived through an event that showed a drop in these gasses. Because unless they lived and experienced it first hand it’s fake to them. Unless it’s the Bible of course.
FallenKnightGX 28 points 2h ago
While everyone is rightfully mentioning climate change, the immediate economic impact from this may mean a sharp rise in food prices if enough crops fail. Couple that with other issues right now (inflation in general, overpriced cars / homes / apartments, and student loans starting back up) you're beginning to see all the ingredients needed for a bad recession.
cipher-taker 1 points 40m ago
or a famine.

Eventually not handling this will mean deaths, not just loss of $$$
clyde2003 1 points 6m ago
The 2011 Arab Spring happened partly because of food shortages and rising costs.

I mean, also the dictators and junk, but yeah...
gaymedes 10 points 1h ago
That funny feeling 🎶
AnyProgressIsGood 71 points 3h ago
because its been written on the walls clear as day since at least the late 90s. And easy to argue decades earlier.

Humies really wait till last minute to begin to care about stuff. Its down right maddening.


Anyway off to idle my F350 in the driveway. Also gotta run my gas blower/mower/trimmer every 5 days regardless of lawn growth. Just let the lawn grow a bit more, give up on blowing your dumb driveway off. Edging is unnecessary just stop all frivolous unnecessary pollution.


To be fair companies are the biggest offenders by A LOT, but seeing every day people not caring is more readily visible.
255001434 38 points 2h ago
Scientists knew it was coming *decades* earlier than that, and it was even part of the popular consciousness too, but the fossil fuel industry has been fighting against that knowledge the entire time. Cooperative media, corrupt politicians and even religious zealots have helped them obscure the facts and muddy the waters about the issue.

I grew up hearing about human-caused global warming in the *1970s*. There was a great dystopian sci-fi movie that had climate change as one of its main plot drivers called Soylent Green. It came out in 1973 and had big stars in it. Ordinary people were worried about it even back then.

It shows how successful the interests that stood to benefit from ignoring the problem have been. Even now, when it can no longer be ignored, we are still arguing about it. Before, they said it wouldn't happen. Now they say, even if it is happening, it wasn't caused by us.
Dave-4544 10 points 2h ago
I've taken to using a "mowing rotation" of sorts for my yard. I only mow down the front/sides or the back, never both at once. It preserves the clovers, dandies, strabebbs, and wild daisies for the bugs and such. That way they always have a spot to get what they need. It's such a simple act but it really seems to have made a difference in the amount of pollinators I see around my house.
fletcherkildren 1 points 45m ago
Been doing the same and noticed an uptick of fireflies in my yard too
Calm_Excitement_69 20 points 3h ago
Leaf blowers are the worst. Like dude, they just blow it around. The fucking wind will undo it.

Why the hell are they not leaf suckers?
beamish007 17 points 2h ago
No piece of lawn equipment says "not my problem anymore" better than a leaf blower. I got an electric one to blow stuff around.
redbananass 15 points 3h ago
There actually are leaf suckers. Some blowers can do both. They don’t work super well, but they do work.
Alwayswithyoumypet 9 points 2h ago
I work a side hustle gardening for this elderly lady and the amount of bug spray (multiple types) and animal deterrent she makes me use is sickening. But who cares right? Her garden is pristine. /s
fuckit_sowhat 1 points 40m ago
I can’t stand people that try to prevent wildlife being in the wild. Like sure, you don’t want ants in your house? Spray for that. But to spray to keep mosquitoes, ants, bunnies, whatever else out of your yard? Learn to live within an ecosystem, jesus christ
brzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1 points 28m ago
Usually around this time of year I overhear some suburban retiree at the home improvement store asking "what kills skunks" etc. Like, I plan on contemplating nature when I retire not going to war with it.
sanslumiere 1 points 11m ago
I live in a suburb that literally backs up to the woods and it's amazing the amount of people who apply pesticides to their lawns. I fully get spraying so they stay out of your house, but what are you accomplishing with your uniformly green lawn that is toxic to all other life? That it looks nice? I just don't get it.
Snuffy1717 7 points 2h ago
If you're not rolling coal, are you really even helping bro?
Zigludo-sama 3 points 1h ago
“There it is again, that funny feeling…”
Bobinct 88 points 3h ago
These farmers will still vote for climate change deniers.
ThinkThankThonk 1 points 32m ago
*fund climate change deniers

If you look up some of these farmers quoted in the article, they are very well off and influential people
aCucking2Remember 1 points 23m ago
They are heavily subsidized by the federal government. Always have been. We pay money for them to take food *off* the market to keep prices at target.

Take away their gd subsidies I bet they’d be changing their tune.
Krizz-T0ff 200 points 5h ago
Mmm I wonder if any of these areas are the same ones that threaten weather men and women for mentioning climate change as a Biden conspiracy. If you look on weather maps youl see that areas in the far north level with Greenland are 12c now at night and got to 20c yesturday and have held this temp for over a week. The Ave is high of 5C and low of -5 for the summer period. So maybe these idiots who deny there is a problem need some tough love. Subsidising their groceries is not the answer.
captHij 60 points 2h ago
Don't forget they also eschew government support (i.e. "socialism") while begging for more agricultural subsidies. Maybe we should send them a few pallets of bootstraps?
Krizz-T0ff 1 points 30m ago
lol. Trying to explain to a conservative that socialism does not mean communism and that thier whole political grant support scheme is in fact a socialist core idea.
Correct_Millennial 42 points 4h ago
Name and shame deniers. They are traitors to humanity and should be treated as such.

The positive feedback loops have begun
Krizz-T0ff 33 points 3h ago
Name and shame? Almost every republican.
fletcherkildren 1 points 37m ago
Do it
dolleauty 273 points 9h ago
Consumers being insulated (in terms of prices) from the effects might not be great in the long run

Regular people need to see the signals that it's bad
lastprophecy 146 points 8h ago
You might be underestimating the power of denial and the need to be right, even if it'll cost you your life.
cedped 62 points 7h ago
It's the natural cycle of humanity. One generation fights a war for their rights, the next generation gets to enjoy their newfound rights and the peace following the war, and the next generation grows complacent letting things deteriorate until the new war starts.
Delicious_Laugh_1417 24 points 5h ago
Grandparents lived through:

The dust bowl

The great depression

Two world wars

New kids are getting I survived:

The pandemic

Climate change

And AI
Ghostofthe80s 16 points 2h ago
The economy 'headed towards a recession' has less buying power than the Great Depression
heaviestmatter- 1 points 3h ago
Are you arguing they had it worse?
Commercial_Yak7468 -9 points 4h ago
It is like the old say:

Hard times makes strong men,
Strong men make good times,
Good times makes weak men,
Weak men make hard times
animatedrouge2 26 points 4h ago
If by old saying, you mean something written in 2016, then you’re correct
rlbond86 24 points 3h ago
It's a fucking dumb saying though. Go to Russia where they have had hard times for over 300 years. Or anywhere the West colonized.
doctorkanefsky 16 points 3h ago
There really isn’t a whole lot of evidence to support that statement. Hard times create weak, stupid, hyper aggressive men, because malnutrition and heavy metal or drug exposures in childhood inhibit development. Russia is the perfect example of a society with perennial hard times, but all they have to show for it is incredibly high rates of domestic abuse and alcoholism. Compare Russian Americans to Russians living in russia, and you will see that those of us who escaped are strong and successful, while those who did not are drowning in a sea of booze and violence.
Zeravor 8 points 3h ago
This quote is a gross simplification and frankly more wrong than right.
coldcutcumbo 9 points 3h ago
Such a weird saying. Idk where it comes from, but whoever first said it slept through their history classes.
Blue_Swirling_Bunny 3 points 3h ago
Not sure how that's relevant in this context.
Ritz527 11 points 3h ago
I suspect this would result in people blaming their politicians, whether they're in favor of sustainability or not, and end with dangerous, populist nonsense. My conservative family was spamming shit about how expensive eggs are and blaming Democrats, not avian flu or price-gouging. There is no motivation to actually source the problem, even when the problem is apparent.
AnyProgressIsGood 17 points 3h ago
seeing how people treated a literal plague. I'm not so sure people will see or understand what you want them too. Lots of dumbfucks out here
Lamont-Cranston 29 points 6h ago
these are the same people who oppose public healthcare that would help them because they are concerned it could also help minorities
TeaTimeIsAllTheTime 4 points 2h ago
They may not be insulated by the rise in meat prices, 90% of the grain grown across the world is used to feed animals, not people
Lallo-the-Long 5 points 2h ago
They're just going to blame it on Biden, who obviously is in control of global weather and climate patterns. Duh.
SoPoOneO 1 points 56m ago
To my understanding, a great portion of *farmers themselves* in The United States deny human caused global warming.
LonelyPainting7374 1 points 4h ago
Deniers, this is your final wake up call.
Malaix 1 points 8m ago
They would just blame Joe Biden for prices and elect a Republican who will make shit worse. People don't want complicated answers. They want to believe in this model.
siwelnerak1979 37 points 2h ago
Man I’m so glad global warming isn’t real, just think how much worse it would get…s/
aShittierShitTier4u 53 points 5h ago
If it's not drought it's flooding. Or pestilence, or plague, or war. No wonder farmers always seem miserable.
Commercial_Yak7468 92 points 4h ago
However also farmers

"Climate change is a bunch of hoopla, I am gonna keep voting for Republicans cause they don't like woke city folk too"
MissionComfortable47 38 points 4h ago
Idk, I have worked and lived in a rural area ally life, every farmer I know has a damn multimillion dollar house and 4 top of the line pickup trucks, so I don't feel to sorry for them.
thinkingahead 18 points 3h ago
Capitalism favors those who own the means of production. This is hardly a surprise
Chippopotanuse 1 points 57m ago
PPP loan fraud and government farm subsidies funded by urban taxpayers are a hell of a drug.
aShittierShitTier4u 10 points 4h ago
You can understand that I am being sarcastic, reading the crop reports, they always make it sound dire, because they can hopefully get a better price if buyers are worried about getting enough produce. Not saying that a flooded field, with a crop dying, is something to not be miserable over. I feel like those well off farmers have a role that we subsidize because we know that they are taking on risks with their farm and our food supply at stake.
coldcutcumbo 7 points 3h ago
We pay farmers not to grow food to artificially increase food prices.
ToxicAdamm 18 points 2h ago
No, it's so they don't deplete the soil.

Do they not teach about the Dust Bowl in school anymore?
fappywapple 6 points 2h ago
Well they get multimillion dollar government farming subsidy checks every year. But it not welfare cuz they’re farmers not minorities and so it different
MrJoyless 30 points 5h ago
>No wonder farmers always seem miserable.

Most of them are red state Republicans, so that scans.
Chippopotanuse 1 points 57m ago
Seems like God is punishing the farmers for voting for republicans.
coldcutcumbo 5 points 3h ago
It’s a show, they’re raking in subsidies.
Sethmeisterg 87 points 4h ago
Keep voting for idiots that deny climate change. See how that works out for ya.
SomeBaldDude2013 1 points 53m ago
Some of them are now saying it’s actually a good thing! (Google Ron Johnson’s recent comments).
Tchas00 -60 points 2h ago
Biden has the hottest year on record. Republicans are the ones making the real change.
THE_TYRONEOSAURUS 36 points 1h ago
Yeah everyone knows Biden personally turned off the AC when he got into office, that’s why it’s so hot. Decades of rampant unchecked capitalism DEFINITELY had nothing to do with it.
SWG_138 21 points 1h ago
Do you think Biden controls the weather

Wait, if you're a maga chud you probably do. Is it the Jewish space lasers at it again?
ensalys 9 points 1h ago
If you think that's a good reason to think that conservatives are better on this topic, you really need some classes on climate (change).
IrrawaddyWoman 9 points 1h ago
Like what? Serious question here. What specifically do you think republicans have done to help the climate change issue?
Tchas00 1 points 28m ago
Many things! Too many to count.
IrrawaddyWoman 1 points 22m ago
I didn’t ask you to count them. I asked you to list some very specific things. You seem unable to do that. Probably because it’s not true.

Republicans are absolutely famous for dismantling environmental protections in order to make things easier for corporations. The big guys do it for donation money but the average Joe seems to believe the narrative that anything that’s good for business is good for the economy.

However we’re starting to see the long term damage of that short term policy. So again, what are some things that Republicans specifically have done to protect the environment?
skrilledcheese 1 points 20m ago
So... hypothetically, it would be super duper easy for you to name a few recent examples then.
Earth_Friendly-5892 41 points 2h ago
We are going to have serous food shortages and our food prices will continue to go up if we don’t start dealing with climate change. Vote BLUE if you are concerned because only democrat lawmakers will take on the fossil fuel industry in favor of clean energy.
IPA4all 2 points 2h ago
I mostly agree with you but I haven’t yet seen democrats move the needle in any truly meaningful way. There has been a lot of talk and a lot of proposals but no truly impactful policy changes that will result in measurable change any time soon. I would like to see this problem addressed, but I don’t think either political party has the will to make it happen.
TrooperJohn 13 points 1h ago
Democrats haven't had real control of the government since the early Obama years, and they squandered that on watering down what could have been significant health-care reform due to a gripping fear of offending Republicans. (And it worked out so well for them.)

For Democrats to actually accomplish anything, they need the presidency AND a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, enough to make the Manchins and Sinemas irrelevant. That's a very, very tough row to hoe.
Chippopotanuse 1 points 56m ago
Have you liked at how each party votes on the issues that would “move the needle”?

Get back to me once you do.

Both sides aren’t the same.
Asconce 17 points 1h ago
Dems being blamed for Republicans’ ratfuckery yet again
SomeBaldDude2013 1 points 52m ago
The IRA wasn’t big?
PuraVida3 20 points 4h ago
They are government subsidized. They’ll be fine. The consumer will suffer.
Head-Kiwi-9601 53 points 3h ago
We have a planet that evolution spent a 4 billion years preparing so that it would be the perfect place for us to thrive.

In the past 100 years we fucked the whole thing up because some people are wired not to give a shit about anything but themselves, and it turns out that those people end up with money and power.

Somehow folks thing that we can have a functional society on a hostile rock named Mars, even though we couldn’t figure out how to make things work on Earth.

It’s delusional. Spend every cent trying to fix Earth, not Mars.
aTempes7 1 points 43m ago
Earth has been through a lot of worse shit than this, and it will survive and recover by itself. We as species, on the other hand, will not survive for long.

As far as I understood, we are currently suffering the consequences of our actions from 20-40 years ago, we don't feel yet the impact of the shit we've done in the past years. When THAT will hit, well.. all I can say is that I am happy I've decided not to have kids
Wisdom_Of_A_Man 13 points 3h ago
I’m stocking up on lentils and beans now.
TheBroWhoLifts 6 points 2h ago
Make sure you actually cook with them. I have a few go-to recipes that are really good: lentil taco "meat" (it's awesome, and I use the "broth" that's left from making homemade refried beans in the Crockpot Express), and white bean soups, a chicken and white bean stew with sausage and mushrooms that's really good...
jenglasser 6 points 1h ago
You can't just tell us that and not include recipes.
IrrawaddyWoman 1 points 1h ago
I make a massive pot of chili with dried lentils that’s really good. Would use up some of those beans too.
recklessly_wandering 6 points 1h ago
Who could have predicted this? Good thing all the people in charge are arguing who has the best sky god and what genitals are in everyones pants /s
coren77 1 points 8m ago
In fairness, rich assholes that make money are controlling the entire GOP via social media to argue that shit. The sane half are worried about climate change!
The_Hoff901 13 points 3h ago
My veggie garden is already fucked for the year. Only things hanging on are some of my peppers and if I miss a watering day they nearly dry up and blow away.
DrippingWithRabies 8 points 2h ago
All of my squash and zucchini died in June from heat stress. My tomatoes are suffering now. The peppers are barely hanging in there.
lentilpasta 4 points 2h ago
It’s gonna be a spicy pepper year, that’s for sure!
morbidbutwhoisnt 1 points 41m ago
Lol, all I know is these supposed scientists were saying this was going to happen for years and now that it's happening they just keep pointing and saying "look these are the things we were warning you about" but to me it all seems kind of like a lot of things are happening at one time so I think this is just a coincidence and it's one of those "a broke clock is right twice a day" things and there's absolutely nothing we can or should do to help any of the climate related disasters that we are seeing.

(/S)
grundlefuck 1 points 15m ago
Might be time for vertical farming to get a bump, good use for all that unused office space.
greenmtnfiddler 6 points 3h ago
<goes to store>
<buys 50 lb. bag each of rice/beans, also plastic tub>
daxxarg 9 points 1h ago
You reap what you sow (quite literally) by voting climate denial politicians

Hey, at least they owned the Libs and commies!
vhutever 1 points 46m ago
Politicians do not cause climate change. Humans do.
twiceiknow 1 points 42m ago
Politicians who vote against solutions to fix those climate issues do.
myotherjobisreddit 5 points 6h ago
University of Illinois seems to always chap my ass with something!
jbreeze42 6 points 2h ago
July is the new August. Seasons are slowly evolving.
ranger-steven 1 points 29m ago
Not slowly though.
DrippingWithRabies 7 points 3h ago
The Food Wars are coming.
gemfountain 13 points 3h ago
The water wars are already starting.
FuhrerGirthWorm 6 points 2h ago
The resource wars are upon us men!
DrippingWithRabies 8 points 3h ago
Yeah, I lived in SW Colorado for 3 years and did a bit of environmental science while there. The area was in a years long mega-drought. Pretty dire all around.
YNot1989 5 points 2h ago
And they're working with less fertilizer than they had access to in previous years. Russia accounted for around a quarter of the global NPK fertilizer supply.

China, which pre-war was buying just an insane amount of fertilizer from Russia while also being a major exporter of phosphate fertilizer, has all but shut down exports of fertilizer to make up for the shortfall. Still, they're already admitting to some troubling crop yield estimates for this year.

Gonna be a bad year for the developing world.
DorothyParkerFan 5 points 3h ago
And people still think GMOs are a bad thing.
Dreadmonkey 3 points 1h ago
So asking only for myself: what can I do to do my part as a poor American human being to help curb global warming?
morbidbutwhoisnt 1 points 39m ago
Even if they don't give you everything you want vote for the local, state, and federal politicians that will do the best for climate legislation.

For example this last time it was Biden. People wanted to hem and haw that he wasn't going to be the most progressive president in US history but the other option was Trump.

Next time whoever the democrats serve up is 99.999% going to be a better bet than the other team. Where you can make a difference is primaries and then the elections themselves
ranger-steven 1 points 24m ago
About all you can do is vote for people who care about the climate and encourage your immediate friends and family to do the same. Give them the knowledge to make the right choices.
avitony 3 points 4h ago
How much will lettuce cost then?
okeleydokelyneighbor 15 points 3h ago
Avacados are 80 buck a case for a friend who owns a deli. He won’t buy them, they were 40 a case 2 weeks ago.

Orange crops were historically bad, expect that to go way up again as well.

We need to start investing in more vertical farming. Smaller local farms, not giant swaths of country side.
HardlyDecent -5 points 3h ago
The price of some seeds, a 4x4 (or smaller!) plot of dirt, and some shade. Time to grow your own if you can.
DrippingWithRabies 11 points 2h ago
Until is 110 degrees outside and all of your plants wither and die from heat stress 😩
nowxorxnever 2 points 1h ago
It’s 116 degrees this week in the southwest 😬
ToxicAdamm -11 points 2h ago
Just people priming the pump for subsidies. Which is fine, it's a good use of public money.
RichardTheLarge -64 points 6h ago
Its only the hottest month of the year
Ryzel0o0o 24 points 6h ago
Eh, early to mid August has at times been hotter than July.
RichardTheLarge -56 points 6h ago
Fair enough. I just find bait titles funny. Gotta spell out the propaganda a bit for the literary challenged
SacrificialPwn 12 points 6h ago
https://www.almanac.com/when-hottest-day-year
RichardTheLarge -48 points 5h ago
Its only the hottest month of the year\*

\*may not apply to all US regions.

Im not giving nbc a click to find out which ones this is about lol
Dzotshen 1 points 29m ago
Too bad the very people rural conservatives vote for think climate change/reassignment is a hoax and green energy is an evil agenda from da libs
aCucking2Remember 1 points 9m ago
Food supply chains are going to get wrecked. We use the Mississippi as a major artery to export a big percentage of food products like grain. Grain and corn are used to feed chickens and and farm animals. If they don’t have food or it becomes too expensive, we will have less meat on the market. Also if the world market loses a big percentage of food, prices will increase. We’re talking millions of people just in our own country who would be hungry and apparently armed. And the Mississippi was very low at the end of last summer.

You’re never further than 3 meals away from anarchy.
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