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Americano with less water! (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by lacimarie2012
I just had someone order an americano, no cream, and then say less water though. I'm like "I'm sorry, what do you mean by less water?" And she goes "they always put water in it I dont like that" and I said "that's how its made, did you want iced coffee?" "No I want an americano I want espresso" I say "an americano is espresso and water..." she responds with "well can you just put less water in it" so I ended up just giving her an extra shot to take some space 🙄 why do people order drinks that they dont even understand

**EDIT: I see a lot of people commenting about people not wanting to elaborate during rushes which I totally get! But for some context, I work at a We Proudly Serve in a car dealership. The most of a line I get is like 3 people, usually dealership employees. So there's very very rarely a rush. She also got on the phone as I was trying to ask her questions to figure out exactly what she wanted, so that's why I gave up and gave her an extra shot lol
spicepeaches 86 points 3y ago
my store is always FLOODED with annoying customers so whenever someone asks for something like this i straight up hand them their seemingly not full drink and when they question this i explain that since they didnt want it made right thATs tHe WAY iT iS! and if theyre especially rude i point out that if they wanted an extra shot its 90 cents thank you! or if they want their iced caramel macchiato with no ice shits gonna be empty or taste entirely like milk its up to you! im DONE
EpicJimJim 65 points 3y ago
When I used to work for the company and someone would order this I’d make it with long shots so that they don’t see the water getting poured into it. It worked every timeeeee
NOTcreative- 20 points 3y ago
Baristas should tell them about long shots since it might have been exactly what they were looking for but have never heard of such a thing. That way they can get it the way your order it at every store they go to and don’t have to use the phrase “well at my Starbucks they know how to make my drink the way I like it, why don’t you?” At an innocent barista. This is actually a solution/modifier I hadn’t considered! Will remember for future customers thanks!
ResidentialSaltbox 40 points 3y ago
I had something like that happen to me the other day. Lady orders an iced americano with caramel and extra heavy cream yeah no problem.

As she’s pulling up to the window, I’m putting the water in and I hand it off to DTW. After she drives away he tells me that “oh I guess she didn’t want water in it” I was baffled. He was like she took it but she told me she didn’t want water in it. There’s no way the ticket said no water because I would have immediately questioned an “iced americano, no water”.

I couldn’t stop thinking about it all day haha like uhm just order shots over ice?
ladygnarmalade 30 points 3y ago
if she wanted extra heavy cream no water she was probably trying to get a latte for cheaper
NOTcreative- 35 points 3y ago
Story time. Had a partner who worked for me tell me about a customer the prior day who was trying to take advantage of the system. She ordered iced espresso with extra milk, and then wanted extra, they got annoyed and told her she was taking advantage of the system. They told me as a warning and I was the supervisor on duty.

As the supervisor I was horrified but hid it from him. Couple hours go by and they tell me she just walked in (they were on front). I said okay and took over for him while she was online. She came to me and said “hi, I would like to know how to order my drink because yesterday I was accused of cheating the system and that really upset me. I just don’t know what to call it, I don’t care about the extra dollar or two.”

I told her I was so sorry for that experience to for her to describe to me what she would like. I said “oh okay no problem I totally understand, the way it works is we are allowed to add a maximum of 4oz of milk to not charge and that would be extra. You’re looking for it to be filled, that would be a latte which is shots of espresso, lots of milk, and topped with ice rather than a little milk and lots of ice. Let me take care of this one for you”. I right now recovered it and she was super grateful for the explanation.

The fact is most people who come into Starbucks can afford the extra dollar or two. They just don’t know because baristas would rather be annoyed than to explain. They assume the worst in them that they’re trying to “cheat the system” when the reality is they are just ignorant of it. This is why it’s part of the training and job to assume the best in others. If you want to be cynical about customers and people in general, uneducated is much more common than insidious. That particular customers experience was completely changed, she became a regular and developed a good relationship with all the baristas. The barista who handled her the day before saw the interaction and I talked to them about assuming the best in others and why it’s important. He saw before his eyes how both of them could have had a much better experience where the day before they both ended up annoyed, angry, or embarrassed/ashamed after the interaction.

Not to say there are not those people. There for sure are. Just a lot less than the baristas assume. Stop assuming that and those that are taking advantage you will find are far and few between and they’ll bug you a lot less and you’ll have a better shift for it.
RadHint 2 points 3y ago
You’re not gonna a lot of upvotes but you deserve it.
NOTcreative- 3 points 3y ago
I often get lots of downvotes, a few upvotes is nice but just trying to be a voice of reason in the community. It’s a thankless job but if I can help one or two people it’s worth it. I believe in our mission and values and live them in and out of work.
ResidentialSaltbox 11 points 3y ago
I mean probably but she didn’t even order it with no water. She just made a face and was snippy with my DTW about me putting water in an americano haha
NOTcreative- 1 points 3y ago
She was naive not malicious and no one took the time to explain to her what she was ordering vs what she wanted, instead she just got a lot of annoyed barista reactions. When the barista is acting annoyed she would naturally get snippy back. People reflect what we project. It’s all perception.
ResidentialSaltbox 2 points 3y ago
He wasn’t snippy at her though I clearly heard him say in a nice tone “americanos come with water but we can remake it without” and she just responded with “I’m in a rush so I can’t wait for that” and drove off. Like Im always nice to customers and have great service always and I would have been more than happy to make it right and remake it for her but like 🙃
drinkliquidclocks 31 points 3y ago
I would've just gave them a half full cup 🤷
muddafugginhawt 28 points 3y ago
My guess is that she wanted her americano to be stronger, but still an americano; hence adding less water. I don’t work at Starbucks anymore but someone at the coffee shop I work at orders an americano just 2/3 full because they like their drink stronger.
olivegarden696 6 points 3y ago
It’s my order and thats exactly it- americano, just a bit less water so the cup isnt full. Same espresso, less water
hellokitty1939 5 points 3y ago
Seems pretty simple to me.
lacimarie2012 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I was worried that if I didn't fill the cup she'd complain about it not being full lol
NOTcreative- 22 points 3y ago
Starbucks is overwhelming with options. Most typical coffee drinkers before their first time coming to Starbucks have no idea everything we have to offer. Our menu has foreign words to them and offer no description (descriptions like the ones we get on our first day of training). Our menu doesn’t even have close to all we offer including options and customizations. Many people find one thing and stick with it, ordering the same day after day. Not because they know it’s their favorite but because it’s easy. They walk into a busy store. Wait in line, staring at the menu with all these foreign words. They get to the front and see something like americano (American coffee) and order that not fully knowing it’s espresso and water, or even what espresso means compared to the coffee they brew at home. They order it because there’s a line behind them and they see baristas running about busy and don’t want to inconvenience customers or partners and don’t want to feel like an inconvenience. They shuffle away waiting for their order and when they pick it up it’s not exactly what they were looking for but rather than bother any of the busy people they accept it and move on.

Your typical Starbucks customer is not a coffee aficionado, those people are going to niche cafes. Starbucks is trying to bring it to the common person. We get the hours of training and learning in the job and still learn new things 1, 2, or 3 years down the road. It is our job to instill our knowledge on them and help them find exactly what they’re looking for. Explaining the difference between espresso and brewed coffee, they won’t ask for help because they’re intimidated by the overwhelming atmosphere and they don’t want to appear dumb.

We need to sense that and help them (anticipating the customers needs and making the moment right), not judge them. That’s not a culture of warmth and belonging. This particular customer was looking for a stronger flavor to their typical americano, so light water is a reasonable request I have regulars who know what they like and they like a grande americano 2/3 full. I might offer them a triple tall, or maybe they just want the extra space. If they want even less water ask if they want to try a triple espresso with a splash of water to cut it. Give them a couple samples, they will feel special and acknowledged, not judged and condescended. We will feel proud and accomplished, not annoyed by the stupid customer cause how dare they not know the menu in and out as we do. Everyone’s experience is elevated.

Before people go on about labor not allowing this, it absolutely does as I’ve done it at multiple stores in multiple roles and my partners do it. You will become their favorite barista and develop a special relationship as you were the first barista to help them discover their favorite drink and were so kind, patient, understanding, and knowledgeable.
lacimarie2012 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
To be fair, I work at a we proudly serve in a car dealership. I rarely ever have lines. There is no intimidating atmosphere where I am, and as I'm trying to explain what the americano is to her and figure out what she wants, she takes a phone call. So that's why I ended up just giving her the extra shot and sending her off lol. Normally I do take the time to figure out exactly what someone is trying to order, especially since there's no rush there. But this lady literally had no clue what she was trying to order and then proceeded to get on the phone while I was trying to figure it out lol
NOTcreative- 1 points 3y ago
Oh yeah I bet that’s a whole different clientele and everything! Totally fair!
sandycat555 11 points 3y ago
We have someone who orders Americanos with half the water. It’s his fav.
babybennie 10 points 3y ago
tbt to a customer a few weeks ago that asked for a no water, no milk chai.... we went back and forth for a while before I ended up just giving her a tall cup of steamed chai concentrate. I’ve never been more weirded out by a human in my entire life.
Theseekersix 10 points 3y ago
Someone was confused about the cranberry bliss bar and wanted it warm. I was like honey noooooo.
Karilopa 6 points 3y ago
Someone at my store tapped me on the shoulder and asked where to find the Cranberry Bliss Bar button on the oven. Nononononono!!!
datanut 6 points 3y ago
How timely of a post. That’s exactly what I like to order but it often seems to cause confusion!

Can you offer me any advice?

I’ve taken to ordering a “Doppio with a bit of water”. This seems to limit the risk of “too much water” to the volume of an 8 oz cup but I often get crazy responses like “sooo... you want an americano?”

I’ve also tried “a two short americano in a short cup” with varying degrees of success.
Alohomora420 9 points 3y ago
I’d say asking for room would be a good idea! That way you’re saying you want less water without making you sound like you don’t know what you’re talking about
daniboy145 3 points 3y ago
I think the best way to order it would be how some Customers order a certain drink in a size, in a different cup. I.e. “Grande Americano in a Venti cup.” With room would make sure they don’t fill the entire cup with water!
LemonRoyalSun 6 points 3y ago
I have guests who try to scam and order the holiday drinks but they say "a venti latte with 4 pumps of caramel brulee" as if I'm not going to charge them for a holiday drink.
frickin_goblin_ 8 points 3y ago
That's valid tho... if they don't want whip or topping I'm not gonna charge them for it
LemonRoyalSun 3 points 3y ago
I forgot to add the 3 pumps of vanilla and soymilk, whip and topping
LemonRoyalSun 4 points 3y ago
They're scammers. They do it all the time. Like their other favorite is a trenta SAR no water, no ice, no berries and a trenta coconut milk no ice. They know exactly what they are doing.
NOTcreative- -2 points 3y ago
Ordering it this way would actually be more expensive. You actually see this order frequently amongst different customers or did you just make this order up on the fly to prove a point about how awful every other human on the other side of the counter is?
NOTcreative- 3 points 3y ago
Adding vanilla and soy would make the drink more expensive than made to standard. It adds a charge for soy, vanilla, and topping.
LemonRoyalSun 4 points 3y ago
This is one specific guest and her daughter. We charge for the alt milk but we don't have a syrup or topping button to add on. The rest of the team only charges for a soy latte. I charge for a caramel brulee soy. We are a license store so our mod buttons are different (I assume)
bitchenbekah 5 points 3y ago
I once had someone ask for an americano but filled half way, so when handing it to him he goes” there’s more caffeine in this like this right?” And I shook my head no and he almost yelled at me. Like do you know what you’re ordering?!
xEman26x 5 points 3y ago
Shoulda just did light water. During rushes I have no time to elaborate something they should know if they get it often. I remember getting a no foam cappuccino and the bar person was confused and I shrugged and said just make a no foam latte
Assiqtaq 3 points 3y ago
"I want an Americano. But can you put less water in it?" Is actually not all that uncommon. When I get this request I will generally ask if they then want it in a smaller cup, or do they want room. If they want neither, I generally just figure that they are either trying for a free extra shot, or are just really dumb. They just want to get what they want without trying to understand what is going on. But in the long run it isn't worth YOUR time to mess with them too much. Make the drink as best you can, fix it if they complain, move along with your life.
Theotar 2 points 3y ago
My favorite is a iced americano with no shots.
lacimarie2012 [OP] 3 points 3y ago
So, water? 😂
universalnature 2 points 3y ago
I made this joke constantly at work when I wasn't bringing in my own cups. First thing I'd order before shift was a venti iced americano no espresso. Once ordered it at another store, and unbeknownst to me they had a green bean planted there on his first day of register. He sat trying to ring it in for 3 minutes or so before I realized he wasn't just going along with the joke. 😅
Theotar 2 points 3y ago
Gets them every time 😂
SelocAvrap 2 points 3y ago
**EXTRA ROOM**
Harrabots 2 points 3y ago
Just say you want stronger coffee, goddamit. Wtf is their problem??
diabeticsmash 2 points 3y ago
I'd just give her an inch less in her cup and let her know that's what she asked for
XBL_Unfettered 2 points 3y ago
I get iced americanos no water. I really just want shots over ice, so that by the time it’s all melted I’m still drinking something that tastes good. I discovered it from the idiots that try to save money on iced lattes (I don’t make them lattes from the bar like those monsters).

ETA; I usually also ask for extra ice and don’t care about the room/air because that’s what I expect when I order the drink.
NothingToSeeFolks 7 points 3y ago
You can just order an iced espresso, however many shots you’d like, in whatever cup size you’d like, with extra ice!
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favorite-secret 2 points 3y ago
definitely the espresso shots on ice.
StatementOk470 1 points 7m ago
I'm blown away by this post. I'm trying to figure out how to order an americano with less water so I don't sound like an idiot, read this thread and immediately regret thinking about it. Americano = espresso + water. Just put less water in the cup, why is this so contentious? I don't understand what the problem is, could anyone clarify what I should do if I want less water in my americano? Are water servings standardized to the point you cannot put less water in it? I don't want twice the amount of caffeine, I just want a stronger americano.
okcup 1 points 6m ago
I just went looking myself as well and came across this thread. You’ve gotta deal with a ton of mean people working in the service industry and because of it some baristas become jaded assholes. The expectation from customers is crazy here. Starbucks already uses some stupid naming systems… the fact that people don’t get it right sometimes should be expected.

What you’re saying isn’t contentious at all. I’d order either a long black / long pour (extra water through the machine but not as much an americano) like someone above said or ask for an espresso with 2oz of water. Something like that. I actually prefer the long black / double long pour and do this at home since the crema is nicer.

I looked online and apparently it’s a called a “little buddy”, Italiano, or two and two.
Strankles 1 points 9m ago
Old post but can’t not comment. Starbucks, as well as serving distinctly average coffee, does not understand an Americano. It should be 2:1 water to espresso. Perfectly fine for anyone to order what they want.
Mhill777 1 points 3y ago
She probably wanted it with less water so it tastes a little stronger. Espresso with "some" water just not as much as you normally put in. I've gotten a few where they fill it up all the way to the top with water and it doesn't taste as it should. Just my guess ???
Giada37 1 points 3y ago
I had a regular who would order a hot americano no water. Basically she would want an espresso which would continue pulling until the cup was filled. So like a very long double espresso. Tbh the coffee was amazing and had very beautiful crema on top. Kudos to her!
cbstick 1 points 3y ago
I guess a relevant question - I like to order a grande Americano in a Venti cup. The first few times I did this it was filled to the top of the cup. So I added extra room in my order notes and say it when I order in store. Now it’s 50/50 that I get the room.

What is the best way for me to order/request a grande Americano in a venti cup without having it filled to the top with water?

Thanks!
lacimarie2012 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Do you get it iced or hot? Idk how to do online orders since we dont have that function, but in person I have people simply say "grande [drink] but can you put it in a venti cup so theres extra room?" And then I know they want a lot of room. Also if you get it iced and they're filling it to the top with ice, maybe say in a venti cup no extra ice?
cbstick 1 points 3y ago
Thanks for replying!

I usually order it hot. In the app you can add notes and I’ve even put in extra room.
lacimarie2012 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Are you able to add custom messages? Maybe specify "not full" or even "2/3 full" or something? Like I said I have no clue how the app works haha. I'm surprised they fill it honestly
ricket026 1 points 3y ago
Did she want it iced or hot? Because with iced i normally get less water and get more ice because then I feel like it just gets toooo watered down.

However, if she wanted it hot I genuinely can’t imagine what the fuck these people want.
lacimarie2012 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Iced, but in my mind if I put more ice in, it would still be adding water because the ice will melt haha
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jawil723 1 points 3y ago
Venti doubleshot on ice all day!
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