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Starbucks Baristas: The daily grind

Full History - 2021 - 07 - 22 - ID#opm8hn
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Pay secrecy (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by Accomplished_Chef_14
So this isn’t about me, but another partner who had to go to our dm to talk about a pay raise because she moved from another state to California and has been with the company for 5 years and should be making a lot more money than base pay in our area. In talking to our dm she brought up her concerns and brought up the fact that she is aware that other baristas with less time with the company are making significantly more than her and the DM proceeded to tell her that it’s actually not allowed to discuss pay with other employees and she shouldn’t be talking to others about it. Which is ILLEGAL. She told the dm that it was illegal for her to say that and there are federal and state law that are in place to prevent companies from doing that to employees. Our dm then told her she was wrong and the barista ended up hanging up and messaging her the exact laws and our dm left her on read. I am wondering if anyone has advice on what to do about this issue.
New_Consequence_5184 200 points 2y ago
Report her to partner resources immediately. That's beyond illegal
Accomplished_Chef_14 [OP] 99 points 2y ago
Thank you! She called ethics today which I told her she should probably do and opened a case. They tried to force her into telling them who gave her the resources and encouraged them to report which I feel like is inappropriate
FfierceLaw 84 points 2y ago
Wait! Ethics tried to get them to state who had given her the contact information for Ethics and who encouraged them to call Ethics? That is unethical!
Accomplished_Chef_14 [OP] 47 points 2y ago
Are we surprised tho???
Kohtako95 14 points 2y ago
At this point y’all need to take it to the better business bureau. That’s the only way it’s gonna get unbiased people on it.
robinbrauer22 18 points 2y ago
Waaaaaayyyy inappropriate.
vrxmya 27 points 2y ago
Seconded. That is SO illegal.
StormTheParade 60 points 2y ago
It's super illegal for any employer to tell an employee they aren't allowed to discuss wages. $1

Make sure your coworker starts documenting EVERYTHING from this point onwards. All call logs, all conversations, full names and dates for everything. All 50 US States are at-will states, and I don't want to fearmonger but with an entry level job like this, there's always the fear that a vindictive manager will retaliate for something like this. I saw in another comment you stated that they already called Ethics, but they may want to prepare to speak with the NLRB too.
Accomplished_Chef_14 [OP] 8 points 2y ago
Thank you!!!
Dr_mombie 3 points 1y ago
Yessss
She needs to save screenshots and email to herself. Then she needs to write down any conversations she has with anyone about the topic. Time, date, content, witnesses (if any).
GerbilFeces 17 points 2y ago
we..... get raises? What are the conditions and qualifications for pay bumps?
Accomplished_Chef_14 [OP] 20 points 2y ago
Every year you get a 10 cent raise and then if you worked during Covid for a certain amount of time everyone got raises for that, but she got the Covid raise and then moved and they took away all the raises she had earned so wanted to discuss that with our dm
DaybreakNightfall 8 points 2y ago
I don't understand how your pay rate with a company can be less depending on where you live. Your pay is your fucking pay. I'm not worth less just because I live somewhere else!!!!!
echowolf9 11 points 2y ago
It’s because of the difference with minimum wage. At one point I almost lost over 8 dollars per hour by almost moving to a different state.
brihea 5 points 2y ago
Happened to me too, my pay went down like $4/hour when I moved (big surprise to me). I tried to fight for my previous raises but wasn't very successful.
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WhoreDiaries 2 points 2y ago
Whoa I had no idea!
FairestGuin 16 points 2y ago
Have her start looking into resources in your area for legal representation if she needs it. It may not come to that but it never hurts to be prepared. They're hopefully would be a department of Labor for your state and they would hopefully be able to give you some more advice on how to deal with the situation. You might also advise her to begin looking into whether there is a independent body or nonprofit of some sort in your area that helps people when they have disputes with their employers like that. Some sort of Labor or employee advocate group. I also know that if you just want legal advice or the backing of an attorney if you say have to write a formal letter to the company that there are several services online that will set you up with a lawyer who will do that sort of thing for you and you can usually subscribe to the service for a month for about $25. They'll help you understand what your options in a situation are and they can file legal paperwork for you or write official letters that come with their letterhead, which a lot of the time can do a lot for you in terms of getting people to talk to you or negotiate with you or take you seriously. Sometimes they are going to be out of state lawyers so they won't be able to actually act on your behalf in a court case but anything short of that they'll be able to help you with. I know that I used one of these services when I had a dispute with my landlord and just being able to write my landlord a letter with an official lawyer's office letterhead at the top really made a big difference. I think the service I used was legal zoom but I can't be sure.

I definitely second documenting everything. She should definitely be keeping a journal with the date and time of every communication that she has with anyone concerning this issue even if it's just her fellow partners or her shift leader. She should write down the date the time and the topic of discussion. In addition to that you should definitely advise her to start keeping written records of all of the phone calls that she has with anyone concerning this issue. If it gets to that point it doesn't hurt for her to record phone call conversations although to do that she has to warn the person on the other end of the line that she will be recording the conversation for the purpose of keeping a record. This is why it's probably the best bet for her to attempt communication mostly via email if at all possible. Written communications are much better evidence than hearsay about what was said in a phone call. I hope it works out for her, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. It really gets me fired up to hear companies try and pull this shit. Wage transparency is one of the only ways that we as employees have of guaranteeing that there is no discrimination happening.
Accomplished_Chef_14 [OP] 5 points 2y ago
Thank youuu!
Altruistic_Deer_7756 7 points 2y ago
DMs like to use that line “it’s illegal to talk about pay” to hide behind not wanting to adjust pay. When a partner transfers from another area, the store manager should call partner resources & find out what their pay will be in the new area. For this partner it should be what they would be making for 5 years of service if they lived in CA the whole time.
I’ve seen people say on here that they got a pay increase if they worked a certain amount of time during COVID, I only got that increase pay for a couple of months, that was it.
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notcarrion 3 points 2y ago
Yeah I'm my experience, it's a good idea not to bring up ethics or HR stuff to those branches in the company. They are there for the company's best interest, not yours. Always take it to your local representatives.
TheBrookAndTheBluff 2 points 1y ago
I stg DMs are only a level above SMS and yet they are bourgeois scum
Paverunner 2 points 2y ago
When I worked at Starbucks, in Northern Virginia, starting pay for a partner was $10.00. Supervisors was $12.00…
Js_On_My_Yeet 2 points 2y ago
Sue.
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kmoonster -2 points 2y ago
I would only note that you actually have several separate questions here.

1- is it legal to discuss pay? Yes, but many companies are quite pushy about people NOT discussing it, as you have now learned.

2- why did her pay change (notably to a point lower than many less senior baristas)? This is an internal policy question and likely one not easily resolved as legal standing (if any) is very sketchy, at best, and if there is no contract or written policy then the company will simply say they can organize pay as they see fit, end of story.

3- can this be fixed? Asking is the only way to try, but don't set your heart on policy changing even if specific instances do resolve.

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