Please, understand the weight of your options. Know the opportunity cost at stake when denying catastrophy relief, and recognize that your value as a partner goes beyond the numbers on a paystub.(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by CakeAK
(TL;DR at the end)
If you would like to accept the $3 raise and continue working during this time, know that's it's ultimately your choice, but there are factors you should consider that could affect your decision. Just please be aware that in opting to work, you effectively deny yourself a free paycheck in exchange for a bonus that's deceptively very little gain. At the very least, investigate how deeply this can affect you, because catastrophy relief is not only limited to financial support.
This is **NOT** to shame anyone, but to try and ensure everybody can make the most informed decisions about their time and money. A critical mistake partners are making is they only measure the value of their reward and not the value of the task they perform. While a $3 bump might *seem* like a comparatively good option, it's objectively detrimental in value, because your ***time is worth money.***
For the sake of argument, let's pretend for a moment that the $3 thing doesn't exist. Imagine if your current options were to either:
**A)** Work and receive $500.
*or*
**B)** Do *nothing* and receive $500.
Obviously, one group is getting the shaft, and although they are paid the same exact amount in dollars, their pay is NOT the same. This is unpaid labor being exploited, since our pay is already on the table. So now we add the new shiny coat of $3, which baristas are understandably being drawn to, and essentially, Starbucks is now getting away with paying ALL current working employees **$3 an hour** to keep stores open for business. That's... insane.
Now before going further, let me just clarify that corporate's "Option **B**" response (CAT Pay) truly is a wonderful, above and beyond gesture from Starbucks that we *should* be grateful for. They deserve credit for that. The problem, however, is that we're still being encouraged (in some instances, *pressured*) to work, by some higher-ups AND fellow partners, which invites a massive percent of our staff to forfeit their own personal time, manual labor, health & safety, and an entire month of PTO pay for no incentive other than +$3 an hour. Remember, **we are not actively earning our paycheck for working if it's already been issued to all employees for free.**
Regardless of what decision you make, your base pay is yours no matter what. Beyond that, any extra time you put in, you'll be earning **20%** your normal wage for **100%** of your effort. If the "bonus" was presented to you like this, *would you still take the offer?*
No. It's simply not worth it, and it's not even close.
In fact, *do the math for yourself*. If you make a regular $15/hour, for 4 weeks (or 100 hours), you earn $1500 for the month for staying at home. Add that $3, and you make $1800 to NOT stay home, exert your energy and risk yourself and others, all for a whopping $300.
Another thing that's somewhat deceptive is the *length* of time. $3 long-term would be a *fantastic* solution (permanent would be cool too, but baby steps for now), however it's extremely short-term to the point of little significance, where you *really* need to grind to reap the benefits. To be more specific, if you were to work virtually **every single day** from now until April 19th, receiving ZERO days off, maxed at a strenuous 150+ hours for nearly an *entire* month, you'd get... about $500. At ***MOST***. That's it.
I can't stress this enough: it's not a $3 wage increase—this is a $3 per hour **job** (which is illegal in most countries, just sayin').
Again, **those 100+ hours of your life are still a value to you and you should really consider not give them away so freely.** If you're capable, or you love working *that* much, or if you absolutely need an extra $300 by the end of the deadline, then you could argue it's a good deal. But for most of us, work is still work, and COVID-19 is still, well, COVID-19.
Meanwhile, the true value/demand of the work that we put in has skyrocketed considerably, because those of us who continue to work are keeping Starbucks open for business during an economic crisis. We are the reason the company is still profitable, while burning our own costly compensation they've set aside for us, and working for substantially less pay than before. As a businessman, Kevin Johnson must be ecstatic.
Lastly, how can we preach **#staythefuckhome** to our customers when *we won't even do it ourselves?* We're not hypocrites... we might just be a little misguided. Many of us are desperate low-income baristas who will overexert and overexpose ourselves just to scrape by, and this sort of behavior has ultimately clouded our self-worth as assets within the company.
It's time to remind ourselves that the labor/service we provide, our mental and physical sacrifices to this job, our health/safety risks being taken, and our own personal time lost, are all contributions that *weigh something*. Don't discredit your value and your ability to sell that value higher to corporate who's getting it dirt cheap right now. We're settling for $3 rates in leau of a full month's pay, and if you've ever wondered why we don't get more deserving raises and nothing ever changes—this is why.
**TL;DR:** All partners deserve something closer in line to corporate's generous catastrophy relief rather than their disingenuous $3 carrot on a stick.
ballercrantz36 points3y ago
Also, this whole pandemic has shown how much *they* need *us*. Keep this mind when it's over and they want to take that extra three dollar raise away.
Every single employee deserves a raise, regardless. The bux does not pay a living wage. But we have leverage now and we should use it.
Haikuemo9424 points3y ago
I have chosen to take the catastrophe pay for these reasons:
I can not control what customers do, who they are around, and what precautions they take or done take before coming to my store.
I cannot control any of those things when it comes to my coworkers either, most of which are teens who are not taking this seriously
I cannot, as a shift manager, conduct my shift to my best ability when all I can think of every time the window opens is being contaminated, nothing is ever clean enough. All I can think about is getting sick, being hospitalized, fighting for my life.
What I can do, is take the opportunity that was given to everyone, and take this time to stay home and be a as healthy as possible mentally and physically. I wish all partners would do the same.
sassy7girl6 points3y ago
Perfectly said, & agree MORE THAN 100%!
beccaboo2u1 points3y ago
YASSS!! This!
flapjacksyrupp913 points3y ago
I chose to take the ‘Cat Pay’ and am currently being harassed by my shift and store managers for not calling in, etc. when I’ve explained to atleast four people including a DM that i was taking the 30 days. This is all because a majority of my coworkers chose to continue working and I’m a new barista. It’s ridiculous.
Edit: the reason I took the 30 days off is because apart from feeling an ethical responsibility to stay home, is that my sister works at a lab screening for covid 19. So essentially it’s a two way street consisting of exposing others at work or bringing it back home to my family. Anyone else getting harassed by their managers?
ahbeeceeess12 points3y ago
My only thing is that I rely on taking extra shifts to make enough to pay rent. If I take the cat pay, I’ll be getting paid about HALF of what I would be making if I work, not even taking the extra $3 an hour into account. So for me it’s like, stay home and make a $300 paycheck and not afford rent, or work and make more than double
CakeAK [OP]6 points3y ago
Obviously necessity is more important than the value of your time. It's just unfortunate cause Starbucks knows situations like yours exist and that's why they can get away with the weak incentive, because people NEED to work extra shifts right now. Hopefully things can change when this is all said and done.
gollywhiz10 points3y ago
you say "whopping $300 gain" like that isnt... a nice amount of extra money to have??? thats groceries, extra food, extra emergency money that can really help some people, especially after all these labour cuts. i agree with the overall message of this post, but dont pretend like that isnt significant.
CakeAK [OP]10 points3y ago
$300 is insignificant **reletive to the work you put in.** You need to punch in over 100 hours (about 15 or more shifts) to collect that $300.
That's $3/hour.
Now take those same 100 hours and instead, apply it to better use. A $16/hour rate and you collect $1600.
$300 is not significant enough to ignore the idea that your time is a LOT more valuable.
gollywhiz6 points3y ago
my time that would otherwise be spent at home on tiktok or reddit? for me personally, maybe because im biased since i love (almost) all my coworkers and i have nothing better to do (which maybe is a little sad), but id rather just put in the work and get the extra money 🤷 even if its not "significant" according to you, every little bit helps.
and just for clarity, i absolutely support anyone who wants/needs the 30 days and takes full advantage. im just saying it isnt automatically the best option for everyone.
CakeAK [OP]7 points3y ago
Sorry if I'm being confusing, I'm not talking about free time. Here I'm talking about the value of your working hours. You should be making more than $300 for the whole month, closer to whatever is 2x your pay instead. That's where the $300 starts to become insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Also you have great reasons to want to work. As long as you're not overstressed or breaking your back for the $300 in exchange for 15 shifts, and you enjoy it, then you might as well.
gollywhiz5 points3y ago
ahh that makes sense. i see where youre coming from now, and i definitely wouldnt be jumping to keep working if it wasnt for my awesome manager and partners. hope you stay healthy :)
mmmmm5555556 points3y ago
Also: consider that with just a DT hours may get cut. Meaning there’s a chance you’ll make the same amount or less money while putting yourself at risk of a virus that has been killing people who AREN’T “high risk”.
CakeAK [OP]5 points3y ago
Holy shit, that's actually a really important detail. Thanks for the heads up.
mmmmm5555553 points3y ago
Yeah it depends on the staffing at your specific store but if there’s a lot of people who want to come make this “extra” $3/hour - You’re NOT going to get your full hours. In that case is it really worth it? I may not be high risk, but I also would prefer not spending weeks later on coughing my lungs out while not working AND not getting any Cat Pay. I don’t know when this offer is good until but I heard April 17th? If you get it mid-April you’re now stuck at home with no hours and no Cat Pay because you put yourself at risk when you could’ve kept yourself safe at home.
kingsizedpapers5 points3y ago
You did that 🔥 🔥 🔥 👏🏿
ava102344 points3y ago
I took the cat pay. I’m 6 months pregnant and deemed high risk. It was nice that my boss really wanted me to take it. But I’m bored out of my mind and going stir crazy. — to all of you working, I’m wishing the best for you all and try to stay healthy!❤️— this is weird to say but I actually miss working (I’ve been out 7 days already) and i kinda miss the asshole customers... weird right?
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cactuskirby2 points3y ago
Oh I'm gonna get hella downvoted for this, but man. It's insane how much you guys complain about things, and how every single post in these subs is about making people feel bad or bringing up the negatives to working righ tnow. You say you aren't trying to shame, but that's really what it comes off as. It's especially infuriating to read this take over and over because I work for a noncorporate Starbucks where not only is my store still open, but every single one of my coworkers and I are on a ZERO to four hour schedule. We cannot file for unemployment, and I get about $30 in my bank account on Friday. We don't get to take the two weeks of paid leave. You bet your ass I've been frantically applying literally everywhere and it's crazy how you guys get such a great deal in comparison to my team and I, yet all that still happens in these subs is whining. Sorry, just had to get this off my chest. Unfollowing now and won't be back until this all blows over.
capgrasdeluded1 points3y ago
This is why I never follow these subs unless I need some sort of company news and even then, it's pulling teeth.
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coffeeslinger20002 points3y ago
I read it and I agree with them. That extra money can make a difference for some people. Also, if you’re working, you earn tips. That’s another source of income for some. You can say that shaming isn’t your intention but that doesn’t stop people from feeling shamed by a long ass post about why you shouldn’t keep working.
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coffeeslinger20002 points3y ago
You don’t get it. You’re asking people to consider valuing their time more when they might need that extra income. It’s not the people DON’T value themselves, it’s that they value paying bills and being able to survive more. I’m astounded that you say you aren’t trying to shame people when your tone and your arguments are structured as such. You aren’t inherently right nor are you inherently wrong. You have to understand that this situation isn’t as cut and dry as you think it is and you must be okay with people disagreeing with you.
capgrasdeluded2 points3y ago
I haven't made my decision yet. I'm currently on the 14 day leave and supposed to return in April.
I did some math. Even with the $3 temporary service pay, with our hours being cut I would actually make more just taking the cat. pay and not risking myself by taking the average amount of hours I worked in February, assuming we are still paid our normal hourly wage. Which brings a question up-- are we paid our normal wage under cat pay? Or is it less?
I got a call today and my management seems to actually want us to consider this pay, which I'm grateful for. I'm a shift and I don't feel I've caused any havoc at my store by taking this time off.
Overall it's a hard decision honestly. I just feel like.. I want to take this leave. I have so much I need to do and if I'm being paid the full amount, then that's awesome. I'm afraid of retaliation though. Especially being a shift.
Bill gates warned us of this to bad starbucks didn’t listen hah
gaayrat2 points3y ago
Thank you!
Em13892 points3y ago
"This is NOT to shame anyone" .....but then let me show you a very long way about why you are wrong if you keep working? Or why you are undervaluing yourself and time for staying at work?
Everyone, not directed at you, but EVERYONE has got to stop making posts about reasons why to or not to take the Cat pay or stay at work.
Just let all partners make their own decisions without having to read a billion different posts on which is right, wrong, better, or worse.
Let's start talking about positive things! And things that can cheer everyone up during this time!
CakeAK [OP]6 points3y ago
>Everyone, not directed at you, but EVERYONE has got to stop making posts about reasons why to or not to take the Cat pay or stay at work.
>Let's start talking about positive things! And thing that can cheer everyone up during this time!
Are you.. are you corporate?
Seriously though, I laid out a comprehensive factual explanation of reasons for my argument, do you have any actual response to it other than "choice" and "everyone needs to just stop"?
We all have the freedom of choice to refuse pay completely and work for charity, and I'll still have the freedom of choice to explain why that's not a good idea.
coffeeslinger20002 points3y ago
Why is everyone who disagrees with some wild, somewhat aggressive post automatically labeled as being a corporate shill lmao
Em1389-1 points3y ago
Nah not corporate....a desperate low-income shift supervisor. Is that what you called it? Like cook you laid out some math that is factual, but then you also grouped in how everyone needs to value themselves. Which is the part that I don't agree with. I took the 30, so I'm not arguing the math, I am immuno compromised. But I would hate for one of my baristas to read this and start thinking they dont value themselves because they chose to stay.
It also annoying reading through reddit and having anyone that disagrees be labeled as drinking koolaid or corporate. Like come on guys
CakeAK [OP]5 points3y ago
Fair response. I'm not trying to say they don't value themselves for working. Not at all. I'm saying *everybody* could value themselves *more*, because we *do* get paid slightly less than we deserve, and substantially less than corporate could afford. And like somebody else said, *they* need *us* right now to make money.
With how much revenue these volunteers are providing Starbucks by keeping the brand open for business, they deserve significantly more than what they're getting. That's the other side of what I failed to talk about in my original post. But they won't get the additional pay they actually deserve when they set their own value to the business at $3 per hour by accepting this wage, which IMO is settling, hard.
Em13892 points3y ago
I appreciate the fact the you didn't just come at me harder 🤣 I've been burned in reddit land a lot. I agree with a lot of your points. I just get passionate about deliveries of facts and opinions. Apologies if I came off harsh.
holydirt6 points3y ago
So how exactly were they "shaming"?
If somebody tells you the sky is pink and you correct them that it's blue, are you shaming them by telling them they're wrong, and why/how/where they're factually wrong?
coffeeslinger20002 points3y ago
"I'm not shaming you but let me write a long post about why I think you shouldn't be working"
Em1389-2 points3y ago
Everyone views their own value and time differently, so sitting here and telling people "let's stop" this or that and why this isnt of value of our time or energy or anything isnt right. Thousands of people may agree but thousands may not. And to say things like this could actually hurt someone else's mental health in thinking that they are valuing themselves just because they think differently.
You shouldn't be trying to correct a view point. Because in this case no one is wrong. So that analogy doesnt really apply here.
SlightSignature1 points3y ago
This isn’t what opportunity cost ultimately means though. If you were to maximize your opportunity cost you would take the $3 an hour assuming you don’t have another activity.
Maximizing your opportunity cost is for example paying someone $10 an hour to clean your house while you make $11 an hour doing something else. Your maximizing the amount of money you earn.
In economic terms(where opportunity cost comes from) leisure is worth $0 and you always chose the profit maximizing option which is in this case taking the $3 an hour.
sailorgrumpycat7 points3y ago
You are assuming that OP is only talking about specifically a monetary opportunity cost, but I would argue that OP is actually pointing out that the total opportunity costs are not worth it when taking things into account such as: personal exposure risk, close contact exposure risk (you exposing your friends and family), gained leisure time for self improvement/entertainment, or the subjective statement that your time is worth more to you than the company has offered. To me all of those things also have opportunity costs associated with this issue, and can skew the outcome towards taking the PTO.
Edited to add: I am a barista that hasn't taken the offer yet, but I closed tonight and during the shift some people I worked with and I noticed I had a slight cough and was a bit aching, so I'm probably going to end up taking the PTO now unfortunately because I might be sick.
CakeAK [OP]6 points3y ago
Nailed it, thank you.
SlightSignature2 points3y ago
Yes I get all of those things, but opportunity cost isn’t the right term to be using.
I’m open to being proven otherwise but I can’t find any example of opportunity cost being defined outside of an economic framework(where leisure is worth nothing).
I’m also a barista who is choosing to work and I’m sick of all these posts shaming people who chose to work or making it seem like their choice is dumb/ridiculous/whatever. It’s a personal choice and each person should weigh their personal situation and preferences to come to their own conclusion. Not make these annoying “here’s how you should think because I think it” posts
CakeAK [OP]1 points3y ago
Ah, now I see why you're being pedantic about the econ terminology. It's because you disagree. That's fine, but anyway, here's how it's defined:
"**Opportunity cost** is the value of the next best thing you give up whenever you make a decision. It is "the loss of potential gain from other alternatives when one alternative is chosen."
If you want to keep working for $3 an hour, yes that's your choice, meanwhile I'm going to stay safe at home for $16 an hour. That's not shaming or telling you how to think; that's putting the information in front of you.
SlightSignature3 points3y ago
No I’m correcting your misuse of the term as you are claiming you maximize your opportunity cost by staying home. Per your own definition this is false
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churchk40 points3y ago
Very well said.
f1racingjunkie0 points3y ago
i dont work at starbucks and found this post through up and coming, but people like you posting like this, this is important, highly informational shit that people need, thank u for being a good citizen, we can do this with more people like you
quicksilver13490 points3y ago
Wish I could upvote this more than once.
CakeAK [OP]5 points3y ago
Same, I don't care about the karma I just want the awareness to reach people. Thank you though!
sassy7girl0 points3y ago
Haikuemo94: Couldn’t have said it better! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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