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Starbucks Baristas: The daily grind

Full History - 2022 - 06 - 16 - ID#vdxtll
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“Earning labor” tall cup rant- (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by dylanveyto
Rather than be sufficiently staffed at certain times of day, we have been told to earn labor by upselling shots or pastries. However I have also been told our labor is based off of the amount of orders we get, not the dollar amount of orders. When I asked for clarity on that, I received a “I don’t really know tbh” from manager. Does anyone here know the answer to that?
tantelope 73 points 1y ago
My store is experiencing mass reduction of hours because we’re not making enough $$. No idea what that means and manager just explains it as “sales are down”. Feels dumb to me. We’re not making enough because we’re understaffed, so your solution is to understaff us further….. ok. 🤥
introextro81 46 points 1y ago
I know why sales are down and it’s exactly why I stopped going to Starbucks after being a daily customer for 11 years. Got tired of waiting in the drive thru for 30-45 min because I know why I’m having to wait; they don’t want to pay their employees a living wage, hence understaffed. Fuck those greedy assholes at the top.
tantelope 27 points 1y ago
literally. and then they keep upcharging to try and make up for it, so they’re waiting 30 minutes in line to pay 20% extra!!!
cody_1849 6 points 1y ago
They raise prices like once a month at this point and yet they still say they don’t have enough money for our raises until two months from now and that we’re greedy for wanting some of the money we earn for them… Smdh
cody_1849 1 points 1y ago
They raise prices like once a month at this point and yet they still say they don’t have enough money for our raises until two months from now and that we’re greedy for wanting some of the money we earn for them… Smdh
audiob1ood 55 points 1y ago
Our executive leadership is super secretive about how labor is calculated. Every manager I know is frustrated by how difficult it is to increase labor at their store.

Labor is influenced by

- the amount of work created by the order. For example, a refresher or shaken tea earns almost no labor, where a frappuccino earns more labor.
- add ons. I know everyone on this sub shits on foam, but it's a great way to get more labor
- number of other sales. So like, an extras $100 over the course of a day won't earn you more labor, but an extra $100 in a half hour will.
- a bunch of other stuff I'm not well-informed enough about.

Waters don't earn labor

The warming button does. So does adding grinding to a bag of coffee.

It's absolutely insane. Our sales went down, because our labor literally could not support us moving orders through any faster... so then we earned less labor?! My manager (I'm an ASM, for clarity) was able to talk our DM into investing more labor into our peaks... and what to do you know, our sales increased.

So frustrating that the executive leadership, who doesn't even work in the store, doesn't give the leadership IN THE STORES the power to make their stores run efficiently.
iStealSharpies 18 points 1y ago
It’s pretty ridiculous that a shaken drink won’t give us labor but a frap will. Shaken drinks are just as annoying and time consuming to make as a frap. And they also happen to be like 70% of orders as of recently. Make it make sense. They need to change their metrics honestly.
audiob1ood 10 points 1y ago
100%. Our customer base leans more health conscious, so we don't sell many frappuccinos. But our shaken bar BLOWS up every peak. It's disheartening that they don't earn more labor.
SinisterThimble 6 points 1y ago
And you can't start another drink while you make a shaken drink. I can run back and forth with a frap and at least get something else going while it's blending.
aaronbdancer 14 points 1y ago
Dealing with forecast vs earned is the Bane of my existence with the drastic drop off for the summer. My store is usually within their margins, posted over labor two weeks in a row and got a talking to from my Dm about it. Labor calculations need more clarity and transparency imo. Signed a fellow asm
persona-2 6 points 1y ago
Another labor influence is cosds vs time. So if you have a crazy peak and then a slow rest of the day vs steadier traffic flow. The first one will earn you more labor then the second one.
Mea-fae_Owl73 2 points 1y ago
This⬆️ 💯
Tha_jphil 1 points 1y ago
Also from what I understand as well, with KJ being such a huge analytics guy, he implemented a lot of these labor “algorithms” before he left that squeeze every last drop of profit from the minimal amount of labor they give us
rudebii 8 points 1y ago
A lie as old as time. Whatever they’re saying will increase labor won’t. “More labor” is Lucy holding the football.
interyx 2 points 1y ago
This. As soon as sales go back up they'll look at it and say "yeah but it's all getting done" and not give more labor.

It's all BS anyway. All our metrics are garbage and we're constantly understaffed according to an algorithm calculated to make the company more money. What do they even look at to measure customer satisfaction? The CC score, given randomly to a subset of app customers, who go in there to complain about stuff out of our control.

I do my job, and I do it well. I'll work hard but I'm not breaking myself for imaginary numbers.
WorthProper3289 7 points 1y ago
Labor is incredibly detailed. It is a calculation that includes: product amount, recipe time, food time, complexity, and register transaction time. For example, let’s say a tall pike place coffee takes a barista 20 seconds to make. But the customers wants cream, now the pike place takes the barista 25 seconds to make. The customers also orders a warmed croissant which takes a total of 25 seconds to warm up and 5 seconds to bag and hand out. Let’s add the connection time at the register to 30 seconds. That entire transaction is calculated as 1 minute and 25 seconds worth of required labor. What Starbucks does is add all the transactions of a day together in this process and then looks at customer satisfaction from those orders to decide if the calculated labor necessary matches customer needs. Obviously my example is scaled down as the whole process takes significantly more time but you get the idea. So basically, if you increase customer satisfaction and increase items to a transaction then you are subsequently increasing the labour for your store. Even things like drink size do make a big difference. Another MASSIVE labour trick is to be very strict with partners ringing personal drinks and food through. It really adds up and you can gain a lot of labour hours from it
c-3le 6 points 1y ago
same and mobile orders count twice more than the ones we ring up towards the labor and bc of the storm that hit on sunday we have no internet ever since so we are unable to take payments and been doing force approve the whole time and they want us to stop and also we’ve been getting our ass handed to us bc we haven’t finished our summer 2 training and our labor is going down bc we have no internet for mobile orders
Bazzock041 5 points 1y ago
The labor model is my chief grievance and exactly why i will sign a union card
Torirock10 1 points 1y ago
this is happening to us too :0
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SmittyComic 0 points 1y ago
transactions are worth more than money... but not at ANY OTHER STORE, tried to pay for work shoes with transactions and they had NO idea how much more important they were than money. Even offered peak transactions... no dice.
aestheticallymine -1 points 1y ago
The more money earned, the more hours can be given.
Saying they earn more labor is just a shortcut for saying “it makes more money and we can hire/fill more spots during the day”
This is at least from my understanding as an SSV. Our store has been going through the cutting hours process for the last 2-3 months:(
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