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Yall hate cold foam on hot drinks; I got curious and tested whip vs VSC foam on hot drinks (i.redd.it)
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nicathor [OP] 208 points 2y ago
R5: So, I too always roll my eyes when I get a hot drink with cold foam, but a post someone made yesterday really blew up with everyone ranting how much they hate cold foam on hot drinks and how whip is the better option cuz the cold foam will obviously just melt. So I got bored and tested how quickly the cold foam would melt in, short answer: it doesn't.

An hour later the foam still hadn't melted in, and the whip not only melted, it completely separated and looked disgusting.
ea374616 67 points 2y ago
Cold foam > whipped cream anyday, idc what the arguement is. @ me
zydr8te 51 points 2y ago
Cold foam is better on some things, but it is annoying as it isn't pre-made and takes like five extra steps
RICKYOURPOISIN 23 points 2y ago
I mean the most annoying are the almond milk ones but anything with vscf is easy at it’s just foaming the sweet cream which you already have ready not 5 extra steps.
aliennegirl 13 points 2y ago
I agree. I’ll put vsccf on everything all day, idc. 🤷🏼‍♀️ But I also genuinely love making Frappuccinos, even when it’s busy, so that might be part of it.
zydr8te 12 points 2y ago
Cf: Grab blender, pour, push button, pour, rinse pitcher

Wc: grab whip, squeeze, put whip down

In busy time, cold foam is as annoying as a frap
ea374616 0 points 2y ago
Have you ever dealt w our IN HOUSE MADE whipped creams? Bottles clanking and falling, gaskets not being double checked, metal chargers falling everywhere (not to mention the trash waste w how many whips are made in a single day), PLUS the vanilla pumps were halved so now it just smells like raw beef.

It takes like a few seconds for me to throw liquid in a blender to 100 mL and add a few pumps of syrup, powders, strawberry puree etc.

I have actual hate for our whipped creams.
USplendid 6 points 2y ago
Cold foam on a hot bar beverage doubles - or sometimes triples - the amount of time it takes to make said beverage.

It also forced the baristas to visit 2+ crafting stations for one drink and can double the wait time at the cold bar drink queue. As the cold foam has to be sequenced in between other orders.

While it’s not the *end of the world* in my book, I still feel like I both understand the baristas frustration and why the $1 mark-up warranted. Not every location has multiple blenders, the storage space or even the coverage/labor to keep up with this trend.
ea374616 2 points 2y ago
If you need to move far for your drink making, your store needs a bar reorganization!
That $1 charge for the foams is sweeeeeet. I like when people get surprised by their (in my state) $8.03 venti iced white mocha, sweet cream foam, and extra caramel drizz lmaoooo.
And you will once they crank more of these drinks out. I heard they are keeping just the sweet cold foam (?) and so more drinks w this are def coming out in the future.
real-3st 1 points 2y ago
if it doesn't melt it means it stays cold on top. cold heavy cream on the surface of a hot drink will develop its bacteria growth to the point its unsafe by 2 hours, which is why we make sure the cream gets incorporated or melts. the argument is that we tell them it melts when the reality is we have to hold our customers hand for them. most people tend not to finish their drinks 2 hours i guess? its also a huuuuuuuge hassle to walk to brewing station one side of the whole store to the cold bar usually located on the other.
jams1015 1 points 2y ago
I am going to do the same experiment again, bc we did it at our store and had opposite results, lol. Our foam sort of clotted and separated and made the drink look shitty almost immediately, the whip just looked like shiny and lubed whip for longer, then eventually did the same (separated and melted).
moon_light523 1 points 2y ago
Question: what setting did you blend it on? Ppl at my store blend it on different settings so I wonder if that has to do with it.
Twentysixounces 183 points 2y ago
I’ll get downvoted for this but it is what it is. No one hates cold foam for the taste, active duration, consistency or density properties. Everyone hates cold foam because it’s annoying as fuck when people add a labor intensive finishing build to what is an arguably already easy existing finish by standard. Motherfuckers are lazy and it’s easy as shit to dollop that whip on top instead making every fucking drink in the blender. Also, Tik Tok is for fucking squares.
sarah1591 26 points 2y ago
I especially agree this that last sentence. 😂
noir_fae -5 points 2y ago
Also a food safety hazard
Ashesremindme 4 points 2y ago
It is not a food safety hazard. If we put cold whip on top of or cream into hot drinks, how is that any different than cold foam?
noir_fae -1 points 2y ago
It has to do with the amount .... a small layer of whip vs a 1/4 inch of milk
Ashesremindme 2 points 2y ago
I feel like if it were true it would be a company standard that we are not allowed to put cold foam on hot drinks, every store. I think it's just an idea that sounds plausible that some stores use to justify not doing it. Don't get me wrong, I am more than happy to not have to put cold foam on yet more drinks, but I don't believe that it is a hazard. I'd love to see a study that backs it up, rather than "this is what I was told."
[deleted] -2 points 2y ago
Real question. What is the difference in taste/feel between the cold foam and the whipped cream? I stopped getting cold foam at my regular store because I was getting a hunch that they were just using whipped cream instead.
moon_light523 6 points 2y ago
Really? At my store, even when we don’t like making it we still do bc it’s what the person wants. Also, they’re almost exactly the same but the sweet cream has a little 2% milk in it whereas the whipped cream is only heavy cream
[deleted] 3 points 2y ago
That makes sense. I normally order a vanilla sweet cream cold brew and then (sorry) add normal cold foam (I also tip every time because I know it’s a pain), and I think maybe they’re misreading and putting the sweet cream cold foam on instead of the regular. But the foam is sweet every time and I don’t think it should be!
boxcarbrains 3 points 2y ago
Try asking for non fat cold foam, it’ll make it catch their attention lol
annaxsmile 3 points 2y ago
regular cold foam has 2 pumps of vanilla in it so it should be sweet
moon_light523 3 points 2y ago
Yeah that sounds like they’re making it wrong (no offense to the ppl working there lol). You shouldn’t worry about ordering it though!! Especially cause your drink is a cold brew, it isn’t weird at all to get cold foam on it imo.
drinkliquidclocks 2 points 2y ago
Yeah no one orders regular foam anymore so we kind of assume it's sweet cream foam at my store, especially if it's in a VSC cold brew. They're probably just giving you sweet cream foam, not whip

Btw it's not a pain to add cold foam to a cold brew. Cold foam was created for cold brews, you're doing the normal thing.
hopelovepeace33 177 points 2y ago
Yea but the VSC needs to be made exactly right to make it that nice thick foam & different people don’t make it all that great to where it stays nice, thick, & fluffy.
dwightshru 59 points 2y ago
i’m different people lmao
ukucello 52 points 2y ago
I have noticed that when the sweet cream is getting toward the bottom of the pitcher, it just loses it's ability to foam up nicely. My theory is that the 2% sinks to the bottom and the heavy cream floats. Just a theory, though.
imeanitpeanut 22 points 2y ago
If you make it in a cube and stir it with a whisk it lasts longer. That being said I think that sweet cream should be dated for 24 hours because that’s about how long it has before it separates,
kandiwarriorprincess 10 points 2y ago
I foam it on 4 in those situations. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t 😂 definitely a separation issue and super annoying
ukucello 6 points 2y ago
Usually I will use the backup for foam and reserve the current one for sweet cream cold brews. Or, sometimes if you blend it on 3 two or three times it ends up being good enough
hopelovepeace33 3 points 2y ago
I usually foam the sweet cream on 4 anyways because 3 never foams it in it just makes it all bubbly at least from my experience. There’s one lady at my store who always makes perfect sweet cream and it’s because she actually measure it out. Other people either don’t measure it out of don’t stir it but when we get the sweet cream made by the evening crew in the morning it’s awful & don’t down at all.
lewabwee 2 points 2y ago
Yeah I actually started blending it on 4 on accident but once someone pointed it out to me I realized why I hadn’t been having problems with the foam being too runny.
bigtiddieindiegf 2 points 2y ago
I usually just foam it twice when it starts to separate
Snugglypuss 2 points 2y ago
Yes I always tried to shake it. But. No one had standards at my store. So I was alone on my battle
not-your-avg-duck 1 points 2y ago
It’s the opposite, the syrup and heavy cream are heavier so they sink, the 2% is what aerates so well.
boxcarbrains 1 points 2y ago
When it gets near the end I start blending on 4 lol
bman14613 -14 points 2y ago
Heavy cream would sink lol
ukucello 16 points 2y ago
Well in any case, I think it's separating. The cream just doesn't foam when it's the last 1/4 of the pitcher.

EDIT: I looked it up, and it appears that cream does, indeed, float in milk. I was pretty sure it did.
coffeesparklez 7 points 2y ago
Nah, fat floats.
bman14613 -13 points 2y ago
The milk mixes together and the vanilla goes to the bottom it’s not oil and water lol
wildsinnersangel 1 points 2y ago
sometimes you gotta double blend honestly. some people don’t mix enough when they are prepping the vsc
royrogersmacfreely 0 points 2y ago
The answer to that is f*** the recipe and add like a quarter liter more of heavy cream
PM-ME-BAKED-GOODS 62 points 2y ago
I love this, thank you for performing the experiment we've all been needing
DaybreakNightfall 47 points 2y ago
Whip is just super aerated cream. It makes sense that it would deflate more than vsc which is aerated to a lesser degree when you blend it.
gabbysafari 42 points 2y ago
i wonder if leaving the lids off might’ve affected this? maybe try another trial with the lids on since it’ll keep a lot more heat in. whip normally melts when sitting out, even on cold drinks, so in curious about how lids might affect them on hot drinks
isglitteracolor 9 points 2y ago
Agreed, on a hot drink with a lid whip is gone within five minutes at most. I’m betting the cold foam would last longer but still melt fairly quickly
sad_barista2401 2 points 2y ago
Curious how is it a food hazard?
isglitteracolor 9 points 2y ago
I didn’t say it was? But technically cold topping on warm drink gets it to the temperature danger zone faster than an all hot or all cold drink would get there, meaning faster opportunity for bacterial growth.
sad_barista2401 4 points 2y ago
I was trying to @ the other person sorry but thank you
noir_fae 1 points 2y ago
Your taking a drink that’s 160 degrees and placing what could be considered a large quantity of cold milk , I want to say our fridges are in 40’s( maybe 50’s) into said drink . This lowers the overall temperature into that which according to food safety standards is a breeding ground for bacteria.

*this information was received by my shifts, one whom has over 10 years of experience and is in a coffee master and district barista champion.

Also going to be conducting tests soon to verify this research.

Also think why Starbucks never had created nor promoted a drink with Cold foam on it
InsertAliasHere7589 6 points 2y ago
Danger zone ends at 140 degrees Fahrenheit. Typically, milk is perfectly fine up to two hours even in the danger zone between 40° and 140°. It doesn't matter how quickly your drink cools down, but instead HOW LONG it stays below 140°. Putting cold foam in hot drinks poses no more threat than whipped cream or steaming milk at 135° for kids. By the way, your refrigerators should not be in the forties or fifties. That actually is a food safety hazard.
throwawayacc12131415 3 points 2y ago
Actually, where I’m from we had a hot matcha latte topped with cold taro foam for a while. The bacteria thing would be an issue for a place where hygiene standards aren’t very high, so maybe that’s why that drink only came to certain countries...
Remi-Chan 1 points 2y ago
Wdym starbucks never created or promoted a cold foam drink? We have salted caramel cold foam cold brew, irish cream cold brew, dark cocoa almondmilk cold brew etc, unless you mean hot drinks with cold foam and i just misunderstood
noir_fae -7 points 2y ago
But doing so you are creating a food safety hazard
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Seriously_jst_4real 35 points 2y ago
Honestly. I don't like it because 1) it's an extra step. 2) The cold foam blender is not close/conveniently located by the espresso bars. 3) It is conveniently located by the cold brew/iced coffee taps/curtis-so then you're in the way or waiting for the person making iced drinks to get out of the way.
But perhaps, that's just my store's floor layout.
RareGull 4 points 2y ago
In my store the cold bar is a few feet behind the hot bar. It’s very close, and cramped. Also apparently in the middle of construction they decided to put cold brew in there so the Curtis, cold brew/nitro taps are in the drive thru. It’s a very weird layout. It used to be a small gas station apparently.
perfecktenschlog 18 points 2y ago
as a side note you’re leaving way too much room for whip 🤷🏼‍♀️
normaldud 14 points 2y ago
You do know the rule about how we are not allowed to pour hot beverages over ice because the temperature change creates a bacteria that can make you sick? The same thing happens when you do this with vsc foam on top of a hot beverage. Whip being more aerated makes it less likely. Before you defend something just before it tastes better, take a step back and look at it from this perspective. I personally don’t want my location to be known to get someone sick, but you do you I guess.
givemeapples 6 points 2y ago
How do you make an iced London fog tea latte?
normaldud 1 points 2y ago
Steep 1/2/2 earl gray tea bags in a short cup, 3/4/6 pumps of vanilla in the shaker, I pour earl gray to tea line, milk to the water juice line add ice and shake
givemeapples 1 points 2y ago
And thats good enough for the temperature change from hot to cold?
InsertAliasHere7589 5 points 2y ago
Big difference between milk being steamed above 140°F then "rechilled", and putting cold milk on top of hot milk. Either way, the drink should be consumed in a timely manner as to not get anyone sick. Unless they let their drink sit for two hours before they drink it, they are in no danger and your store would never be held responsible.
FreeeeezeYourBraain 1 points 2y ago
We pour hot beverages over ice literally every day... ?????
normaldud 0 points 2y ago
You pour hot lattes over ice?
FreeeeezeYourBraain 3 points 2y ago
You're being dense on purpose.
normaldud 1 points 2y ago
That’s what I meant by hot beverages, I’m sorry I didn’t specify.
Sarahthelizard 13 points 2y ago
That looks like a bit more room than I'd leave tho..

Can't argue with that evidence tho.
daeaglesaint 11 points 2y ago
this is rather interesting..
Js_On_My_Yeet 10 points 2y ago
If anything the thing I would be angry about is having to take extra steps to make the foam. Idk just me.
chiile-anyways_uhm 10 points 2y ago
Okay congrats, the cold foam on your hot drink stays on forever. But like... why haven’t you drank the damn thing by 30 minutes of having it??? You’re already making the drink warm by adding a cold foam to a hot beverage... now you’re leaving it sit or not fully consumed for several minutes... shits gonna be cold as heck. You might as well just get a cold drink at that point. And cold foam doesn’t look to be melting in from the top but when you get an iced drink with a clear cup, you can see that the thickness of the foam goes down. Meaning that it melts from bottom to top, leaving the very topmost layer of foam still sitting there. Sorry to break it to you, but you don’t still have a full thing of foam on top of your drink😂
T00lf00l1991 7 points 2y ago
A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts
JMarBrwn 7 points 2y ago
Had a long rant typed out, but decided it wasn’t worth it.

So instead I say,

why?
Just....why?

I’ve been working here way too long holy shit.
kdotye 6 points 2y ago
Whip is made with literal nitrogen. So it really doesn’t hold together with temperature changes. Like haven’t y’all had a Frappuccino sit out for awhile before
FreeeeezeYourBraain 2 points 2y ago
What do you mean? Whip being made with Nitrogen doesn't explain why it melts so fast afaik.
kdotye 1 points 2y ago
It’s air.
tinydesthique 6 points 2y ago
makes sense but who’s going to finish their drink in 30 minutes lmao. imagine just leaving a latte with vsccf out for 30 minutes and the drink gets cold. this is great that you put this here but honestly, i wouldn’t pay an extra dollar for smthng that’s made alike to whipped cream that i’m gonna drink in legit a few mins (5-10 mins) if i’m being quite honest.
ThatOtherGuyTPM 6 points 2y ago
Isn’t the topping mixing into the drink the entire point?
scubadoobydoo131 2 points 2y ago
Cold foam is actually meant for the silky and slightly frothy consistency and mean to drink from the top down not mixed in. If someone wants the sweet cream flavor mixed in they could just ask for us to pour it in and mix it up a bit, making cold foam is completely pointless if you’re going to mix it in anyways. Same with whipped cream on hot drinks for the most part.

I get a little upset when people ask for me to make cold foam for their drink only to mix it in with a straw seconds later 🤦‍♀️ that extra step for nothing lol.
InsertAliasHere7589 6 points 2y ago
Exactly this! Anytime someone orders their hot drink with vsccf, I tell them that we could just add vsc without foaming it. Most of them had no idea that was an option since most customers don't know how we make the drinks. It's our job to give the customer what they want but also to inform them. I see people mix cold foam into cold drinks as well. When I see that, I tell them the same thing.
baristaabitchh 5 points 2y ago
The other day I just said fuck it and poured the vsc on top instead of making foam just to see if they’d say anything. I haven’t had a complaint yet 😂
Jadenvicious1 5 points 2y ago
Don't encourage them, they'll never leave.
kklynn901 4 points 2y ago
But i think vsccf melts into the drink more and makes the drink cold, where whipped cream just floats on top and it’s thicker so it doesn’t mix
finkenstein_ 3 points 2y ago
My cup is half full! I need three free drinks!
NapalmBarista 3 points 2y ago
cant fucking debate this at all. good shit
noir_fae 9 points 2y ago
Debate this ! By placing the foam on top of the drink you are lowering the overall temperature creating a breeding ground for bacteria
NapalmBarista 5 points 2y ago
You make a good point. I guess we would have to do another test just like the OP but focus on the temperature of the two drinks, along with a control (no topping). If you’re up for it, i’d be down to do some tests on it and we can just average out our results.
noir_fae 3 points 2y ago
Definitely!
InsertAliasHere7589 1 points 2y ago
Okay so what about putting cold cream in coffee? Same thing. Not dangerous!
Arases2121 2 points 2y ago
Just add more heavy cream to the pitcher! It won’t separate like the actual recipe does
noir_fae 2 points 2y ago
It’s actually a health hazard to do this. The amount of cold milk going into a hot drinks risks moving the drink. Into an unsafe temperature zone
rollerderbydyke 2 points 2y ago
But also if you don't down your latte within 10 minutes then just get it iced lmao
amalia13lightning 2 points 2y ago
I'VE BEEN SAYING THE COLD FOAM IS BETTER THAN WHIP AND Y'ALL DIDN'T BELIEVE ME
TwoDallas 1 points 10m ago
what is the recipe for making the cold foam last so long? thank you
jeweledmoon 1 points 1y ago
Can someone give me the recipe to this please :( all my cold foams keeps sinking to the bottom of hot espressos, as if it was creamer. God I’d be so thankful for some tips
KSass94 1 points 2y ago
But it’s a whole dollar to add!
softneedle 1 points 2y ago
But people will still call and complain that their hot drink was cold, even though they asked for an inch of cold cream foam on top
YellowSphinx 1 points 2y ago
This reminds me of the one time I bought a slushie drink from sonic. I left the whipped cream cause I didn’t like it. I went downstairs for 3 hours and when I came back up it was still intact. I thought that was icky. Anyway. Cool experiment. My drinks never stick around more than 10 minutes though
kvntress666 1 points 2y ago
I hate cold foam on every drink if I have to make it 🤣
Vosstonmass1 1 points 2y ago
I think when they extended the shelf life from 24 to 48 hours that it effects the quality of the foaming power after the first 24 hours. Just an opinion but it’s based on tons of research over the past year.
FM_Casper 1 points 2y ago
People who put cold foam on hot drinks should not be drinking foamy drinks, I don't trust them.
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Allison_82 0 points 2y ago
Every time I’ve put VSCCF on a hot drink it sinks, how did you make this work??
Tacenda20 2 points 2y ago
Right?! This is what I am wondering! No matter how thick and smooth I blend the foam it sinks...
noir_fae 2 points 2y ago
You don’t , it’s a health hazard
noir_fae 3 points 2y ago
Also our new whip recipe deflates faster
brigglite89 -8 points 2y ago
The real question is does the cold foam keep the drink hotter longer...?
Good_Viibes 3 points 2y ago
Please say sike
noir_fae 1 points 2y ago
No... you are placing a large amount of cold milk into a hot beverage . It will cause the temp of the drink to shift drastically, actually creating a health hazard
noir_fae -2 points 2y ago
THANK YOU !!!! the only person on the thread who is actually of food safety standards
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