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Touching at work (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by serenity_flows13
I do not like it when people touch me. There’s a difference between an accidental bump, or a high five. But do not like put your hand on my chin to tell me to “cheer up”, or rub my back as you walk by and say hello.

I do not care if the intentions are fine. It makes me super uncomfortable and I just wanted to know if I’m even ALLOWED to say anything or if I have to just deal with it.
kandiestlaurent 66 points 3y ago
you can definitely say something!’ your boundaries and comfort are sososo important, if the person doesn’t understand that further reflects their character and i would move it to higher ups just for ignoring your basic human boundary at that point
serenity_flows13 [OP] 3 points 3y ago
I was too scared to say anything while at work today (I wrote this on my break because something had JUST happened) because I didn’t know if I would get in trouble. But I think I’m going to bring something up next time I am there.
kandiestlaurent 1 points 3y ago
i support u!! i’m wishin u the best ♡
serenity_flows13 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Thank you so much
starkbuckies 54 points 3y ago
please say something! I'm a very touchy person (when others are okay with it) and I always would rather hear that someone doesn't like it. if it's upsetting for them then of course i'll stop.
[deleted] 17 points 3y ago
Same here. Touchy by nature but I always keep it at the shoulder level and ask if you want a hug. I would definitely want a touch averse coworker to say something. Very important in our tight space
obeehunter 7 points 3y ago
I would say to talk to the person who is doing the touching. You don't need to tell superiors unless it doesn't stop.

I do not like people touching me at all but I know it's a 'me' thing and some people are literally just friendly. I usually ask them to not touch me in a jokingly rude way, or I move away from their hands. This doesn't work for everyone of course but it does for me. I just tend to be very straight forward about it 'hey, I don't really like hugs. Please do not hug me. Your touch repulses me'. Like obviously I'm kidding about feeling repulsed but it's my way of letting people know that I don't like being touched.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
My problem is that for the most part, it’s the SSVs and the SM. There’s an occasional partner instance, but for the most part it’s all people above me. I don’t know how to say what I need to without getting in trouble for it.
obeehunter 1 points 3y ago
This is a tough situation. Most people I work with either know by now not to touch me or know me enough that like an occasional pat on the shoulder is fine. Because if you're the kind of person who doesn't like physical contact, then that becomes pretty obvious fairly quickly to anyone without even having to say anything. I actually work as a manager and one of my younger (F17) baristas made it perfectly clear that she hated being touched or hugged. Not that I was giving out the hugs lol but other people at work would attempt to give her a hug as a hello or if it was her birthday and she made it very clear that she didn't like that. No one took it offensively.
tatoo1ne 29 points 3y ago
i have the same question here. my shift makes comments like "atta girl" or "good girl" and pats me on my back or lower back. i hate it. i have ptsd from multiple sexual assault incidences and i hate being spoken to like that.
rollerderbydyke 22 points 3y ago
even without the PTSD that’s definitely not cool behavior and very icky
you should definitely talk to your SM about that
havensward 8 points 3y ago
Seconding, and don't let them talk their way out of it. If they don't stop when you clearly say stop, it's time to go over their head. They don't get to trigger your PTSD. They don't get to make you uncomfortable.
tatoo1ne 5 points 3y ago
him and our SM are tight.. probably wouldnt end in something positive.
rollerderbydyke 7 points 3y ago
regardless of the comments, any grown person knows touching someone’s lower back like that is considered inappropriate at best-if you feel uncomfortable talking to SM about it SBux has other resources to discuss an unsafe work environment
serenity_flows13 [OP] 3 points 3y ago
I am also trying to work through PTSD from sexual assault problems.. it’s really tough for me. And I end up being completely silent in the moment because first I have like a horrible flashback response, and then it’s followed by me being so angry that I can’t say anything out of fear of like freaking out.
tatoo1ne 1 points 3y ago
exactly. i'm so sorry. ):
paolathepanda 3 points 3y ago
That's absolutely nasty. You should talk to your SM about it ... that's so not okay.
paolathepanda 5 points 3y ago
Just noticed the other comment. In that case then you should talk to the DM .
tatoo1ne 2 points 3y ago
ive had too many experiences where speaking out results in nothing. too discouraged at this point.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I relate. My SM looooooves retaliation through hours and I can’t afford ANOTHER hit
pleasesurpriseme 12 points 3y ago
I had a touch adverse ssv and everyone found out in a quiet, respectful way when we were new- oh and that’s S please don’t touch them casually unless they say it’s ok. No not even high fives please. The few times she did initiate contact like a high five or shook your hand it felt kind of special, not gonna lie. But it shouldn’t be a big deal to ask for that, your personal boundaries are important.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
How exactly did that happen? Like, how was it handled “quietly”. I’m trying to not make a big deal about it but I don’t know how to.
pleasesurpriseme 1 points 3y ago
Eh. We just give new folks a tour of the store and explain things like who the shifts and trainers are, so they know who to go to for help, and while we’re at it just mention that about S. It was only about ten seconds out of our day and no one ever really made a issue out of it, or asked for an explanation. She’d dealt with a trauma and we respected her boundaries.

I’m not entirely sure how I’d approach the whole store if you want to, but maybe from now on when someone does try and touch you (or actually does) just tell them it makes you uncomfortable and ask them not to? I would probably tell folks when it comes up and if they push back against it just go to your SM about it.
padminiyoni 12 points 3y ago
Definitely say something. I’m a SS and I usually touch someone’s back or shoulder lightly as I walk behind them to make sure we don’t run into each other or to give some encouragement if we’re getting swamped. and I would definitely want someone to tell me if I made them uncomfortable. Go to higher ups if they don’t listen to you!
asst2therglmgr 9 points 3y ago
Oh my GAWD I’ve had to ask like 2-3 people not to touch me at my store and only 2 of them respected my wishes. WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN TOOOOOOUCH YOOOOOOU!?! I had a guy that would lightly poke my back if he was walking behind me and I wasn’t waking fast enough for him. Naaaaaaaaah son! He was the one that wouldn’t listen. He’s gone now though so it’s all good.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Right! And all I can ever think is just, DO NOT TOUCH ME. And I can’t say it out loud because it will NOT be in a nice tone. I can’t handle it. Just don’t touch me. Idk why that’s such a fucking concept.
Alang453 5 points 3y ago
Helllllll nahhhh man if you dont like it you should speak up and tell the person, if the person doesnt listen then it should be taken up with the shift and/or manager. You should not have to let yourself be touched by someone without your consent, or rather at all smh. I know I tend to give a tap here and there but thats just to let people know Im behind them or Im coming through, nothing more.
queenzpiece 5 points 3y ago
i had this exact issue at work too. a lot of my partners would run into me and pat my back and i told a lot of them to not touch me anymore because i absolutely dislike being touched. it’s nice to tell your SS because they are really understanding of that. and they would want you to feel okay.
asst2therglmgr 5 points 3y ago
Just say in the most serious tone you can muster: “I do not like being touched ok?” It’s mostly worked for me. WAY better than just tolerating it. And honestly, I don’t think a lot of people are even thinking when they do it which doesn’t make it cease to be irritating but still. Something to consider?
serenity_flows13 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I think I’m scared of it becoming this big deal. I just don’t want it to be something that’s brought up all the time. I’m trying to figure out a way to get it resolved easily.
_Skooks_ 5 points 3y ago
I have this exact same issue. There have been a few partners who will touch me on the back, or hug me without warning. I told them outright that it made me very uncomfortable, and most of them now ask for my consent before touching me...the one girl who didn’t I went straight to my SM about and she was never a problem again.
jordan_leigh 4 points 3y ago
Yeah say what you think. It’s your right
wellguesswhatpumpkin 4 points 3y ago
I hate being touched at work and at every store I work at I let them know not to touch me. It goes over people’s heads and they keep doing it regardless of me telling them to stop it. I keep telling them one of these days I’m going to snap too and all they do is laugh and keep touching me. Super annoying
PsychicPissJug 2 points 3y ago
You need to go to your manager and then their manager and then corporate. This is not okay, and is harrassment at this point because they know they are touching you without your consent.
TylerTheBox 3 points 3y ago
I kinda touch people’s back as to not bump into them, is this creepy?
serenity_flows13 [OP] 7 points 3y ago
It depends. Some people tap on the shoulder to not bump into people and that’s okay. But the whole back thing really doesn’t sit well with me but that’s just me. I usually make sure to say behind when passing.
CriticalSheep 4 points 3y ago
I don’t think so. I do this all the time. Or I’ll put a hand on their arm to stop them from crashing back into me while I say “behind” for them to hear me.
tor_tor25 3 points 3y ago
Not at all. I do the same thing! But you can tell when it makes other uncomfortable so just be mindful 😊
Rubber_and_Glue 1 points 3y ago
It is not creepy but it will be very obvious to notice when people don't like even casual touches. Like me.

I had a co-worker who did this to me a handful of times before stopping because I kept flinching and turning around when they touched me. Nothing violent has happened in my past, I just hate touch that much.
twirlergirl42 1 points 3y ago
One thing I’ve learned to do is hover my hand behind their shoulder while I’m walking behind them (also saying “I’m right behind you”). So that way if they DO move, they’ll feel my hand on their shoulder and stay put. But I’m not initiating any more contact than absolutely necessary.
[deleted] 3 points 3y ago
Of course say something. I had to say the same, and I did it in the moment too. That person has never touched me again.
emofish91 2 points 3y ago
Yes, please say something!! I'm the hugger at work, and there are several of us. I always ask permission though because I know at least 1 of our partners will not do hugs (lookin at you S, I know you're lurking) but several will hug. Just speak up. Loudly if you have to.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
See like, I’m not ALWAYS against it. I give high fives sometimes. And hugs too sometimes. But it’s different when I’m consenting. Thankfully no one has just ran up and hugged me without there being that moment where we are both clearly agreeing to it in a long time.

But the shoulder/back rubs and stuff like that just makes me so uncomfortable. Or when people like move me, like just putting their hands on my shoulders and guiding me along.

I have ptsd from trauma from sexual assaults and physically abusive past relationships, so someone touching me or someone using force toward me like that really messes me up.

I dunno how to go about it without it being a big deal, and I don’t want to offend anybody either.

As someone that’s usually the hugger and stuff, how would I make sure to not offend you? I also have severe anxiety so it’s all just a bundle of nonsense in my head.
emofish91 2 points 3y ago
I can only speak for myself but as the usual hugger I would rather someone specifically say hey I don't like being touched unless I initiate it, rather than me get potentially offended. I used to the the person who didn't like being touched either, so consent is super important to me. That being said, your mental health is more important than someone's feelings being hurt. It's just a hug, it won't kill them to not give it to you. If you specifically say hey xyz makes me uncomfortable please don't do it or please ask me first then there's not really a whole lot of room for argument. Say it with other people around, firmly but without anger, and if you have to escalate things up the chain of command you can say that you've requested on more than one occasion that people not touch you without asking. Good luck friend.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Thank you so much
Spaceparks 1 points 3y ago
ok ok but SPANKING ? at work ????? I wore tight jeans for the first time to work today and got a couple comments about the 'mucho culo' and got smacked completely inappropriately twice I don't know who to tell about this because it was BY my SM
lordyuhloo 1 points 3y ago
Ooooof. I got in the habit of shoulder touching to let people know I'm behind them or to get the window partners attention when I have their drink an I feel bad sometimes. I dont know if I'm pissing them off.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 3 points 3y ago
So I won’t lie, it REALLY bothered me at first. Someone from a different store came to ours for about a month when we lost an SSV, and he kind of started that habit in our store because I guess that’s how they communicate that they’re moving by at his other store. And everyone started doing it because he did.

I am a mental MESS, so unfortunately I didn’t take it well at all for a long time. I have had really bad anxiety all my life, and now on top of added anxiety/ptsd from things that happened to me, it just took a really long time for me to accept it. I really don’t like unwarranted touching, especially when I’m not expecting it.

But I’ve kind of adjusted. I guess in a way I just gave in, because at least the shoulder tap is less invasive than a back touch or other things like that.

I also often feel bad, because I know that it’s a me thing and that it isn’t a big deal to other people. I try really hard not to over react because I sometimes feel like I’m being stupid. I know people don’t.. they don’t mean it in the way that my brain instinctually takes it. And I don’t want to make other people feel bad for something that shouldn’t be a big deal. I just can’t help it either. So I’m just stuck in this weird place. I can’t differentiate between the ones that shouldn’t be a big deal and the ones that are definitely crossing a line.
lordyuhloo 1 points 3y ago
Oh man. Are you me? Bc yeah, I developed the habit but I also have this weird thing about touching. I like.... feel it for a really long time afterwords? It's hard to explain. I started touching people's backs bc everyone else does it but sometimes I'm like "yo dont touch meeeee"
serenity_flows13 [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I know exactly what you mean about feeling it for a really long time afterwards.

I worked last Thursday, scheduled 9-5, but stayed late because of happy hour. I didn’t clock out until 6:57. And it was a really LONG and BAD day. People called off in the morning, it was insanely under staffed at night, I was forced to bar for basically my entire shift. And I was getting really angry, and after my ten I decided to just. Shut up and do my job. Just me being super quiet. Not angry just.. numb(?) I guess.

And the SSV that was on is always ridiculously reliant on me, he always has me saving the day and is always saying he needs me and I’m the star and the reason we ever survive shifts blah blah. And I was just like ok. That’s all I said. I didn’t want to argue or be like yeah omg you’re sooo welcome I definitely love being your support beam homie, this definitely isn’t offensive at all that you genuinely credit me with your own survival at this job while you’re getting paid more than me.

So I was just like yeah. Ok.

And then he touched my face. He did one of those chin touching things and was like “chin up, we are gonna be okay” and I like did N O T know what to do. I just like froze for a second. Do not fucking touch me and especially do not touch my fucking face. That was literally a week ago and I can’t stop thinking about it.
lordyuhloo 1 points 3y ago
See, no. Face touches are going over the line. I touch shoulders and backs. Sometimes jokingly the top of the head in like a "there there *pat pat*" way if it's a partner I know really well and I'm 100% sure they won't be uncomfortable with it.

You wouldn't be in the wrong if you told him not to touch you like that again. Or bring it up to the SM. Def bring it up to someone bc that's probably inappropriate.

You also bring up a good point because I have some baristas where I'm like "oh my god, you're so amazing/you seriously help me out when I work with you/you totally saved my ass this shift" I should probably find a better way of expressing my appreciation.
EmpressDaniQ 1 points 3y ago
Please reach out and say something. Immediately. I hate being touched too and they could be doing it to other people. You deserve to feel safe in your work environment, so if you need to anonymously say something please do.
Koalastars009 -10 points 3y ago
Always call these people out and cause a scene. Tell them it is not ok. Even if they say they’re just being friendly. Tell them they can not put their hands on you. Embarrass them so bad that they won’t want to come back. Make sure everyone hears it too. And if your management isn’t helping, get them immediately and point out that this person was being very in appropriate with you as loud as you can. No one would blame you. And hopefully someone will come and help you. Sorry for the rant. I use to have a coworker who would always get harassed older men. One even tried recording video of her with his phone. I’m sure all your coworkers would have your back if you need it :)
serenity_flows13 [OP] 6 points 3y ago
Manager was one of the incidents. I’m speaking strictly coworkers. Our Customers know better than I just touch people.
Rubber_and_Glue 1 points 3y ago
I wish my customers knew better than to touch people. I work in a licensed store and before Starbucks was added I worked in the main store.

I have literally backed myself into a corner trying to subtly put some personal space between us. I didn't know how to say that there was no need to speak to me an inch away from my face or to rub my arms when I was helping them. I was running around all shift, I wasn't cold.
havensward 1 points 3y ago
One of the incidents? I skimmed the comments to try and see if I missed something, but I'm not sure what you're referring to. Incidents of being touched?

If yes, please don't put up with it. You're probably not the only uncomfortable one. You are allowed to say something. If they don't stop, start making a record of every time they do or say something. Time, date, details. Go to your DM or HR.

If necessary, make a stink about it. Starbucks does not want to be a company that's seen as accepting harassment on the floor.
serenity_flows13 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Yes sorry, one of the incidents of being touched. Sorry, I thought I had mentioned in my original post that things had been happening but I didn’t lol.

I have a lot of past trauma with sexual assault.. as well as sexual harassment at work. The SM my store had before this one was literally fired for sexually harassing a coworker. At first they just moved that coworker to a different store. It took over a month for that SM to actually be fired. And during that month I felt like I was becoming the next target.

And my current SM knows EVERYTHING about that situation, so for them to be touching anybody in any way is complete insanity to me.

I’m just scared of retaliation, and I’m scared of it becoming a big deal. I don’t know how to go about it.
havensward 2 points 3y ago
Christ, that's awful. I'm so sorry.

I think I said this somewhere else here, but start recording everything. Get as close to a list of evidence as you can. I don't know what state you're in, but some permit recording without the other person knowing about it (this may only be important re: phone taps... It's legal in NJ cos it's part of how they went after the mafia...) but if it's possible get what you can recorded on your phone without being obvious. Do this to protect yourself, and to go over their heads in the corporate chain if you need to. I wish it could easily help with retaliation, too. If you have a therapist, maybe they'll know the ins and outs of this sort of situation, legally speaking, and help you navigate it.

I, for one, won't mind getting DMs from you if you need to vent, or have a sympathetic ear. I don't know how much I can help, but I can be safe, and I can be a sounding board.
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