that literally is what mobile bar is about... people who mobile order just want to be in and out, they’re not interested in standing around and talking(i.redd.it)
submitted by reclusivegiraffe
crescent_coop245 points1y ago
“how is it outside?” is so funny to me “please mr coffee won’t let me leave i just want to know what the outside is lik
jazzysoranio158 points1y ago
I WORK at Starbucks and even I will mobile order at other stores when I don’t want to talk to the partners there 😂
coffee-and-chillll148 points1y ago
Update orders out loud? WTF. Keep them in loop? Ummmm hell no. How about I just make their drink without announcing what I’m doing and then call out their name when it’s ready, what a radical idea!!
I can’t imagine the kind of looks we’d get if we’re saying out loud who’s order we’re working on. I truly think customers would think we’d lost our minds if we did that. Even the thought of doing that makes me feel embarrassed for everyone involved. I couldn’t be more against doing that lol
CrazyBloo56 points1y ago
There’s someone at my store who does this during peak if we don’t have someone on handoff (which is most times), and it’s pretty helpful, that’s the only time ive seen it tho
coffee-and-chillll22 points1y ago
I’d imagine that’s very helpful, definitely an exception where I’d see it as necessary
BatWeary18 points1y ago
Yeah, quite a few people at my store does this. It doesn’t really make a difference tbh. I personally don’t, because mobile bar makes me super anxious (I’m usually there during peak/when it’s busy because I’m fast) and having to talk to customers while making drinks is 100% guaranteed that I’m going to mess up a drink. I can’t bar, chat, and grab everything under the sun at once. I’m already so scatterbrained as it is lol
CrazyBloo10 points1y ago
Same lol if I’m on bar the most a custy is getting is “Do you need a straw” Or “What’re you waiting on”
Responsible_Snow710929 points1y ago
Yea lol why do we have to baby customers literally every single step of the way? My manager wants us to start implementing the updating crap. If we constantly keep doing that, then theyre never guna learn to wait like adults. They dont need to kno when ill start working on their drink and when im in the middle of it and how much longer til its done
uwumoment12 points1y ago
fr the bitches (customers) at my store are so stupid, i’ll say their name out loud and their drink and the fact it’s a cafe order and they’ll stand for 20 mins and ask where it is, literally had an old lady say we “used to call out names” when we literally still do people just have selective hearing and are idiots
Responsible_Snow71095 points1y ago
Lmao omg happens DAILY at my store!!! I finished a grande hot chai tea latte with whole milk for a guy. I put it on the hand off counter. He was literally sitting at the table directly across from it...maybe 2 arm lengths away lol i put the drink down and i say "grande chai tea latte with whole milk for *his name*" and no response or anything and I have a million other drinks to do so I can't baby these people so I get back to making drinks and then a few moments later he comes up to the handoff area and he grabs the drink and he says "is this mine?" As hes freakin spinning the sticker on the cup towards me....umm why dont u read it urself? I dont understand. Or maybe pay attention to when drinks are being called out?
uwumoment3 points1y ago
lol i hate whenever they ask me to read it for them i just tell them the stickers say what it is and the name
coffee-and-chillll10 points1y ago
Exactly! With everything so immediate today, to the point that people can get practically everything delivered to their front door, it’s like god forbid anyone have to wait for anything. It’s out of control.
Responsible_Snow710910 points1y ago
100% and what if i tell Tom that i will start his drink in 1 minute and what if i have to restart a drink cuz i screwed up on something or what if someone asks me for a bunch of sugars and cream or ice waters like idk anything! Then what am I supposed to do, just inform the customer for every single step that I make?
coffee-and-chillll22 points1y ago
Right! “Sorry Tom, I’m about to begin pouring milk for your caramel macchiato, I’m just handing these raw sugar packets to a customer first” lol might as well give me a megaphone while we’re at it
SelocAvrap9 points1y ago
Then when you call people's names, they come get their drink and get mad it's not ready, you were just letting them know it was soon
Now that I'm on the customer side, I hate that practice for a different reason. If I show up and my drink isn't ready, I'm gonna be on my phone trying to tune out loud sounds. If I hear my name, I'm gonna be paying attention again, and if my drink isn't ready, that's more time I have to pay attention
Managers reading this, please stop telling people to do this
coffee-and-chillll9 points1y ago
Exactly! I understand wanting to connect with customers, but this isn’t even connecting. When customers hear their name they assume their order is ready, rightfully so. I’d assume that too. So trying to “keep them in the loop” on their order is not needed to me. It’s chaos behind the bar, there’s nothing that we need to keep them in the loop on.
I’m usually trying to multitask doing several things at once, I simply won’t be able to additionally update customers while I’m working on their order. I don’t even think customers would be into that, especially during peak.
In my experience, customers aren’t really there for the chit chat, and me giving a play by play of their order isn’t gonna improve matters. I truly do not understand the company’s obsession with “connecting”. I understand caring about satisfaction of the product, but they seem to focus WAY more on connection scores and it feels so outdated to me. Their way of measuring it, by asking “did the barista get to know you” wtf. That couldn’t be weirder. People of today generally aren’t coming to Starbucks for a personal conversation, they’re coming for coffee. I enjoy talking to customers and I strive to be kind and courteous, but the company’s constant push for unnatural connection needs to be put in check.
cheeercamp4 points1y ago
A simple “Mike, your Americano is on my bar.”….. “Andrea, your shaken espresso is up next!” in a cafe full of folks typically works like 8 out of 10 times. The folks who don’t care about waiting, don’t complain and that’s great. The folks who woke up and chose violence are going to be angry no matter what we do.
humiddefy3 points1y ago
Yeah this was the real gem of the email I think. How much do you think some fucking corporate cocksucker was paid to come up with this genius idea?
zedazeni3 points1y ago
I’ve only done this if we get super slammed and have a lot of people waiting. Even then, it’s probably 20-80 if they hear me or not.
snolo893 points1y ago
Hahaha I do this! It’s alright. It can seem a bit off for some but it’s helpful for me. It gives me a chance to connect with the customer about their order and get their name before they come at me. Because we all know them customers be coming at us sometimes! It kind of helps me set the tone with the cafe in a way. I can definitely see how it can seem crazy when people just don’t pick up with it though. A large collection of drinks can still accumulate because people still don’t listen. Which leads to confusion. Half the time I can’t get my food people to announce food in an effective way. Its still a mess.
uwumoment2 points1y ago
i used to do it at my store when i 1. gave a fuck about my job and 2. was backed up during peak. now i do not give a fuck
Holiday_Pop86471 points1y ago
Lol my manager makes us do this all the time we don’t have a choice.
gothlene80 points1y ago
the whole point of mobile is that they don't wanna talk to us 😭
zedazeni44 points1y ago
I think it’s more of the DMs pushing SMs to do that. Those metrics are pretty arbitrary—how do you put a numerical value on “did I feel welcome? Throughout my studies I’ve been told to explicitly avoid using data/surveys that do this because it’s just too biased (on behalf of the author) or completely inaccurate (if its don’t in a manner like Sbux). So don’t take anything about the CC score as any indication as how your store is actually doing.
Even in sales, Sbux is the second most profitable fast food chain and is only behind McDonald’s. It has this market pretty much completely captured, so there’s not really a way to “grow” sales either. Again, don’t use that as an indication (unless there’s an obvious drop/increase that occurs simultaneously as a major event in your store/are).
DMs don’t spend most of their times in the stores nor with customers, so they generally don’t know what they’re talking about (my experience with the four DMs I’ve had). If your SM or DM starts telling you about not connecting with mobile order customers, tell them “I’ve had many that tell me that they just want to come in and get their order without talking to us” or “I’ve had many tell me that if I wanted to talk, I’d have ordered in-person.” What’re they gonna do, ask for those people’s contact info? Also, bring up how that’ll increase wait times since the baristas on bar will be distracted by talking to customers and not making drinks, and customers think it’s rude when we turn around in the middle of a conversation to finish making a beverage and other customers don’t feel comfortable approaching us for questions if they see that we’re in the middle of a conversation with another customer.
Play Devil’s Advocate here if your SM or DMs get too pushy on this. Make them admit that they don’t have a logical point.
Samiixmarie19 points1y ago
I’ve tried telling my SM that customers don’t enjoy this including myself when I’m a customer and she said “Well… actually they do.” 🤦🏻♀️
zedazeni23 points1y ago
Here’s a list of fair retorts you can make just on your SM’s comment that you provided:
“Why are you assuming all people have the same personality type and needs? That’s highly presumptuous of you.”
“We need to be inclusive to all personality types. Not everyone is like you.”
“I don’t ever see you on bar/MoP handoff, I’m out there for hours every day, maybe you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and I do.”
“Then how about you go and be our MoP handoff greeter every day during rush and take care of it yourself. Be a part of the solution and don’t just complain.”
“Do customers actually tell you this, because plenty of customers have told me what I’m telling you.”
“If what you’re saying is true, how come are we ignored more than not when we greet MoP customers?”
“If customers wanted to talk with us; then they would also initiate the conversations. A healthy conversation requires equal participation.”
Kaywin13 points1y ago
>“Do customers actually tell you this, because plenty of customers have told me what I’m telling you.”
Thisssssss
B0redBarista5 points1y ago
As an SM I try to tell my baristas to at least make an effort - if the customer doesn’t seem interested, let it drop. Also, connection looks different for every customer and barista and different in every channel. Most of our MOP customers aren’t looking for a long conversation, but it’s always nice to be recognized, especially if you’re there every day.
But I will say when I’m working Cafe/MOP bar during peak (I know shocking, an SM who does that) a lot of our regulars who only mobile order seem to love it when I at least greet them by name even if they are dashing in and out. They also seem to appreciate having a conversation if their drink isn’t ready yet.
To me, it’s less about connecting with every customer and more about treating our customers as fellow humans instead of transactions.
zedazeni4 points1y ago
I completely agree. It’s best to greet the regulars by name (they typically love that). For everyone else, a “hello” or “good morning/afternoon/evening will do.” If they want to chat, they’ll take it from there, but 90% of them just pick up their order and leave without saying a word, which is fine.
I agree, we need to treat customers like humans. Not everyone wants to be greeted by an exuberantly peppy and energetic barista at 7:38 AM. Sbux needs to stop forcing this notion that quality customer service means being loud, energetic, and talkative for everyone. I think that’s the biggest gripe that most partners have with things like this.
superiorpew37 points1y ago
Yea that’s it, share a joke that gets taken the wrong way and get fired for it.
haydensidun26 points1y ago
“Knock knock”
“Who’s there”
“Get the fuck out”
jordan_leigh31 points1y ago
Starbucks corporate has become so drastically detached from the laborers that they have lost all sense of practicality and that’s what is slowly ruining their business from the inside out.
WallyBBunny17 points1y ago
This. Also 45 second window times and have a life changing and therapeutic conversation no matter how many items are in the order. 😐
FrogInASpot24 points1y ago
y’all have to call out names as you’re making the drinks? there’s no time or room in anyones sanity for that
lilkiosk5 points1y ago
I definitely only ever did that if we were super busy and backed up in cafe. Otherwise, hell no
Holiday_Pop86474 points1y ago
Everyone at my store has too, orders from the manager. I worked at another store once and they looked at me like I was crazy for doing it 😂
PluralPaul1 points1y ago
We've had too many customers literally grab the first drink they see without ever actually checking the name, or ask, "Is this for me?" without ever actually checking the name. When your customers are absolutely garbage at doing the minimum for the drinks they paid for, sometimes this is the only option.
Kaywin1 points1y ago
I used to, sometimes, especially during busy periods (or/and after being harassed by a shift supervisor or someone higher up to do it.)
reclusivegiraffe [OP]1 points1y ago
i’ve done that maybe twice, ever. no one does this
impasse60223 points1y ago
Just for shits and giggles at my store we dont have a lot of traffic so when theres like nobody in the lobby we scream everyone’s mobile order name
alyssughjo14 points1y ago
My lord that’s miserable. Half of the people we get for mobiles don’t even want to acknowledge us or will be on their phones in conversation. The fact “connections” are kept track and scored is a fatal flaw with this company. A natural coffee shop house vibe will come with that. Forcing it is insufferable on employees and guests. We only call out names of mobiles we’re working on if we’re busy and backed up with a full lobby.
escapeorion13 points1y ago
As someone who comes in to get a mobile order, this is absolutely not what I want. I don’t even take out my headphones.
user419848 points1y ago
i don’t get paid enough to do thst
shipssiren8 points1y ago
I only "keep them in the loop" if its packed during peak. Then I do that to differentiate whos waiting, whi isn't and whsts going on. Because we usuallu don't have enough for a hand out. And If I'm mobile, no offense, but I refuse to make the people that order their franken-drinks and then come in two minutes after ordering feel welcome.
Broad-Flounder-49713 points1y ago
I had someone order a flat white with 6 long shots. No clue why it was ordered as a flat white. They also wanted it breve (and by breve I mean a fucking minimal splash of half and half into the cup of shots). She had the audacity to also order a 6 shot americano as well and didn’t tell us at the box that she was a mobile order (although we knew, just not her name) so she got to the window, asked for her order, and was confused it wasn’t ready. My girl, you ordered an entire cup of espresso. It’s gonna take a minute.
shipssiren2 points1y ago
Exactly, ridiculous- a woman ordered an 8 shot american with no ice. And asked why i filled with water and said she just wanted the shots. Woman then don't get an Americano-
kidcharliemagne7 points1y ago
ok but until i get the staff to make mobile orders fast enough for ppl to just pick them up and go, ima waste as much time as i can chatting it up w all the MOP customers on cafe bar 🤡
lewabwee6 points1y ago
If a human acted like this just naturally without being forced to by their employer you’d probably assume they were a real sad fuck.
Being polite and friendly is one thing but telling them to order different things, sharing jokes and asking what it’s like to be allowed to leave the premises is just the behavior of a really sad desperate loser.
prhamm5 points1y ago
Haven't worked for sbux in years. I very specifically do mobile so that no one will speak to me.
sir_ramen5 points1y ago
When I do go to Starbucks, I'm likely not in the mood to talk about anything, let alone entertain a forced conversation with a stranger.
an_anenome4 points1y ago
This is why I left Starbucks lol.. so out of touch with their customer base.. no one goes there as a “third place” anymore its way too busy for that
jazzysoranio4 points1y ago
Obviously I appreciate good conversation like anyone else, but the way Starbucks has been pushing customers connections like crazy it’s honestly just been eating into our productivity. And if I were a customer I would find it frustrating that instead of focusing on getting my mobile order finished the barista was instead just trying to make conversation with me about what my favorite flower is. Like, yes, I like flowers, but can we please focus on the actual reason I’m here?
It’s like corporate is pushing “connections” without even knowing what connections means.
sadamski894 points1y ago
Would love the number to your store just to call and yell at your manager that the baristas were trying to connect with me when I mobile order for a reason, I don’t have time to talk and don’t want the connection
shipssiren4 points1y ago
I only "keep them in the loop" if its packed during peak. Then I do that to differentiate whos waiting, whi isn't and whsts going on. Because we usuallu don't have enough for a hand out. And If I'm mobile, no offense, but I refuse to make the people that order their franken-drinks and then come in two minutes after ordering feel welcome.
BeardiesRule1124 points1y ago
Ew
Sweet-Conflict41764 points1y ago
Barf
Broad-Flounder-49713 points1y ago
I will chat when it’s slow, but I flat out refuse to chat during peak. I’ll have like ten drinks to make and still have stickers to pull. I have to focus on multitasking properly so I can make the drinks correctly and efficiently. Maybe keep a CS staffed to chat with the customers when the barista on mobile/cafe (ours is both) is balls deep in orders. We don’t have CS for every day of the week, so I’ll be damned if I’m told to be more sociable while on bar.
half-bad3 points1y ago
I can't even imagine the look i'd have on my face if a barista "shared a joke" with me
ShannyES3 points1y ago
Respectfully. I work for the Bux. I know it’s their weird wet dream that we connect with customers. However - as a longtime customer I find it so inherently creepy. Especially when you can tell it’s forced.
I am not an outgoing person naturally. In no other circumstance would I strike up a casual conversation with a stranger. And I abhor when strangers try to talk to me. My answers will be short and to the point and I KNOW I come across as rude. However I have no interest in surface level ‘connection’. That’s not a connection to me. It’s intrusive and forced.
I personally try to remember our customers and customize my interactions with them. But I refuse to strike up meaningless conversations with people like myself who I can tell have ZERO interest in false niceties.
Or with customers who view me as less than human simply because of where I work. (A lot of these happen to be people I work with at my FT job and it’s disgusting to me the way they treat my fellow baristas).
megs12883 points1y ago
I as a partner mobile order because I just want the coffee not the connection
Mea-fae_Owl733 points1y ago
My store’s customers have learned to respect estimated ready time. Before that I would have to constantly call out mobil orders/cafe I was working on. I would call out 8 drink/customer names at a time. The only time this happens now is on the rare Saturday when a ton of non regulars would visit. Even then I call out what I’m working on but don’t try to make conversation. My customers want their drinks not a chat hotline. I still connect when they pick up with eye contact, huge smile, and a thank you.
cookiemonstah872 points1y ago
I've never bothered with mobile orders anywhere, but I can say with 100% certainty that if i did, it would have a lot more to do with not wanting to talk to anyone than it would with trying to save any time.
vinpurin2 points1y ago
my store has a group chat and it got busted, which i didn’t agree with bc it was pretty much just a friends group chat because my store is extremely close-knit. but THIS is unpaid labor… updating standards for people to read??? this is misuse of a store group chat and does fall under the standard of not having store group chats..
Minute-General-20901 points1y ago
I hate talking to customers because of my anxiety and I just hate conversations in general. When a custome sense I'm not a talker, they exert themselves even more by asking ME questions which I hate having to answer and my one word answer apparently aren't enough because they go and ask MORE questions and want to know about my life,etc.
I just want them gone... I've stated I'm not really comfortable conversing with them but they chalk it up to "oh, a little conversation won't hurt"... yes it will and it's not only bring me pain but to the other customers who want their drinsk as well. Sometimes I do get into a conversation but it's rare and mostly with my co-workers.
Thick_Assumption272 points1y ago
Why are you in a service job where we're required to talk to customers then? 😅
Minute-General-20903 points1y ago
because it's the only job that pays good in my area. And besides, I can talk, I just hate when people who diverge off the basic conversation, and I'm getting more out of my shell despite my negative feelings for it.
botw_bitch1 points1y ago
The only valid reason I see to talk to mobile order people is bc a lot of the will stick their grody fingers into the drink holes on lids to turn and see the name of the drink and then you need to replace the lid and crap. But otherwise, I think we should just leave them be.
Data_Dame-6 points1y ago
Talking is not the only way to make someone feel welcomed. I think whoever put this out needs to convey that point more clearly. Just a little acknowledgement goes a long way. Look on page 18 of our ops excellence guide. "Create an infectious energy". The energy you are giving off can create a welcoming or hostile environment. By the tone of your post, you are probably giving off a pretty bad vibe while on bar, even for just a few moments of the customer picking up their order.
And yes, updating customers on their order status will kill a lot of anticipation and tension. It's like putting your name down on a list at a restaurant. You know your name is likely still on the list, yet after a while you still go back and ask the host/hostess where you are at on the list. If you were 5 down and now 2 down, you feel like "oh ok, it's moving along"
Posts and comments like this is why we don't promote from within. All these I been here for blah blah blah years and they hire an external SM. Well yeah, because you been here for blah blah blah years and don't understand what customer connection is.
reclusivegiraffe [OP]9 points1y ago
i understand what connection is. i was a lot better at it while i was still new, and wasn’t so burnt out. i’ve been here for 2 years now. i’m so tired of greeting mobile people and getting blatantly ignored. it’s exhausting, and it wears you out.
i do update on drinks when we’re really busy. i do not have time to talk to mobile people when it’s that busy — we’re a $60k/week store — but i’m still friendly.
thirdly, i am not even remotely interested in being promoted to an SM. i don’t have what it takes to be bubbly all the time. i don’t always have the energy to connect beyond pleasantries. you sound so stuck up.
Broad-Flounder-49712 points1y ago
When I feel burnt out socially on a shift, you know where my SSV puts me? On bar 🤡 so I don’t have to talk to customers LOL
reclusivegiraffe [OP]1 points1y ago
exactly! that, or CS, because honestly — what “customer support” is CS doing?
Broad-Flounder-49711 points1y ago
Man when I’m on CS, I just wanna zone out with prep and dishes. But I would force my customer service attitude to make sure whoever is on bar doesn’t have to 100%
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