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Am I in the wrong? (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by Bulletrayflower
So I have a shirt and it’s form fitting. I’ve worn it to work before and no one told me anything about it, my manager even complimented the material. Today I wore the same shirt however, I wore a bra with no padding in it, so you can see a bit of pointing from my nipple. My shift dress coded me and said that it’s inappropriate. I just don’t understand how my shirt is inappropriate and why no one told me before and I feel like it’s only because my nipple pointed out.
I ended up putting a jacket over it but I still feel like it’s only “inappropriate” because my nipple was pointing. And that annoys the shit out of me.
I ended up putting a jacket over it but I still feel like it’s only “inappropriate” because my nipple was pointing. And that annoys the shit out of me.
Brgnbo 51 points 1y ago
Dude we wear aprons? That would be enough to cover it anyway tbh I think your shift was just on a trip. I usually get away with no bra since I rarely have my apron off.
amalia13lightning 20 points 1y ago
there's no dress code against nipples anyway.
nicolelynnejones 40 points 1y ago
I have to see nipple outline from our male baristas that i don’t want to, don’t see why it’s different for female baristas
Weekly-Name-5112 33 points 1y ago
Its really angering that people are still sexualizing nipples. Its a body part that everyone has, get over it.
On top of it the aprons cover your chest anyways so who gives a shit whats under.
On top of it the aprons cover your chest anyways so who gives a shit whats under.
dazedandconfusedhere 24 points 1y ago
As long as it is: practical fit for food safety, covers armpits and midsection, has no holes or tears, and isn’t too revealing (ie cleavage I guess?) it’s in dress code
Bulletrayflower [OP] 11 points 1y ago
Yea there’s literally no cleavage and then she said, “well
It’s mesh”
And im like, “literally you can’t see any skin? Just a point”
It’s mesh”
And im like, “literally you can’t see any skin? Just a point”
Victoriamarie03 7 points 1y ago
Sounds like she’s being salty lmao
Broad-Flounder-4971 21 points 1y ago
I don’t understand dress codes. At all. The only time they make sense is for safety and health. Like, obviously, cover your genitals. And wear weather appropriate clothing so you don’t die from extreme weather. And barefoot at work is both unsafe and unhygienic. But pajamas? “Slutty” clothing? No bra? Ugly clothing? Do people actually really care?
ETA: I’m autistic if that matters lmao. I would live in nothing but overalls if I could and I usually can 🥰
ETA: I’m autistic if that matters lmao. I would live in nothing but overalls if I could and I usually can 🥰
esaeklsg 13 points 1y ago
preface: this is explanation, not agreement
Places often like to look fancy, upscale. Nicer places often have stricter dress codes (and can pay their employees enough it’s worth adhereing to a stricter dress code.) I’m assuming part asthetic and part to show off money originally, but is now standard and expected. So any place trying to look like they’re nicer often follows suit. Less than a decade ago Starbucks was black-shirt (or white, but that got covered in coffee real fast) and khakis. Starbucks has increasingly given up on being fancy and bought into fastfood though.
On the flip side, for things like athletic gear, sweats, louge wear, it runs the risk of customers thinking the workers don’t care about the business. (And/or alienating customers from previous fashion eras where skintight clothing would be inappropriate in public, which a business doesn’t want.) But sweats and stuff offen gives the impression to customers that a person couldn’t even be bothered to get dressed- so you expect a similarly low degree of effort from their work.
Additionally if you’re at a fancy dinner or something - well, I view it like a costume/theme party? You want everyone to be on theme. It’s disrespectful for someone to join in on this themed party without participating.
Places often like to look fancy, upscale. Nicer places often have stricter dress codes (and can pay their employees enough it’s worth adhereing to a stricter dress code.) I’m assuming part asthetic and part to show off money originally, but is now standard and expected. So any place trying to look like they’re nicer often follows suit. Less than a decade ago Starbucks was black-shirt (or white, but that got covered in coffee real fast) and khakis. Starbucks has increasingly given up on being fancy and bought into fastfood though.
On the flip side, for things like athletic gear, sweats, louge wear, it runs the risk of customers thinking the workers don’t care about the business. (And/or alienating customers from previous fashion eras where skintight clothing would be inappropriate in public, which a business doesn’t want.) But sweats and stuff offen gives the impression to customers that a person couldn’t even be bothered to get dressed- so you expect a similarly low degree of effort from their work.
Additionally if you’re at a fancy dinner or something - well, I view it like a costume/theme party? You want everyone to be on theme. It’s disrespectful for someone to join in on this themed party without participating.
Broad-Flounder-4971 6 points 1y ago
That’s still confusing to me lmao! But thank you. I wear comfortable clothing and it has zero impact on my ability to perform in any facet of life. In fact, I had a hard time being productive if I’m in UNcomfortable clothing. I wore a skirt for my interview and a fancy shirt and I felt so unhappy, but I guess I looked nice?
I’ve also never looked at a person’s attire and felt any sort of way about their work. So it’s really hard for me to conceptualize someone seeing me in my overalls and being concerned that I don’t care about my work. I used to actually tamp and pull shots at my old barista job and I probably looked like a tiny goblin, but I made damn good drinks I was proud of.
I’ve also never looked at a person’s attire and felt any sort of way about their work. So it’s really hard for me to conceptualize someone seeing me in my overalls and being concerned that I don’t care about my work. I used to actually tamp and pull shots at my old barista job and I probably looked like a tiny goblin, but I made damn good drinks I was proud of.
esaeklsg 2 points 1y ago
Yeah, general society really doesn’t understand most sensory issues. (Or stimming, or a lot of ND traits.) I don’t think average professional clothing is uncomfortably distracting for most people- maybe for the first day or two of getting used to it. But yeah, dressing nice can be a show of effort, even if it by itself doesn’t effect anything. Shows that you’re willing to put the basic amount of time into a job. Though it generally isn’t a positive so much as lack of it is a negative.
(Though in some cases this can be the opposite- I imagine if you show up to messy construction work in slacks and a tie you look like an idiot who doesn’t lnow what they’re doing. More about “right clothes for the situation” than “formal is always better.”)
(Though in some cases this can be the opposite- I imagine if you show up to messy construction work in slacks and a tie you look like an idiot who doesn’t lnow what they’re doing. More about “right clothes for the situation” than “formal is always better.”)
Broad-Flounder-4971 2 points 1y ago
Thank you for explaining things for me!!!
aspiringgrandpa 10 points 1y ago
the men don’t have to wear bras neither should you. fuck that lol
Eastern_Effective_49 9 points 1y ago
Can’t believe we’re still doing this in 2022
icedcarfee 8 points 1y ago
you’re not in the wrong, i don’t usually wear bras to work and it doesn’t matter cause the shirt + apron is covering my chest. & like you said it’s just natural bras can’t be forced on you by anyone.
esaeklsg 7 points 1y ago
I feel like there was a very big shift in culture around this in the past decade or so, and it’s still very separated by generation? As someone just on the older side of the distinction it’s like… wearing pajamas to work? Like even if nothing is being shown, it’s culturally not what you do? And I’d never do it myself and it’d be awkward if my coworker was randomly in pajamas. Though I can’t imagine your actual case being enforcable dress code, esp when you’re still wearing a bra.
edit: but also you’re in an apron your whole shift who gives af?
edit: but also you’re in an apron your whole shift who gives af?
Bulletrayflower [OP] 11 points 1y ago
Yea the shift that dress coded me was in her 50s. Maybe inappropriate during her time but it’s a new time and nipples aren’t inappropriate. I don’t have to wear a bra if I don’t want too and that’s my choice, it’s a body, I’m not telling everyone to stare at my peckers.
esaeklsg 2 points 1y ago
I mean, in my experience/area the divide is maybe like, 30ish? I’m younger than that but more formal-modestly dressed-whatever for my age range. So it’s still the minority that’s part of that new wave of fashion culture, (though your area may be different.) And 50 isn’t thaaat old, so it still is that person’s time.
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esaeklsg 2 points 1y ago
I’unno what to tell you, the culture I grew up in (however localized, but considering it a common debate, I don’t feel like it’s that local) people don’t show pointy nipples. I used pajamas as the best example that probably still rang a bell for people as comfy but unallowed clothing for professional settings but wasn’t as linked to the stigma of “oh NO women have BODIES.”
TurbulentOutcome7833 5 points 1y ago
There's nothing "unprofessional" about a nipple. Men's nipples can show through shirts but nobody says shit. It isn't okay to sexualize a female nipple regardless of when the person grew up, the area they grew up in ect.
esaeklsg 1 points 1y ago
There wouldn’t be anything unprofessional about wearing a soft animal onsie to work except our culture says it’s unprofessional. It’s functional clothing that covers what it needs to. Not saying culture is logical and I’m not placing any moral weight on it or saying I agree with it. Though I don’t think you have to be sexualizing nipples to have an ingrained cultural rule of professional attire and notice someone is breaking that rule. The excuse might be sex or purity or whatever, but I feel like it comes down to “someone was taught a rule and sees someone breaking it, they repeat the rhetoric they were given.”
Mea-fae_Owl73 6 points 1y ago
This is verbatim what is in the partner guide and what they will say if anyone contacted pcc.
“Shirts must be clean, wrinkle-free, and in a style appropriate for food service that
allows freedom of movement but does not present a safety hazard. Shirts must cover
the mid-section when arms are raised. Sleeves must cover the armpits. Sweatshirts
and hooded shirts are not acceptable.
Shirts may have a small manufacturer's logo, but must not have other logos, writings
or graphics. The base shirt color must be within the color palette (black, gray, navy
blue, brown, khaki or white). These same colors may be the base color for a subdued,
muted pattern. Starbucks*-issued promotional shirts may be worn for events or
when still relevant for product marketing.
Solid-color sweaters or jackets within the color palette may be worn. Other than a
small manufacturer's logo, outerwear must not have logos or writings.
Starbuckscoffeegear.com offers reasonably priced, dress-code approved shirts for
sale. Partners can also check the site for information on retail clothing discounts
through vendor partnerships.”
And this about appearance in general
“General Appearance, Colors and Materials
Starbucks partners are expected to present a clean, neat and professional appearance
when starting every shift. Clothing must fit properly and be clean, hemmed, wrinkle-
free, in good repair, and safe and appropriate for a food service environment.
Clothing colors must fall within a general color palette that includes white (for tops
only), black, gray, navy blue, brown or khaki (tan). Other colors are only allowed as a
small accent on shoes or for accessories (ties, scarves, socks, etc.) “
If the shirt meets those criteria then you are good.
“Shirts must be clean, wrinkle-free, and in a style appropriate for food service that
allows freedom of movement but does not present a safety hazard. Shirts must cover
the mid-section when arms are raised. Sleeves must cover the armpits. Sweatshirts
and hooded shirts are not acceptable.
Shirts may have a small manufacturer's logo, but must not have other logos, writings
or graphics. The base shirt color must be within the color palette (black, gray, navy
blue, brown, khaki or white). These same colors may be the base color for a subdued,
muted pattern. Starbucks*-issued promotional shirts may be worn for events or
when still relevant for product marketing.
Solid-color sweaters or jackets within the color palette may be worn. Other than a
small manufacturer's logo, outerwear must not have logos or writings.
Starbuckscoffeegear.com offers reasonably priced, dress-code approved shirts for
sale. Partners can also check the site for information on retail clothing discounts
through vendor partnerships.”
And this about appearance in general
“General Appearance, Colors and Materials
Starbucks partners are expected to present a clean, neat and professional appearance
when starting every shift. Clothing must fit properly and be clean, hemmed, wrinkle-
free, in good repair, and safe and appropriate for a food service environment.
Clothing colors must fall within a general color palette that includes white (for tops
only), black, gray, navy blue, brown or khaki (tan). Other colors are only allowed as a
small accent on shoes or for accessories (ties, scarves, socks, etc.) “
If the shirt meets those criteria then you are good.
snowpeech 5 points 1y ago
Unpopular opinion, but I'd say nips out is unprofessional
TurbulentOutcome7833 5 points 1y ago
Why? What's so unprofessional about a body part? If thats the case the same thing should be said when you can see a man's nipple through their shirt? As long as the breast and other private areas are covered who gives a flying fuck if you can slightly see the shape of a nipple. Are you that bothered and uncomfortable by another person's body?
esaeklsg 3 points 1y ago
As one of the people on this thread that doesn't really care in practice but is more on unprofessional side:
I don't like male nipples either. And yeah, I also find that unprofessional.
I don't give a flying fuck if I see another person's pajamas, but I'd find it unprofessional for someone to come to work in PJs. Just cultural professional attire expectations- they don't have an actual reason behind them, but someone breaking them can be distracting and uncomfortable, yeah.
I don't like male nipples either. And yeah, I also find that unprofessional.
I don't give a flying fuck if I see another person's pajamas, but I'd find it unprofessional for someone to come to work in PJs. Just cultural professional attire expectations- they don't have an actual reason behind them, but someone breaking them can be distracting and uncomfortable, yeah.
Weekly-Name-5112 1 points 1y ago
Dude you've repeated this multiple times on this thread. Why are you so bothered whats "professional" and whats not or how someone chooses to dress at work? It doesn't affect you in anyway.
TurbulentOutcome7833 0 points 1y ago
Well I feel sorry for you that someone else's body makes you so distracted and uncomfortable.
Give me one good reason why an outline of a nipple through a shirt is unprofessional other than you repeating "cultural" bs over and over again. The only reason a person would find a nipple unprofessional is because of sexual reasons in which case let's not sexualize a body part meant to feed babies.
Give me one good reason why an outline of a nipple through a shirt is unprofessional other than you repeating "cultural" bs over and over again. The only reason a person would find a nipple unprofessional is because of sexual reasons in which case let's not sexualize a body part meant to feed babies.
Weekly-Name-5112 1 points 1y ago
If your argument for nipples being unprofessional is that they are seen as "sexual" or "inappropriate maybe you should reevaluate why you're sexualizing a body part whos sole function is to feed babies. Theres nothing sexual or inappropriate about a nipple, perverts just made it that way.
Bulletrayflower [OP] 1 points 1y ago
Why? Is it too distracting for you? Seriously asking, not being rude.
For me, I don’t care if your nipples are showing, I’m not going to comment on them because they’re literally on your body and it’s natural
For me, I don’t care if your nipples are showing, I’m not going to comment on them because they’re literally on your body and it’s natural
snowpeech 1 points 1y ago
I don't define what is professional, society does. Look up business casual or any type of professional clothing and, generally speaking, the body parts that are emphasized in sex are minimized in professional clothes. I don't make the rules.
SmallBean04 -1 points 1y ago
1) their nipples are not out? An outline showing through a shirt is not out, it's still covered.
2) some people (including myself) still have outlines of nipples showing when wearing padded bras, and due to the size of my breasts compared to my body size (relevant for clothing) they will always be against the fabric of my shirt unless you have me wear something several sizes larger than I do and at that point it would be inappropriately large and thus unprofessional.
3) starbucks isn't a professional place of employment, it's fast food.
4) what office job would care? I'm sure a lot of women wear unpadded bras, nipples get hard when you're cold. It does not prevent someone from doing a job in any instance.
2) some people (including myself) still have outlines of nipples showing when wearing padded bras, and due to the size of my breasts compared to my body size (relevant for clothing) they will always be against the fabric of my shirt unless you have me wear something several sizes larger than I do and at that point it would be inappropriately large and thus unprofessional.
3) starbucks isn't a professional place of employment, it's fast food.
4) what office job would care? I'm sure a lot of women wear unpadded bras, nipples get hard when you're cold. It does not prevent someone from doing a job in any instance.
peepeegorilla 5 points 1y ago
that is so ridiculous I NEVER wear bras, not even to work and nobody has said anything, which is how it should be. the apron covers them anyways so I don’t see the big deal
aspiringgrandpa 5 points 1y ago
also if i were you i wouldn’t wear a bra to work ever again to piss her off 😂☠️
Bulletrayflower [OP] 6 points 1y ago
I don’t think I will either! I just might go buy a bunch of tight shirts
aspiringgrandpa 6 points 1y ago
please do and show that old hag whose boss lol
hazelnutbeanjuice 3 points 1y ago
one of my fellow partners has gigantic boobs and never wears a bra so i think you are fine they are just over dramatic and probs horny lol
icedmatchachai 2 points 1y ago
i wear like a 34ddd and i came in with no bra on one day (pls it was like 4 am and i was exhausted and just went in my pajamas) and no one even said anything it's inappropriate for people to comment on it 🤧 what if you were a guy with gyno ? you get dresscoded for your titties being noticeable??
Decent_Wall1380 2 points 1y ago
i’ve never once worn a bra to work due to a sensory disorder and no ones ever mentioned it to me. definitely something weird they shouldn’t have said, im sorry that happened to you
Apprehensive-You5261 2 points 1y ago
I second this I literally would quit if I had to wear a bra to work. First it feels horrible and second nobody tells me what I can do with my body!
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