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Anyone else feel uncomfortable with how pro police Starbucks is? (self.starbucksbaristas)
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bbbuo 25 points 3y ago
In the same way police shouldn’t marginalized / discriminate against others, we, as human beings, shouldn’t either.
Serve customers coffee. Not much to it.
#unpopularopinion?
Serve customers coffee. Not much to it.
#unpopularopinion?
ReEliseYT [OP] 7 points 3y ago
I’m not saying we shouldn’t serve cops, but there is a very important distinction that needs to be made.
Cops chose to be cops, no one forced them to go into that line of work. You don’t get to decide the color of your skin, your sexuality, or your gender alignment. Being critical of people for the choice they make and continue to follow through with is not the same as discrimination, racism, sexism, homophobia etc.
The other thing is that they operate with far more power and privileges than almost everyone they interact with, they are not an oppressed group, they are the oppressors.
Are they free to come buy coffee from us, sure. However I don’t think we should invite them into our stores, give them free coffee, or treat them any differently than any other customer. I love giving a nurse a free coffee right now, but always feel gross after I give a cop a free coffee.
Cops chose to be cops, no one forced them to go into that line of work. You don’t get to decide the color of your skin, your sexuality, or your gender alignment. Being critical of people for the choice they make and continue to follow through with is not the same as discrimination, racism, sexism, homophobia etc.
The other thing is that they operate with far more power and privileges than almost everyone they interact with, they are not an oppressed group, they are the oppressors.
Are they free to come buy coffee from us, sure. However I don’t think we should invite them into our stores, give them free coffee, or treat them any differently than any other customer. I love giving a nurse a free coffee right now, but always feel gross after I give a cop a free coffee.
bbbuo 3 points 3y ago
It’s really too bad that you feel this way against all police people.
dodofishman 12 points 3y ago
Criticizing systematic institutions is not attacking individuals at all
mykotman12 1 points 3y ago
Why discriminate against all cops just because there are some bad cops out there? Aren’t you doing the same as what you say cops are doing?
Quit Starbucks, open your own coffee shop, don’t ever serve any cop. But when you are getting robbed or your store is getting trashed by some people while you hide in the bathroom and you need some help, who are you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
ReEliseYT [OP] 0 points 3y ago
I’ve never shot a cop to death while they slept, I’ve never shot an unarmed child of a cop, and I’ve never maimed and crippled a cop because I mistook them for another cop. That would be doing the same to them as they do to others. Not giving them a free drink is not the same things as committing extrajudicial executions.
I’m not even saying we shouldn’t serve them, I just feel uncomfortable with the training that overly praises them without addressing any real concerns or problems people have about police violence, and giving them free drinks.
Also I think you may have a more cynical view of cops than I do. Their job is to protect property and enforce laws regardless if you kiss their boots and give them free coffee. If they only protect property that praises them, they aren’t public servants, their a gang.
I’m not even saying we shouldn’t serve them, I just feel uncomfortable with the training that overly praises them without addressing any real concerns or problems people have about police violence, and giving them free drinks.
Also I think you may have a more cynical view of cops than I do. Their job is to protect property and enforce laws regardless if you kiss their boots and give them free coffee. If they only protect property that praises them, they aren’t public servants, their a gang.
mykotman12 2 points 3y ago
Saying all cops are bad because of the actions of few is the same as saying all Germans are bad because some were following the nazi party or all Hispanics are bad because some are in MS13 gang and so on. Every group of people (whether it’s based on occupation or race or class) has bad apples and we can’t discriminate against said group of people because of that.
Cops are not a gang. Their job is to protect and serve. Yes, some cops abuse the power and are generally had people. But because some cops are bad, I’m not gonna hate on all of the police force. I’ll give them free coffee if Starbucks wants me to. It’s my job to follow Starbucks policies. I’ll be respectful to all cops and treat them nicely...not because they are cops, but because they are humans just like me and you. If a cop I have free coffee to ends up being an asshole who shot somebody, I will lose respect for that PERSON, but I’m not gonna just write off the entire group of people just because of the action of few people in that group.
How would you feel if a barista shot a cop and after that all of the police force decided to hate on all baristas just because of this one action? How would you feel if a cop refused to save your life just because that one barista somewhere in this country killed a cop?
Cops are not a gang. Their job is to protect and serve. Yes, some cops abuse the power and are generally had people. But because some cops are bad, I’m not gonna hate on all of the police force. I’ll give them free coffee if Starbucks wants me to. It’s my job to follow Starbucks policies. I’ll be respectful to all cops and treat them nicely...not because they are cops, but because they are humans just like me and you. If a cop I have free coffee to ends up being an asshole who shot somebody, I will lose respect for that PERSON, but I’m not gonna just write off the entire group of people just because of the action of few people in that group.
How would you feel if a barista shot a cop and after that all of the police force decided to hate on all baristas just because of this one action? How would you feel if a cop refused to save your life just because that one barista somewhere in this country killed a cop?
MiS_Schuey 1 points 3y ago
Cops are here to protect us. 99.9% of all cops are good, just like everyone else. They are not "oppressors," and it makes me sad that some people see them that way. The .1% of bad/racist cops are awful, but they are not the norm and good cops should not be treated poorly because of them. FR, most cops join the force because they want to help people in their communities
dodofishman 8 points 3y ago
This is simply not true. The genesis of the modern police in the south was literally Slave Patrol. Police did not arise alongside civilization, they were invented in the 1830s to police Black communities and stamp out sex workers - social policing, not crime. These origins do not just go away. Over 40% of police officers have a record of domestic abuse, there is no one holding them accountable.
Over 2/3rds of the fired cops in my city has been rehired. 2/3rds. Not .1%. These are officers who have assaulted civilians, gotten multiple DWIs, domestic violence charges - all swept under the rug for our Boys in Blue. When I say I dislike cops its because they have chosen to be a part of that system. There are other mutual aid opportunities and ways in which you can help your community besides being a COP. As a Latina woman I feel uncomfortable around cops. ICE has a presence in my city. I went to a low income largely Black/Latino HS and saw hulking cops tackle and chokehold 16 year old kids on the concrete. So I hope yall can understand why some communities do not trust cops. They have never helped us.
Over 2/3rds of the fired cops in my city has been rehired. 2/3rds. Not .1%. These are officers who have assaulted civilians, gotten multiple DWIs, domestic violence charges - all swept under the rug for our Boys in Blue. When I say I dislike cops its because they have chosen to be a part of that system. There are other mutual aid opportunities and ways in which you can help your community besides being a COP. As a Latina woman I feel uncomfortable around cops. ICE has a presence in my city. I went to a low income largely Black/Latino HS and saw hulking cops tackle and chokehold 16 year old kids on the concrete. So I hope yall can understand why some communities do not trust cops. They have never helped us.
MiS_Schuey 4 points 3y ago
Do you have reliable sources for your statistics? I understand why some communities distrust cops, and I'm not saying that distrust comes without reason. But I think the vast majority of officers are good people who joined the force because they want to help. I know a good amount of cops, both personally and those who come through my cafe, and they are all good people. Sure, there are other ways to get involved, but you can't discount an entire profession because there are other professions out there that also serve communities. That is doing a disservice to those who became cops because they want to do good and change the system, and it contributes to the division in this country. Also, ICE is not the same thing as a city's police force, please don't take my comment as defending ICE. Thanks
ReEliseYT [OP] 5 points 3y ago
The stonewall riots, the reason we have pride parades, is a celebration of when queer people, especially trans women of color stood up against police violence. The other day two cops beat a black trans woman’s head against the ground when she was already in handcuffs, until her face was a bloody mess.
Police exist to enforce laws and protect property, that is it. It’s easy to say most police are good when you have never experienced discrimination or violence at their hands. People see me as a straight white girl, but my friends who have darker skin tones have had VERY different experiences. Just because cops have been nice to you specifically dose not mean that they are innocent of systemic injustices and horrific violence against the most marginalized and vulnerable groups in our country.
Police exist to enforce laws and protect property, that is it. It’s easy to say most police are good when you have never experienced discrimination or violence at their hands. People see me as a straight white girl, but my friends who have darker skin tones have had VERY different experiences. Just because cops have been nice to you specifically dose not mean that they are innocent of systemic injustices and horrific violence against the most marginalized and vulnerable groups in our country.
bbbuo 2 points 3y ago
I’m not sure what this has to do with serving people that are working in vulnerable work-environments, but I respect your opinion.
I hope you will find a place to see the best in people.
I hope you will find a place to see the best in people.
anantintheafterbirth 1 points 3y ago
99.9% is a gross overstatement
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particularBillarina 0 points 3y ago
Police are here to protect whites people, let’s be real ffs.
TinyTinasRabidOtter 22 points 3y ago
We have some absolutely amazing officers as regulars and I love them dearly. But overall as a whole.... It makes me so sad that the bad apples ruined the bunch. That those who go way over and above the call of duty to be kind and do their job with as little force needed now take the brunt of the bullshit.
Rupindah 8 points 3y ago
Oh man that training was hot garbage.
No dissenting opinions or other sides. One chief speaking of severe trauma (??) and then wanting normalcy. One token light skin black woman police officer so the panel looked diverse.
Asking for empathy and understanding. Okay, where’s the empathy and understanding for the people you arrest? The people you put in jail for traffic violations and minor drug violations? The people you essentially charge with “being too poor?”
I’m in training to be a 911 operator. I would never demand superior customer service simply because of what I had seen that day. You signed up for the job. If a snarky barista or a poor response from the public is enough to tip you over then you have a bigger problem.
No dissenting opinions or other sides. One chief speaking of severe trauma (??) and then wanting normalcy. One token light skin black woman police officer so the panel looked diverse.
Asking for empathy and understanding. Okay, where’s the empathy and understanding for the people you arrest? The people you put in jail for traffic violations and minor drug violations? The people you essentially charge with “being too poor?”
I’m in training to be a 911 operator. I would never demand superior customer service simply because of what I had seen that day. You signed up for the job. If a snarky barista or a poor response from the public is enough to tip you over then you have a bigger problem.
CreepingWax 3 points 3y ago
You’re training for a job where you’re basically those officers’ lifeline. I worked at Starbucks for 5 years then worked 911 dispatch for 4 years and never once felt negatively about any of our responders.
Rupindah 1 points 3y ago
I don’t feel negatively towards police officers. I feel negatively towards how policing has become an institution to protect property and the 1%. Officers should be community representatives, not a tool for the city or state or country to enforce laws that are designed to imprison black and brown people.
thelesbianbarista 7 points 3y ago
I totally understand where you’re coming from as I too dislike the idea of treating police like they’re on a pedestal. But, at the end of the day if a cop comes in for coffee, whether we give them good service or a free tall hot coffee isn’t going to change what kind of person they are. So if they are one of the “bad ones” they will continue to be that and If they are a “good one” then we just made someone’s day like with any other nice customer, assume positive intent right?
GregThePrettyGoodGuy 6 points 3y ago
Yes, very much so
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maddyyy13 4 points 3y ago
Did you hear about the recent incident in Riverside, CA where Starbucks baristas refused to serve cops? My sbux is a couple cities away from where it happened and it was a huge deal. I think maybe the training had something to do with that. Personally, I am a cop supporter due to the location of my sbux. And I know all my partners are as well. We work in a city with an overwhelming amount of gang activity, drug users, violent homeless, and sexual trafficking. The police department in this city is severely underfunded and with the amount of crime we get, the police officers are greatly appreciated. We often have to call 911 at least once or twice a week due to an incident at our store. I believe the majority of police officers are good people who are just doing their job, which is enforcing the law. However, I am aware of those who abuse their power and use it to harm innocent people. Obviously I’m speaking from my own interactions with cops, I am aware everyone has their experiences to speak of.
TinyItalian 4 points 3y ago
I don’t judge all police by the acts of some police. I’ve met and known some straight up awesome police officers who were genuine people. Yes, police are people too and their job is hard AF, seriously. I have respect for what they do and what they go through. I’m angered by the shootings and harassment that have continuously happened over time, too. But it wouldn’t be fair to judge police as a whole entity. Respect is given until you give a reason not to.
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c_reckless35 -5 points 3y ago
You should treat them like every other customer, with kindness and a smile. But if they want a cup of coffee it should be free of charge. I think it should be that way for paramedics and fire fighters as well. They protect us, its the least thing we can do
anantintheafterbirth 11 points 3y ago
If we’re to treat them like every other customer would that not include having them pay for their own goods, as well?
c_reckless35 4 points 3y ago
"You should treat them like every other customer, with kindness and a smile"
anantintheafterbirth 5 points 3y ago
“But if they want a cup of coffee it should be free of charge”??
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MiS_Schuey 7 points 3y ago
Making a broad statement like this helps delegitimize those cops who do good and are trying to improve the system
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