Does anyone else have a problem with the culture of trauma learning Starbucks has when training new shift leads or baristas? I don't think it should be normal for people to regularly cry during their first shifts, and the fact that whenever I mention trauma learning in a negative way some of my coworkers joke it off annoys me.
Starbucks is a large enough corporation that they should be able to provide training that doesn't leave every newly trained partner feeling totally lost and hopeless.
I get that people get the hang of things eventually, and trauma learning seems to work fine if you don't look to closely, but it really bothers me that it's entirely accepted to tell new partners they'll probably cry after their first shift.
Anyone else? I'd love to hear other thoughts.
Ashleybux70 points1y ago
Why are people regularly crying on their first shifts at your store?
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]20 points1y ago
I wish I could tell you :) I personally don't cry often, so I didnt, and I'm not a trainer so I don't have much insight into how that side of things works, but our current manager has had a lot of issues that haven't been fixed, and our district manager sides with her on almost everything so its difficult to change anything
kittytwears7 points1y ago
probably because when ppl are just starting they get thrown to the wolves bc ppl think that’s the best way to learn which can be extremely overwhelming
targetdollarsection47 points1y ago
i'm going to be honest with you, as stressful as the first few shifts were I've never heard of anyone having such bad training shifts that they ended up crying - I'm a barista trainer and I'm CONSTANTLY on my green beans asses about whether or not they're comfortable or feeling good about whatever they're doing. I'm really sorry that you've had to experience this, and if you or any of your newbies were under my wing I would make sure that your first shifts were not cry-worthy :( sending love and positivity your way friend
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]7 points1y ago
I really appreciate that! It's hard because on the one hand I love my coworkers, and I'm sure almost all of our trainers them feel the same way you do, but our store is currently going through a lot of stress and a manager who doesn't really help out much. The partners who talk about trauma learning as if its just how things are are 3-5+ year partners who come from different districts and states, so I assumed it wasn't uncommon, but its interesting that so many people don't share that experience
axel_ispurechaos20 points1y ago
My second day I was alone for 30 mins not knowing what is going on or how open and found out the two coworkers who where supposed to be there no called no showed. And my location is in a grocery store. I had a panic attack and cried on the phone. I calmed down and talked to the food manager about it since my manager was out for surgery. HE ASKED IF I KNEW HOW TO OPEN SO I COULD SERVE PEOPLE UNTIL THE NEXT SHIFT PERSON COULD COME IN. I said no and that it was my second day ONCE AGAIN. Then proceeded to ask of I want to bag to fill MY 6HRS OF TRAINING INSTEAD????? I love my coworkers now but I keep getting fcked over by the store who licenses this SB. We just hired 6 people at 13$ hr and me and my one coworker who started like a week after me are still making 12$ hr and we have been there over 7 months.
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]6 points1y ago
I'm sorry that's all happening to you, I've heard a lot of stories from liscensed stores, and obviously they're not all bad but it still sounds incredibly stressful, especially when you're left hanging like that. Best of luck to you in the future.
Mx0rion19 points1y ago
I'd like to third the "What on earth is happening at y'all's stores" sentiment. There is no culture of trauma learning or crying during first shifts (or at all?) at my store or any of the stores i work at as a borrowed partner? at our trainers meeting less than a month ago, our SM made a point to ask us all what we do if we notice a partner (new old or training!) getting overwhelmed and worked up and how to make it right? So no you're right, that isn't normal and shouldn't be normal
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]7 points1y ago
I will say my store specifically is under really bad management right now, with some shifts that are really frustrating to work with, but this has been a sentiment for longer than that. When I started in August we had a much better manager, and even my favorite shift leads who really cared about us had experinces of trauma learning, and sort of expected the same thing to happen to us. I feel like my trainer was amazing, but I still felt wildly unprepared on my first shift out of training. A lot of the partners who discuss these types of things in a "thats just how it is" way are 3,4,5+ year partners from stores outside of our district, some outside of our state, so I assumed it wasn't uncommon.
friendlySkeletor9 points1y ago
I haven't personally had this issue, my store has mostly really supportive people, and even though my trainer kinda sucked I'm used to being frustrating to teach.
However, my partner works at a different store thats under a different DM, and they have talked about this being a pretty regular experience. It's also paired with a lot of people who aren't green beans just being incredibly not helpful or even present and management who doesn't care or encourages it (how do you go through 3 SMs in 6 months?) It seems like its a store or district level culture thing. The fact that its an issue at all is unbelievably fucked up though.
As is the running theme of discussion lately, a lot of issues are at various levels of management and trickle down to us. Someone wittier might make a joke about trickle down economics but I'll just remind everyone that the best way to make things better is to unionize.
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]4 points1y ago
It's funny you say that, I was hired in August, and have had three managers- the third one was hired in late October. Our other managers transferred, they weren't fired, but that unstabillty paired with the fact that our current manager was an outside hire who cares more about numbers than us, and doesn't seem to be trying to change any of the issues people bring up with her, have left our store a mess.
This phenomenon was introduced to me when I was hired, though, by partners who have been with starbucks for multiple years and come from different districts and states, so I assumed it was common. I'm glad to know it isn't universal, though.
pinkflowergirl49 points1y ago
No this is a thing at my store too. One of my trainers literally told me not to cry as I was about to and said she cried and so did others when they first started. Most people were nothing but rude when I started with the exception of maybe 2 people. No other partners in the store even introduced themselves. Even a barista I worked with (not a shift) would leave me on bar even though she was supposed to be helping because I needed the practice? Okay so they'd jump in if needed but why is that their call to make. Its not. I couldn't stand the "training" I got. Also definitely loved getting yelled at over mic everytime I was LEARNING on DTO to the point where I couldn't even hear the customer talking anymore. They also officially assigned me to a shift on window when I had never been trained and I got yelled at for all the things I did wrong. Training can definitely be better
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]3 points1y ago
I'm so sorry you went through all that, I experinced a lot of similar things but not to that extent. My coworkers are great for the most part, and at least have had good intentions- but clearly something isn't working as often as it should be
ittybittybakerkitty6 points1y ago
I'm a trainer and I've never had a barista cry in shift because of work. Then again I've got some prebux trauma so I always stay super close to them even when training is technically over as an extra level of support.
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]4 points1y ago
That's really sweet of you. It seems to be almost a 50/50 split of stores who experince this or dont, which is really strange to me, but I'm definitely relieved to know it's not universal.
FearlessSentence96675 points1y ago
i’m shocked by people saying they Didn’t cry their first shifts. i went home every day my first week out of training and cried and put in job apps to try and get out. none stuck and i’m still here and pretty good at my job but like,,, that seems to be a pretty consistent outcome of my store
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]3 points1y ago
I'm so sorry to hear that, it wasn't that extreme for me personally but a few of my coworkers I'm closest to have had the same stories. I really hope that culture changes someday.
DirigibleUme3 points1y ago
Mentioned trauma learning in the "partner pulse" I just filled out during my half. Rough day, guys.
sag6063 points1y ago
my store’s new hires have been quitting after only a couple of weeks so there’s that
nicolelynnejones3 points1y ago
The “sink or swim” method isn’t as effective as they think it is
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]1 points1y ago
100% agree
uwumoment3 points1y ago
lol i went through this bc my store was being run sooo horribly , constantly understaffed and i didn’t even have a trainer with me for most of the time, i just had to learn on my own. it’s terrible but with newer management (and mainly just myself because my management is also shit still) i’ve been encouraging baristas to ask questions and tell me when they feel worn out or uncomfortable. it sucks i went through it and i don’t want anyone else to.
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]2 points1y ago
Definitely, I was hired in August, and when my newest manager was hired in the end of October the first thing she did was hire 7 people at the same time. They sort of were juggled between trainers, some of whom were borrowed partners, and I definitely have grown in my ability to help answer questions and support greenbeens who are only a few months newer than me. As far as trauma learning goes, it was already a culture before, but those 7 really got hit hard by it.
P.S.: I was going to mention that my manager is also not the greatest, but the fact that she decided to have 2 trainers from our store and 2 trainers from another store collectively train 7 Green beans should speak for itself 😅 that was a little over a month since she got hired as an outside hire, but she hasn't improved much since then.
im_feeling_cold3 points1y ago
i’m sorry what? i think this speaks more about your store specifically than a thing with starbucks…
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]2 points1y ago
That may be the case, but it seems like at least some other people have had the same issue. The shift leads and trainers who talk about trauma learning as a positive or at least normal thing are 3-5+ year partners who have come from stores outside of my district and even outside of the state, so while my store certainly has a lot of issues that may be contributing to it, its at least not something that's super rare.
molwalk2 points1y ago
I didn't cry on my first shifts but I definitely had a lot of nightmares about work. Also a few panic attacks
board-certified2 points1y ago
i’ve been an ssv for 14 months and there have been 3 more since then….. i have witnessed none of them crying during their first shift. so i’m going to join in on say wtf is happening at your store that’s wild.
kuromi962 points1y ago
omg i cried like 2 or 3 times my first month or two, as well 😍
almostdied_at7112 points1y ago
When I became a shift I cried during so many shifts
lilkiosk2 points1y ago
I’m a trainer and the fact that your store has so many people having such a miserable experience is kind of depressing :( I’m sorry your experience has been that way! I promise we don’t all train like that!
willywankaz4322 points1y ago
I’m gonna be honest I cried a lot during the beginning and sometimes till this day, but it wasn’t because of my trainer or anything…. It would be other baristas and shifts that would coach me on something that they learned differently and tell me I’m doing wrong or something and it would stress me out to the point I cried so yeah
rudebii2 points1y ago
I’ve definitely heard of it, the attitude that if you weren’t “tough enough” or getting the hang of the job quick enough, you were a drag on the entire team. I was a shift and a trainer, I strived to give people what they needed and how into order to succeed.
Whenever I saw people on my shifts giving newbies that vibe I would quickly step in. Just because we wear green, khaki, and black (the dress was stricter back in the day) doesn’t mean we’re an army, lol.
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]2 points1y ago
You sound like a really amazing person and coworker, and based on other comments on this post I'm glad to know quite a few other stores have people like you. It's strange, because even though I've always felt like my shift leads and coworkers were the same way, the experince of trauma learning is universal at our store, I was even warned about it when I was hired. It's really strange.
rudebii1 points1y ago
Thanks, but I was a “tough” trainer and lead too, when I needed to be. After awhile, I’d know everyone’s baseline, set my expectations, then if a barista is struggling, first offer help, then try to improve.
If it’s some obvious shit you fucked up, or I see someone clearly calling it in (funny phrase post COVID) then I’m channeling my inner Gordon Ramsay.
Broad-Flounder-49711 points1y ago
I’m on my second week at sbux and I already put on the floor without someone to train me. It’s stressful, but only because I see things that need to be done and I literally can only stand there. I thrive in the fast paced environment because I’m neurdirvergent (what a shocker), but my SM apparently doesn’t give a shit if I train properly or not. She called me in after a few days of work to replace someone else when they were very short staffed and I was nothing but an inconvenience to everyone because I didn’t know anything 🥹
beeleanza1 points1y ago
Yeah that sounds like a You (store) issue. Definitely don't see that at my store. Lol sorry
makmelaf171 points1y ago
People cry cause they are not used to the demands of work, or they just had it...
I personally don't like to be there when a partner cries... but it happens... hopefully they will be on next shift and e deal with the customers craziness and move on.... hagd! 😊
Don't take work or work issues home with you.
ashleyokk1 points1y ago
when i was training one of my shifts got visibly frustrating with me getting stressed about solo-ing dto/window,, i tried to approach him about it and how i didn’t appreciate the attitude and his words were “i want you to struggle… that’s how you’ll learn” 🙃 all that to say we have a decent relationship now but i was truly speechless hearing that someone above me WANTED me to struggle to “learn” lol
_Daisybee_1 points1y ago
I've only cried once and that was working a holiday rush with 2 people so I working drive, food and cafe all by myself while my other coworker managed all 3 bars by herself. That being said, I completely understand where you're coming from and it's extremely unprofessional the way SBUX _actually_ handles training. From what I gathered most places practice trauma training. Day one I was thrown on DTW, "This is how you check people out, it's simple. I'll check up on you soon"...I was there for my entire shift and they forgot about me so I didn't get a break either. I didn't actually sit down to the computer training until a week after I've been on the floor. Also there wasn't much communication between SSV, so I'd get delegated tasks I hadn't been trained on thus leading to their frustration. If you're in a heavily populated area, or at an isolated location, I can completely understand people crying especially if they've never worked in such a fast paced environment before.
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Illustrious_Ad_86431 points1y ago
I really feel like this depends on the store you get hired at. For example, my store has been cutting labor (like everyone else) but we are also the only store in a 1 mile radius in the middle of the suburbs, so we are constantly busy. We’ve been making people solo drive, and having hot bar baristas also make their own cold bar drinks even when it’s really too busy to not have a cold bar just because we don’t have the people. Like we get so many mobile orders it’s insane, and working on hot and cold bar at the same time is mad stressful because you have to run around everywhere to make drinks and even restock while the whole lobby is full of impatient customers. And people get stressed out and annoyed at my store because of it, so people end up having miniature mental breakdowns all the time at mine. I think overall the company needs to take a look at the numbers and which stores are more populated before cutting labor down to ungodly numbers.
Beneficial-Weird-817 [OP]1 points1y ago
Yeah, we stay fairly busy but I cant remember the last time we've had a cold bar person to be honest, we have one bar on drive and one on cafe/mobiles but they both have to do their own cold bar.
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