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Is there a way to file a complaint about a fellow partner? (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by gothavocado
I don’t want to use his real name so for that I’ll just say his name is Fred.

Fred is an older man who works at my store, he seems to be a little out there, has clearly had a rough life, and he’s just kinda different. I can’t understand him fully, but I try to be nice to him. No one else but me would cover his shift when his dog died so I pulled a double which is something I swore off for my own sake.

But. He has been working at my store for 1 year now. And his behavior at work has never been worse & is *not* improving.

He has never been on bar - he refuses to learn any drinks & just stays on register or warming. When you put him on bar he takes 10 minutes to make 1 drink bc he asks you questions every single step, even if it’s the same drink he just made 2 minutes ago.

Fine. Bar isn’t everyone’s strong suit.

When he’s on warming though, he touches all the food on accident with his hands but won’t say anything unless you call him out on it. You also walk over to constantly find like a bacon gouda & a sausage cheddar in the same oven together. Okay he wants to move faster & is embarrassed that he’s not, then just say something & admit that you were wrong to continually put wrong food in & hit the wrong buttons on warming. But he won’t do that. He just says “Oh I know!” & moves on like he didn’t do anything.

So that leaves register (cafe only store - very busy with mobiles though!!! We keep up with our drive thrus in district for sales!!)

When he’s on register, he rings drinks in WRONG all the time. Because he doesn’t ask clarifying questions. Or, because he again refuses to be on bar so he doesn’t even know what’s in most of our drinks! Even fellow partners he’ll mess up our orders. The amount of times I have been rung up by him & asked for a Venti of whatever & a fellow bar partner hands me a Tall 🙄🙄🙄 we just stare at each other like “Fred on register?” “Fred on register”.

So now he’s not good on bar, register, or warming.

I can’t put him on support because then he’s either doing nothing at all or the absolute craziest stuff. I have now caught him beating our card reader twice with his fists & when I asked why he told me “well this fixes it every time I have a problem with it” so now I know why our card readers have been acting wonky for two weeks now!!!

I’m a new shift & every day I have fellow partners saying he’s messing stuff up, or not doing anything at all but singing when they’re running around like crazy because we’re 15 minutes behind on our mobile orders.

He loves to just stand by register or out in the lobby while he’s on Hand Off & sing really loudly while doing absolutely no work at all.

My problem is the customers LOVE him!!! Because they just see a man who is singing in the lobby all the time. A customer emailed corporate literally just last week about how great Fred is! And all of our reviews on our store on google are Fred is so fun Fred is so kind - none about him actually doing his job well. The customers don’t see the man who is NOT doing a single role at the store correctly or efficiently in any manner, and it’s making all of our jobs more stressful!

How is this acceptable behavior when it is every single day????

My own manager is sick of it but Fred refuses to change his behavior & at this point I want him either fired or transferred!!! Or I’ll transfer because I can no longer handle this strain on my mental health.

I will appreciate any suggestions for how to handle a fellow partner who’s behavior has been a strain to you and what you did to change it!
NOTcreative- 66 points 3y ago
Not really much to report. This is really on your SM to have a conversation with them and follow up with corrective action if Fred really does refuse to learn. I would have a conversation with your SM to ask what y’all are doing to support and work on his development because he is currently unable to fulfill the job requirements.
gothavocado [OP] 19 points 3y ago
Okay, thank you. I’ll definitely try using this wording for sure - talking about how to help with his development at the store and whatnot - that might help at least so I don’t sound so “but he’s just not doing anything” 🤣
NOTcreative- 15 points 3y ago
Definitely a tactful way to go about it with you SM and the partner in question. Also get the rest of the team on bored supporting them. If everyone around them is complaining about them it will make things more difficult. You’re a leader in your store now, lead with positivity and compassion and it’ll make your job much easier. Good luck!
lilBalzac 60 points 3y ago
How is this guy not an SM by now?
RunTheWatchOver 49 points 3y ago
He probably doesn't leave early enough
shouldvewroteitdown 17 points 3y ago
Doesn’t spend enough time just chillin in the back either
G37_is_numberletter 15 points 3y ago
Omfg yall. Too early to be wheezing.
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gothavocado [OP] 6 points 3y ago
Wow. Thank you SO much.

I really struggle with wording things well, especially when I’m frustrated so these scenarios you laid out are REALLY helpful for me.

I will definitely be trying my best to use this coaching method with him moving forward, and *hopefully* things will start improving.

I really really thank you for writing all that out, I’ve screenshotted & will be discussing with my SM, ASM or another shift starting tomorrow, thank you 🙏🏻
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perfecktenschlog 2 points 3y ago
this is a really amazing way to deal w it. i’m a shift myself and still struggling w coaching difficult partners so this is really great. thanks !
Gucci0313 17 points 3y ago
Starbucks isn’t for everyone, 3 written documentation’s for the same behavior is legally cause for separation. Just be sensitive. Sounds like he may have some development challenges. Good luck
rileyabsolutely 7 points 3y ago
This is a great point that I didn’t even think of, and often times people need more or different support for these roles but the people around them do not have the tools to assist them!
gothavocado [OP] 5 points 3y ago
I just don’t know how to ask him anymore like “how do I help?” It’s been a year. Because his response to everything is “Oh I know.” I don’t want to be rude & hurt his feelings but I also need him to understand a lot of the stuff he’s doing harms not only other partners but it’s not health standard sometimes!
_Pulltab_ 4 points 3y ago
If you coach him on something and he says, “Oh, I know” it should be documented and then when he does it again, he should be given a formal warning. If it continues, he needs to go. Your SM should be handling this - you just need to coach and provide your SM with the documentation. If she isn’t, then she’s your problem, not Fred.
mamma_burrito 1 points 3y ago
I’d then be asking if he knows why, then why is it continuing to happen and what does he think he needs to do to fix the issue. Not a fun conversation and it’s my least fav part of being a ssv.
thatsmysharpie 12 points 3y ago
You need to document everything. When you notice an issue, when you speak to him about it, when your manager speaks to him about it, how long the changes lasted until he goes back to his old ways.
implicates_ 8 points 3y ago
well damn
garlicrotini 8 points 3y ago
I would say call partner resources?? I’m not sure, I feel you on this though :( have you talked to your SM about it?
gothavocado [OP] 10 points 3y ago
I have talked to my SM about it. She’ll talk to him, & then his behavior will maybe change for 1 shift. Then the second I’m running the next shift he’ll go right back to all of these negative behaviors
garlicrotini 10 points 3y ago
I would say go to partner resources and then they’re probably going to encourage you to talk to your DM as well. That’s seriously not okay and your frustrations are totally valid. Best of luck!!!
gothavocado [OP] 4 points 3y ago
Thank you 😭
uncharted_adventures 5 points 3y ago
Is it possible that Fred struggles with something you can't see like a learning disability, asd or other impairment.... If so there is a way to reach Fred but the typical tactics will likely fail. It's up to your sm or partner resource team to offer education to Fred in a manner which is effective and constructive. I would point out issues to your boss and ask them to provide training to Fred, if the matter is still not resolved then free needs to go back into training until he can master the basics of being a team player.
Soreynotsari 2 points 3y ago
I had the same thought. It sounds like some empathy and compassion for Fred would go a long way. People forget to that having a diverse workforce also includes finding ways to embrace people who aren’t neurotypical and coming up with strategies for everybody to succeed.
gothavocado [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I definitely will suggest more training! Thank you! I don’t even mind doing it myself, I just need a change for my store’s sake soon! Hopefully more and more training can maybe be the start to fixing all of this
mhgl 3 points 3y ago
Hey, I think I know this guy. He has grey hair and is from South Africa. He’s friendly but too friendly so every order takes twenty minutes to complete.

He’s the reason I exclusively mobile order now.
gothavocado [OP] 4 points 3y ago
Uh no lol he’s not from South Africa, but ya know I know those kind of “too friendly” people lol 😂
dahmerpalms 3 points 3y ago
I’m sorry to say, but it seems like you’re going to be dealing with this for as long as Fred wants to stick around. Starbucks is all about customer connections right now - and if customers love him, he ain’t going anywhere
gothavocado [OP] 2 points 3y ago
My fear exactly. I’m so scared he loves it here so much he’ll never quit. I almost would rather quit if I can’t transfer because I can’t handle this lazy behavior anymore, I’m doing 3 people’s jobs all because this man can’t do his 1. And he never apologizes or tries to fix it. In fact he’ll snap at me like “I’m sorry *you’re* in a bad mood today” if I try to correct him too much in one day

I’m so mad that Starbucks cares more about customer connection than how an entire stores moral is in the dumpster because of this one partner whose making all of our lives harder because we have to pick up the slack.
dahmerpalms 4 points 3y ago
I totally understand. Sorry you’re having this problem, I’m sending you good vibes. Hopefully where you are, customers are understanding of the longer waits lately and you can just take a deep breathe and think “Fred is Fred and nothing can change it”. Keep correcting him nicely as I’m sure you do. But try to accept

If you can’t, there might be a way to convince the manager to start writing him up for his mistakes. Perhaps your manager feels like he’s the reason for extra MoC points, and maybe if you can convince your partners to step up their game with connections, they will feel better about the prospect of letting him go? Not sure. Good luck either way ☺️
JHOOOOBI 1 points 3y ago
I mean If he has THAT attitude you can always tactfully pull him aside and let him know that if he can’t do his job to the extent of their requirements he can go home because it’s unfair for his coworkers to have to do his job as well when they aren’t being paid for it.
gothavocado [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I actually send him home quite a lot & have noticed other shifts also will send him home a lot. But our hours are all being cut like crazy already so that’s not sustainable, I’m just gonna be cracking down on training & talking to my SM about corrective action because his attitude is what’s making this unbearable
rileyabsolutely 3 points 3y ago
It’s difficult I know, but what I do with stuff like that is get on the SM like a dog with a bone.

“What’s going on with Fred? He needs serious coaching, something’s gotta give. I can’t be the only one doing it, and it’s unfair to everyone at the store that he is allowed to be so incompetent and they are expected to make up his work.”

If your SM is reasonable and rational,this should work. If not, well.....crap.
gothavocado [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO COMMENTED ON THIS POST

I apologize if my language or wording is super aggressive or insensitive sounding about my coworker - this was written after yet another very long stressful day with Fred :)

I am working on my coaching with Fred & TRYING my best to take into account his needs and ALL THE WONDERFUL ADVICE YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN. So thank you. Working with my SM & ASM to hopefully create a change for the better in my store with Fred’s work behavior to help change the stores mood to be more positive & productive for everyone :)
Br1B3an 2 points 3y ago
I am very late to this.
THIS FUCKER SINGS IN THE LOBBY??
As a fellow barista, that would make me mad and uncomfortable.
As a customer to other Starbucks, that would make me uncomfortable.. there is a time and a place...
gothavocado [OP] 2 points 3y ago
This comment made me laugh so hard lol thank you But yeah, after a lot of talking with my SM & ASM we have discussed a lot of Fred’s behaviors & one of them is we have been asking him to “dial it down a few clicks” when he wants to sing or whatever in the lobby. He isn’t going to stop but damn we all have had enough of his singing when we’re just trying to catch up on the bajillion Mobile orders were behind on or ya know maybe try ringing in the 20 customers that just walked in & not just singing to yourself, huh Fred??? 🙃 anyways sorry for my mini rant but yeah, it’s aggravating. Your comment made me laugh tho “this fucker sings in the lobby???” 😂😭
Br1B3an 2 points 3y ago
I mean, don't get me wrong when i need a little pick me up, i sing to myself on bar. Sometimes, the only way to get my coworkers' attention is to hit them with the "you are my fire" then when they finish the verse they check in and see what's up. But umm no one is ever playing American Idol in the lobby. I am irritated just by hearing about it! I say, the next time he starts singing ask him "hey, who sings this song?" And when he responds with the artist's name reply with "ohh so you should let them sing it" or something along those lines. That's what i would do at least. But i am kinda snarky..
gothavocado [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Ugh no he’s a very sensitive guy, which is why coaching is not going well with him on a lot of the more significant issues I have with his work behavior (like not knowing how to do Batista basics but still getting defensive af when you just want to teach) so 🙄 the singing is the least of my worries, honestly when he starts singing I usually just go with the “hey Fred what are you working on?” & he’ll stop singing immediately (usually)
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kamiko_k96 2 points 3y ago
I could have written this about a partner from the store I worked at before I quit. He could only be on register, and even then, he couldn't find all the buttons after over a year of being in the same position every shift. He consistently rang customers up incorrectly, even regulars. And if you tried to help or explain the mistake, he would get offended.

One time, he rang up a drink for a regular, and I noticed it wasn't what she normally got, so I asked him for clarification, as she wasn't at the bar for me to ask her myself. He got annoyed and said yes, this is what she ordered. She didn't speak great English, so I explained that I understood if maybe there was a misunderstanding, but I'd never seen her order anything else, and this seemed similar, but not quite what she normally wants. He doubled down and I just made it because I didn't want to keep wasting time.

Turns out, I was right, and the drink was rung up wrong (and it was more expensive than her normal order) so I had to remake it. I confronted him about it when things slowed down a bit, to try to explain what she does normally get so this issue wouldn't occur again and if there was any trouble in the future, I would be willing to help (I didn't have as much trouble understanding her as some of my other partners, so I often was asked to take her order if she ordered more than her usual items). But instead of take my help, he just said snarkily, "you weren't at the register, I was. You wouldn't know what she said". And I said, fair, but she ended up wanting exactly what she normally gets. But he didn't let it go.

From that point on, I lost a lot more respect for him and it made it a lot harder for me to assume the best or stick up for him when other partners or customers complained about him.

I'm sorry you're going though this. Hopefully some of the advice on this thread will help out and changes will be made, either on Fred's end, or management's. Best of luck!
snidejenner 1 points 3y ago
As far as putting two different sandwiches in the warmer at the same time, honestly who the fuck cares? I did this from time to time when I was warming and we were really busy. Most sandwiches are in for about the same amount of time anyway. This isnt a great example of why he sucks at warming.

You're not gonna like this but are people coaching him? Telling him how to do his job since thats your responsibility as supervisor? To coach in the moment?
gothavocado [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I just spent an hour today working with my ASM on my coaching so hopefully I can word things in a better way to him!

And you’re right, the diff sandwiches isn’t the best example it was just the most recent one that I kept seeing him repeat so I mentioned it first.
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