Would I get in trouble if I refuse service to a customer that intentionally misgenders me as a non-binary?(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by Special-Fee-3558
I almost have a year working at Starbucks, a week ago I socially transitioned male to non-binary with going by they/them pronouns, I still look like a cis man which may cause to misgender me even when I wear my preferred pronoun pin. Yes I do wear my pins almost everywhere I go when I leave my house, I wear pins on my apron next to my name tag. Sometimes I get paranoid the customer might throw a fit at me if I correct them when they refer me as my birth pronouns.
So if they misgender me by purposefully calling me by the wrong pronoun, will I get disciplined if I refuse service to them such as when I’m on pos? If I do get disciplined for refusing service to customers for harassment using the wrong pronouns, that would be illegal retaliation and I would have to go to ethics and compliance for harassment and retaliation.
Edit: if I get misgendered by accident, I either play it off or correct them but speaking in a kind tone of voice, it’s still considered by accident even after they saw my pin because they may not see well because without glasses or because they don’t quite understand what it means someone to wear pronoun pins since they may assume they’re just my favorite words, and I can’t blame them. But if they do talk back after I kindly correct them and even throwing a fit plus continuing using the wrong pronouns to refer me, then it’s time to refuse them service for harassment or call over a ssv/manager to handle them. So I can’t be called dramatic or malicious just because I show self respect. Me allowing people to call me or refer me as the wrong pronouns is not respecting myself, I always respect myself including my gender identity.
OneRoseDark36 points1y ago
99% of the time they are not misgendering you on purpose because people have no observation skills and are not paying attention to your pins. You would look wildly dramatic for denying service over that.
The 1% of the time it's malicious, yeah denying service would be at least somewhat reasonable? but you'll have a hell of a time convincing anyone you have 100% confidence it was malicious.
diphenhydranautical15 points1y ago
this ^ especially with they them pronouns… it’s taken me so god damn long to get my coworkers to even try and understand, let alone actually use my pronouns correctly. pretty much any of them over the age of 27 don’t try at all. customers dont care enough to notice the giant pronoun sticker on my name tag and probably never will. it sucks dick being constantly misgendered but in customer service you kinda just grin and bear it
Special-Fee-3558 [OP]-5 points1y ago
Heck no I’m not dramatic and I would not like that label on me because I have a decent reputation and us non-binaries/trans shouldn’t be called dramatic just because we were showing our self respects, that’s not respecting myself if I allow someone to call me or refer me as someone or something that I’m not. If someone misgenders me, I’m not automatically assuming they did it on purpose, I either just play it off since they’re random strangers I won’t see them again or correct them but I do get afraid they might throw a fit on me so I tend to just ignore it. I would know they do it on purpose after I corrected them and refused to use my preferred pronouns, another way I would tell they do it on purpose is if they dare to talk back after correcting them and continuing to misgender me, and that’s when it’s time to get a ssv or asm/sm to handle the situation. Allowing people to refer you the wrong way is self lack of respect of your identity. I always speak in a kind tone of voice when correcting or just point at my pin tapping as they’re looking at me. A customer misgenders me by accident even if they might of saw my pin, I either play it off or kindly correct them as long as they don’t throw a fit or respond negative to me back. I’m aware that some people might not understand what it means to wear pronoun pins, they might think they/them are just my favorite words or something. So misgender me even after looking at my pin is still considered by accident.
If that makes sense.
OneRoseDark15 points1y ago
Whoa, hey, you did not give enough information in your original post and to skip straight from "i just ignore the error" to "i refuse to serve you" IS bring dramatic. if you planned to kindly correct first and THEN step to "hey, i don't feel comfortable serving this person", that's a totally different, rational, reasonable response that you didn't make clear in the first place.
Also, don't tell me what is or is not self-respect for queer identities. You've been out for 1 week so I get that this is New and Exciting and a Big Deal for you, but tone down the "allowing people to refer you the wrong way is self lack of respect of your identity" talk. I've been out for three years and counting and I'm aware that for some people in some situations, self-respect is being secure in our own identities without needing validation from everyone. Sometimes self-respect is giving ourselves a break from policing strangers on our pronouns. Sometimes it's stepping up for other people's pronouns while protecting ourselves from reactions to our own. And sometimes, yes, it's politely speaking up about how we identify. Self-respect is not one-size-fits-all and sometimes I just wanna let people call me ma'am while i churn out their sugar bombs.
amalia13lightning5 points1y ago
this. sometimes self respect is also realizing that it can be physically dangerous to correct someone who goes out of their way to misgender.
neilgreenbreen11 points1y ago
Realistically, yes. Starbucks is a corporation that values its profit over literally everything else. They do not care about their employees, trans or otherwise. I would talk to my shift or my SM about potentially avoiding POS or window (if you have a DT) if you are comfortable on another position and coverage permits. But you’re dealing with the general public, and the general public are unfortunately a bunch of stupid mfers. Misgendering is a daily occurrence for me and learning coping skills to help with negative emotions and stress will make your life a lot easier. That said, the support of your team is also pretty essential to feeling confident and as comfortable as possible on the floor. So definitely enlist other partners and shifts if possible.
saltandseasmoke5 points1y ago
I'm enby and work with about a half dozen other enby and / or trans coworkers. We are all constantly misgendered by customers, even the trans guy with stubble and a deep voice gets ma'am'd. It's just what it is. I don't even think most customers intend to be rude or deliberate about it - it's just a superficial interaction with a stranger who isn't really paying attention to you and just wants their coffee. Your SSV and manager should have your back if there _is_ an interaction that feels deliberately transphobic or demeaning, but for casual misgendering, everybody grins and bears it. For some people who are very sensitive about it, our shifts put them in a position other than drive or front so they don't have to worry about it happening often, but that's kind of the extent of it.
Totally different story if it's your fellow partners misgendering you - they know you, and they know better. Strangers though? That's just life.
whatsthebigdealwith_5 points1y ago
So I've had plenty of non-binary or trans partners and for the most part, you just have to assume positive intent. Customers aren't purposefully going to try to misgender you and are mostly just focused on trying to order and oblivious to anything else, but if it was malicious then that's a different situation as others have commented.
One of my tips for anybody transitioning is to start saying, "welcome back, my name is ___ and my pronouns are ___ /___, what sounds good today?" or whatever spin you want to put on it for everyone ordering. Maybe something like that would help you too?
BookDragon19963 points1y ago
You should be able to just ask an SSV to ring in that customer but honestly I definitely think you should be allowed to refuse service
swampedswirl2 points1y ago
As someone with terrible eyesight, there’s a good chance they might not see your pin or be able to read it and it’s not malicious intent. I would barely be able to read someone’s name tag without glasses, let alone a pin haha.
Brilliant_List73812 points1y ago
if you’re not comfortable handling the situation, call your SSV over. let them know this person is misgendering you, let them know that you don’t feel comfortable saying something to them or serving them, and they should politely correct that person and finish the transaction for you. i as an ssv always encourage my baristas to correct customers on their pronouns- if you feel comfortable doing so, a “hey, just so you know my pronouns are they/them!” should be good enough to make the customer realize what they’re doing. if they escalate, or refuse to gender you correctly, tell your SSV and they would have a conversation with the customer about it. Starbucks does not allow willful misgendering of partners in store and if someone refuses to use your pronouns after they’ve been verbally corrected and they continue to escalate the situation, i would say that having your SSV would be pretty justified. as long as a correction was tried to be made by the SSV and the customer still continued to refuse to use the right pronouns, no one would be in trouble for refusing service and kicking them out.
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