Help: entitled male customer(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by latebl000mer
*two tiered issue I need advice for: -how to shut down unwanted hugs -how to undo the long term habit of customer expecting free coffee
This retired man has been coming to my particular SB location (he says) for over 7+ years, collecting the expired pasteries/RTDE to donate to a homeless shelter in town. He expects free coffee and tea each time he comes in. I’m not sure how this expectation was initiated (we’ve filtered through a few managers and he’s been coming to the store since before my time). First he offers if he can take our garbage out / if we need anything: do we want pizza? Can he buy me a bag of Starbucks brand chips? Then launches into “can I just have a coffee / can I have my chai to go?”(wants 2-3 bags) He’ll ask 2 different baristas because I believe he knows he’s asking for too much. The occasionally scrunched look on his face / change in tone of voice tells me this.
He is never charged for the drip coffee + tea bags on the principle that he’s never been charged for it.. also significant in my mind: every time he comes in he offers “gifts” (imo bribes) ranging from mints to pizza to bootleg dvds.. Random shit that he definitely regifts or picks up from his car floor. For the holidays he brings in bottles of wine and chocolate and this year a box set of English muffins (wtf) that are basically given in a way that can’t be denied (I always say no to him w his other nonholiday offers - I hate feeling indebted to someone which I think is the dynamic he’s trying to create of reciprocal gift giving). His overly friendly behavior feels shady and largely manipulative.. like his motivation is to be viewed in a generous light and to create a sense of friendship.
More recently he’s been giving me and other female baristas hugs and longer than a peck cheek kisses. He also touches my arm and gets close when talking. I don’t like being touched by ANY customers while working (even touching hands while exchanging $ on register makes me uncomfortable, esp w older men - our location has a number of creeps). I don’t have this hugging problem with anyone but him. He basically launches himself into a hug and before it’s too late I’m on the receiving end of a hug.. I HATE this. The last time it happened I pulled my head away from him but he made up for the distance by moving in to kiss me on the cheek anyway. Disgusting. In the past I’ve non reciprocated a hug and have said “oh, no...” and yet I’m being hugged by him. Then I get annoyed with myself that I haven’t backed away or made an outright statement to me, like no hugs! Or I’m sick.. He’s always smiling and acting friendly - as if there’s no other option for us than to reciprocate his friendliness..
I’ve turned down his request ONCE for his presumed free coffee by lying and saying our manager has been looking at the cameras and we’re not allowed to give away free product. He backed away from the register and was like ooooh ooooh ok, now just asks other baristas for his hand out.
I’ve talked to my coworkers and manager (some fall for his syrupy sweetness and like him.. many do not, but all still give him drinks just to move him along) everyone basically just feels awkward about the encounter of denying him or doesn’t see it as a big deal.. Does this happen at anyone else’s stores? I don’t want to get my coworkers in trouble but I do want to discourage him from feeling so entitled. Because he’s donating the food he feels like he should get something out of it.. He’s mentioned to one of the shifts that he’s doing this to get good karma and go to heaven. Additional context: he’s Indian and an admittedly recovered alcoholic.
coffeesparklez20 points3y ago
Please make it clear to your manager and shifts that he is forcing unwanted physical contact on you. Document the conversation. If your manager allows his behavior to continue then you need to escalate to partner contact center. Please don't make excuses for your abuser, which is what this guy is doing. Unwanted physical touch is never ok. His background doesn't give him special permission to be a dick.
latebl000mer [OP]1 points3y ago
Thank you.. we just got a new manager and I’ll make him aware.
DontLieMyGuy9 points3y ago
I honestly doubt he’s taking those pastries to the homeless shelter..
latebl000mer [OP]5 points3y ago
I agree. An ex manager and I joked we should secretly follow him one night. Is probably either taking them home or to AA meetings 🙄
sandycat5556 points3y ago
If he is physically touching you, that is battery. You don’t have to be physically hurt for it to legally be battery.
latebl000mer [OP]2 points3y ago
I hear you but feel uncomfortable escalating it to battery at this point.. I’m going to say something to him (“no hugging”) and have a meeting with my manager and if he doesn’t comply I will absolutely escalate it. Thank you.
sandycat5552 points3y ago
That’s a good plan. Shows a progression and it doesn’t look like the partners are suddenly just reacting differently without warning.
sarahkate20115 points3y ago
Dude we have a guy that harasses our female employees and watches porn using our WiFi and he gets away with it. The last thing this company cares about is our safety.
latebl000mer [OP]3 points3y ago
I’m so sorry to hear this.. we have older men that sit at the end of our bar and stare at us, asked us to walk them to their cars, have propositioned oral sex to customers outside our store.. I know food service is notorious for sexual harassment but there’s something about Starbucks in particular that draws predators..
comicbookartist4201 points3y ago
Maybe they know that a lot of college kids work there so they go after that demographic
Grobanne20115 points3y ago
I understand where you are coming from in terms of friendliness, but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. Have you brought up the hugging to your shift or manager?
latebl000mer [OP]1 points3y ago
Yes.. to shift managers. They tell me to stay behind the counter or actively move away from him when he comes in. Seems like a bandaid solution tho.. I’m going to say something to him next time he inevitably tries physical contact.
taylorhb4 points3y ago
What he’s doing is 100% inappropriate and we had people banned at my previous store for less than what he’s doing.
I would inform your manager how uncomfortable you are and request to file a formal report/complaint against him. Then update or file additional reports with every inappropriate encounter after that. Starbucks sometimes takes a while for things to move along but they do like to see a paper trail that says this is a consistent issue. You may need to directly tell him to stop touching you in any way, but it would be worth it for this to end.
If your manager doesn’t do what you request and file a report (I’m pretty sure they’re required to??), definitely move up the line to file one
latebl000mer [OP]2 points3y ago
Thank you for your insight! I would love to have him banned and end his shady pastry operation and presence in the store in general.. Would you mind sharing what qualifies a banning at your store? My store (in NY) is very lax and there’s a LOT of sexual harassment that goes on undisciplined. Our store consists of mainly regulars and the manager/shifts generally don’t want to rock the boat..
taylorhb2 points3y ago
I live in a city that has a population round 70,000, so we aren’t going to be dealing with as many people and I’m sure that’s part of why it was easier for us.
But I know we had one guy banned for saying sexually explicit things to customers and baristas. He’d try to flirt with baristas and was extremely overbearing. If you tried to end the conversation, disagree, walk away, etc, he would get really irritated. Once he sat down at a table of college girls (this guy was probably 45-50) and started talking about oral sex to them. They were clearly uncomfortable and we were able to get written reports from them which helped in getting him banned.
We had another guy banned for calling one of our shifts a bitch. But this was after we had a trail of him cornering our customers on a daily basis—sometimes multiple times a day—and asking for money or for them to buy him food. And also using the restroom as a shower. And drinking all of our half and half straight. He was homeless and I felt bad for him. But his behavior was extremely disruptive and he was often rude. Calling our shift a bitch was just he straw that broke the camels back I think.
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