Honestly, it's going to effect very few partners. Right now, some stores have partners who work once a week, while at other stores the manager won't allow that. Starbucks is just offering some kind of standard of consistency.
12 hours is not a lot.
Sure_Kiwi3037 [OP]54 points1y ago
Good perspective! For the last few weeks my sm has only scheduled me for 10-11.5 hrs (everyone got their hrs cut. Originally I was getting 15-18). So it’s nice that I’ll be starting to get at least 12
fuwaldah42 points1y ago
I don't believe they are guaranteeing any amount of hours, but I could be wrong.
highspeed0624 points1y ago
if im reading it correctly it’s only that you just be available a minimum or 12 hours- honestly i doubt many people have availability that low. i wish it was some guarantee of hours though because i know partners who only get 1-2 shifts a week and that is simply not enough for people who have a huge availability.
rudebii8 points1y ago
This was years ago, but when I quit my SM asked me to stay on for Fri evening - Sun evening for coverage. we were in a fancy shopping center and most of our sales were on the weekend, it was hard to schedule leads on times people always wanted off.
I did it for awhile, but I got burned out and eventually quit for good.
fuwaldah2 points1y ago
You're reading it correctly.
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cxffeebr_ak13 points1y ago
Yeah, 12 hours is not even 2 full 8 hours shifts. Any less and I feel like you wouldn't even be able to be the best barista and training a really really part timer like this is also more difficult.
CriticalSheep7 points1y ago
I was a 16-hours per week shift and I was damn good at my job thank you. Starbucks was a second job for me after working 50 hours at my primary job. So... I respectfully disagree with you here.
cxffeebr_ak1 points1y ago
Sorry, I did not mean to offend anyone. I'm just talking generally speaking. There's some people that excel at the job even if they work once or twice a week. But typically you develop more of a rhythm for the job the more you work.
Pylon-Cam6 points1y ago
Honestly, I really think it depends.
If someone has been with the company for a while and they cut back on hours due to getting another job or something, then they can still be a great barista despite only working 12 hours per week.
cadmus18903 points1y ago
Completely. Most people don't learn the rhythm and pacing of that role overnight.
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more-caffeine-please6 points1y ago
Same here, I open Sunday mornings and that’s it because it’s my second job, I’m working 5-6 days a week at my primary job that actually pays my bills. Hoping this gets reworked…
fuwaldah0 points1y ago
But their policies have.
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fuwaldah4 points1y ago
It doesn't strike me as a bad policy. I think it's more than fair.
Edit: I think it's fair for a company to have a minimum expectation to benefit from a job. What is unfair is the current system, which allows some managers to say "You have to work 20 hours a week, including one weekend" while other managers are allowed to say, "You need to take six months off to go to school? That's fine. I'll keep you on as long as you do your training modules each month."
This makes it more fair and consistent. Twelve hours is two shifts a week.
rudebii64 points1y ago
They want more availability but don’t want to give more hours. A partnership is a two-way street; if the siren wants more open availability, dish out commensurate hours.
That being said, they can do this legally, and the only way to really change it is by unionizing.
Starbucks_IVF_MAMA30 points1y ago
FACTS Why would I give you 150% availability for 15-20 hours a week?! It's insane!!
But I'm a burnt out partner who works about 10hrs a week with open availability 🙃
rudebii15 points1y ago
I was a closing lead at stores where no one wanted to close, so I carved a niche where I was given steady hours.
Really what they want to do is make scheduling easier at the expensive of forcing you to block out time they’ll almost never need you for, but might.
Frankly, it’s disrespectful and show how little they value your time.
Specialist-Tour391054 points1y ago
The official new policy is all partners must work a min of 12 hours a week on average per quarter( so doesn’t have to be each week but a good majority) and have an availability of 18 hours in the system. (Which can easily be obtained by just being fully open 2 day) Idk where this SM got this 150% availability from. That is not accurate.
ofCourseZu-ar23 points1y ago
If you work 12 hours, and are available for 12 of those hours (obviously, you are), the you have a 100% availability. 12/12 = 100%
If you work 12 hours, and are available for 18 hours, then you have 150% availability. 18/12 = 150% = 30/20 = 1.5/1
It's weird to phrase it like that but this is where that number comes from.
stillwantthewhip3 points1y ago
Yeah that’s fine when it’s for the 12 hour number, but it doesn’t scale.
otterpopemo6 points1y ago
THIS
Petty_Pentagon6062 points1y ago
Is this including shifts ?
Specialist-Tour39102 points1y ago
Yes, current partners will have until October to adjust
crunchycookie281 points1y ago
Thank you! I was confused
galaxyd1ngo41 points1y ago
I work one day a week with availability on a second day if needed. Starbucks is my “fun” job (because of partners, not corporate lol) that breaks up my awfully draining full-time job. If I have to quit, it will truly impact my mental health by losing my low pressure job and friends. My manager has NEVER given me a hard time about my availability.
ShannyES12 points1y ago
I am in the exact same boat. I work between 4-9 hours a week. I have no interest in working more than that.
galaxyd1ngo4 points1y ago
I physically cannot work more hours because of my ft schedule + commute to sb. Even if I transfer to a closer store, there’s no way to make it work. I wish corporate would stop making decisions for stores like this
fluffypuppy10429 points1y ago
This was poor and improper communication on your manager's part. This was an update that was given to store managers and above this week. Conversations with partners that would be affected by this new policy are supposed to occur beginning next week when there are more resources available. In the long run, it is not going to affect many partners, it is supposed to just make a standard across all stores so there is some consistency. Reach out to your DM if you have questions because your store manager completely twisted this update to make it something it is not!
otterpopemo9 points1y ago
Yes this. Also I don’t think that policy about 150% is accurate.
lakoooter27 points1y ago
they gonna be surprised when people start calling off a lot
Have_Donut25 points1y ago
I like it. A few people want to dictate their exact schedule and make everyone else have flex around it, which means your employees who have wider availabilities get weird scheduling. Had a girl that was working 2-3 3.5 hour shifts every week and it was too difficult to get the AM scheduled, as she would be leaving right in the middle of peak and only wanted to work at that specific time.
taserbabyy2 points1y ago
Honestly! We had a huge issue starting in June because interviewing people wanted summer jobs that worked around their vacation schedule and then they would be off to school in August. You have to work this job about two months before building confidence, hand on practice goes hand and hand with availability and helps you grow. I don’t understand why people get angry about SUPER limited availability when you’re not going to grow/gain confidence with very limited hours, not to mention it hurts other FULL TIME baristas to work you in. (This does not count for baristas that work in horrible cost of living vs. income areas-in my state people can make their living from Starbucks).
Snarfungus16 points1y ago
honestly if it means that i’m gonna get 30+ hours with my very open availability then i’m happy. (even though it probably won’t work like that and i’ll still be stuck at 20)
stillwantthewhip1 points1y ago
Yeah that’s not how it works. The manager put in some made up numbers.
roryascher2714 points1y ago
i think it’s dumb honestly. especially at my store, i always ask for 25 hours a week and i’m lucky if i get more than 15. even though the store is very short staffed constantly. and it happens to everyone!!! i have pretty open availability too. i work two jobs so i work one on tuesday-thursday and starbucks every other day and they always schedule me for like 3 or 4 hour shifts and it’s like, ridiculously frustrating. i’ve asked for longer shifts so many times (i live an hour away from sbux so i waste the majority of my paycheck in gas since they schedule me on dumbass hours) but they never give them to me. longest i’ve had recently was 5 hours 45 minutes. thankfully i’m going to be going full time at my other job soon so i won’t have to worry about fishing for hours anymore, and i’ll have a MUCH more steady schedule and routine. as much as i have loved working at starbucks, i’ve learned they do not value our time and they do not really care about the well being of our workers. it’s terrible!!!
teensofstyles12 points1y ago
imo this totally fucks over all the baristas who are minors or still in school. i live 30 mins away from work and i do stuff outside of school that impacts my availability. asking students to work more than they are comfortable with during the week is crazy. plus i have almost completely open avaliability right now and i get scheduled for 20 hrs every week lmfao
persona-21 points1y ago
18 really feel reasonable. One weekend day and two days after school. A lot of the high school partners where I am at work that until they are adults.
JunipherStar8 points1y ago
Was this on the weekly update? If so I totally missed it. I know a few partners who only work one or two days a week 😬
stillwantthewhip2 points1y ago
It was communicated only to store managers. We’re not supposed to talk about it yet.
Necessary_Low9398 points1y ago
It’s koo it’s koo. Cut all my hrs lol
lewabwee7 points1y ago
This is far from unreasonable. I’ve had a hard time working with partners who work less than 12 hours a week (by their own choice) before. They just don’t get enough practice to get all that good at it and need a lot of help and direction. You get enough people like that and it honestly just sucks so much ass. Also scheduling gets really funky sometimes because people have very very specific schedules and those schedules don’t make sense within the context of other people’s schedules and the stores business.
Other people have responded by bringing up complaints about how little they get scheduled despite wanting more hours and how few labor hours stores are given in the first place. Don’t get me wrong, I think if Starbucks wants this they should do more to guarantee their employee’s hours. Like the best employees work more. The ones who can be more dedicated and more useful have more open availability. That’s the whole point of this. So Starbucks should reward that behavior.
So this is all well and good but only if it’s a give and take and not just a take. The more people who can actually treat this as a full time job and their sole source of income the better of a work environment it’ll be.
Pylon-Cam3 points1y ago
In all fairness, I think it depends a lot on why a partner is working 12 hours or less.
Some of those partners have been at the company a long time and are really good at their jobs — it’s just that they got a new job and don’t have too much time to work at Starbucks.
lewabwee0 points1y ago
I mean the heart of the issue, I think, is on Starbucks because a lot of new partners don’t see it as being a viable full-time job because unless you’re at least a supervisor it isn’t (and even then the pay isn’t that great). Making this requirement in itself isn’t bad but if they want people to treat it like a real job they have to act like it’s a real job and keep the pay and hours decent.
I don’t really have a problem with any partner. Their behavior is symptomatic and Starbucks is the cause.
peepeepoopaccount6 points1y ago
Dumb for forcing hours but also kinda jealous since I want hours
Have_Donut8 points1y ago
Honestly it might get you more hours. Some stores are packed with baristas that only work 1 day a week so it frees up hours for other people
ShannyES5 points1y ago
I will have worked for this company 4 years in October. I work an average of 4-9 hours a week. I have called off twice in four years. Once for a death. Once for illness. I show up to my shifts and do my job.
If that’s not enough, that’s fine. At least I know where I stand.
Seems like a real weird time to be laying down minimums when we’re having trouble with adequate staffing. But go off…
Pictogeist5 points1y ago
I really think it's because corporate is trying to force out partners that have been with the company for more than a few years. Because most the people I've met that have been with the company for 3-6 years have cut their hours back to 1 or 2 shifts a week while working another job. They're also the ones advocating for better working standards and telling the new hires about all the negative changes corporate has made in their relatively short tenure
RevolutionaryEbb93525 points1y ago
I’m one of few that this new policy will royally fuck over. I work around 25-30 a week now, but I was planning on just working a singular 8 hour shift each Saturday when my college classes start back up. I need loads of time to study for my major, so fuck me I guess
Ordinary-Theory-8289-2 points1y ago
Honestly, Starbucks isn’t hiring people out of the goodness of their heart. If you told any job you’re only available one day a week good luck finding someone to hire you
canidieyet_2 points1y ago
starbucks is the only company i’ve seen allow employees to work 1 day a week, sometimes with hours as short as 3.5 hours. granted, i’ve only had two jobs so maybe it’s more common than i think
RevolutionaryEbb93521 points1y ago
During my interviews, I brought it up and was told that Starbucks is exceptionally good with partners who are also students. I knew bringing it up would decrease my chance of getting hired, but that if they didn’t comply with my schedule I would have to leave, yet they hired me. I’m not sure what changed corporate-wise to provoke these new guidelines, but this isn’t looking good for me.
i know you mean no harm, but at the end of the day I am a student before I am a barista. really hoping I won’t have to leave the company as I love working at my location
Financial_Hand36855 points1y ago
I'm available 45, but if I remain available for 45, I should at the very least get 34 on the schedule! So this is just plain bs! Schedule me to actually work instead of scheduling me to be available because someone calls out is bs mentality!
canidieyet_2 points1y ago
me too!! i’m available 40+ hours, but i’m getting scheduled 17.5 🤔
meanwhile the people only available for 15 hours get scheduled 30+ and have to call out 🙃 my store wouldn’t be understaffed if my manager didn’t ignore availability
morningchampagne4 points1y ago
This is actually a really old rule that no one really enforces. It says in the barista guide that the availability of baristas must match the store need. Years ago it said it in similar terms like this. It’s not as bad as it seems. It’s just asking that if you want 12 hrs 16 is available and if you want 20 you need 30 available etc. that’s 150%. Managers might use this rule if they have too many partners working just one day a week. Starbucks does have a goal for store managers to average the store hours to 20 hrs per barista. This way the majority of the team qualifies for full benefits. This says to me that they have availability needs at specific day parts and no one to schedule but they don’t have enough hours to really look for a new barista. It would be hard to find someone who wants like 8 hours a week but only on Tuesday and Thursday between 5am-9am for example. By having the whole team give more availability this can save them for having to hire someone for those specific times and hurting the hours of existing partners.
Ven7Niner3 points1y ago
The 12 hour minimum is irrelevant. The 150% availability is the biggest pile of horse shit I’ve ever seen.
stillwantthewhip2 points1y ago
That’s made up by the manager.
Ven7Niner1 points1y ago
I’m not sure if that makes it worse or better
stillwantthewhip1 points1y ago
Working minimum 12 hours with minimum of availability of 18 hours is correct, it was communicated to SMs in their weekly update. The 150% is fake, that’s not part of it.
Ven7Niner1 points1y ago
So the logical extrapolation to 150% availability is strictly a store policy to prevent partners from working a second job…
grlcbr8th3 points1y ago
I’ve always been told that’s the policy oop
jakhei2 points1y ago
I work in a college starbucks and this is going to ruin a lot of my coworkers ability to work for this company. So many of us joined BECAUSE of the flexibility, and forcing us to work this much will end up losing a chunk of our employees. I’ll personally be ok, as I am a shift who works 25 usually, but like… this blows.
Wonderful_Nightmare2 points1y ago
This is fucking bullshit
No-Tea26792 points1y ago
i’ll be leaving before this hits, but as someone who has been begging my manager for more hours (only getting 4-8 a week with open availability), i’m wondering how overstaffed stores will handle this… so glad it won’t be my problem
nodnarb_thebarista2 points1y ago
I don’t see any problem with it. It is only 2 -3 shifts a week on average.
sp_c_g_d2 points1y ago
Wonder if they’ll give y’all the payroll to make this work OR if you’ll have to cut hours from other people to meet this standard.
chellichelli2 points1y ago
Tbh I thought this was already the standard. 🤔
CheetoBurrito242 points1y ago
Oh let me guess they will implement this into the unionized/unionizing stores without a thought but deny to even bargain for the new unilateral benefits? The exact same procedure for both to legally be implemented into such stores is the same!
Astraterris2 points1y ago
Well shit. I only work about 4hrs a week. Does this mean I’ll have to quit?
ShannyES1 points1y ago
Kinda what I’m wondering too. 🤔
kazukawaa1 points11m ago
Sounds good to me personally
mikokai1 points1y ago
been with Starbucks for 4 years but have been part time for maybe 1 year. Even if I change to full availability they offered 20-25 hrs and that’s not even guaranteed. Love this job and company but I feel like this policy is forcing me to resign 😕😕
marflowr1 points1y ago
My SM was trying to get me to open up my availability by like 15 more hours. I work another job, so that was just impossible for me so I'm being let go. (Which is fine, because i was about to put in my notice since im moving for college in a couple weeks. so thats not the point). She said that she had to talk to multiple people about it, and she's prioritizing people who dont work other jobs. Basically, if you only work a couple days a week (bc of school or another job) and you cant open your availability, she's taking you off the schedule.
I dont really see how thats going to solve our labor issues. A LOT of people work other jobs to make ends meet, or work while theyre in school. It doesnt really make sense to me. My store is about to lose multiple good partners because of it.
Personally, its not affecting me much (since i was leaving anyway). But I know it'll probably be affecting others more heavily, including the people staying who are about to be very understaffed.
h0we1 points1y ago
As if they would ever let someone work 45 hours a week? They yell at you for going 5 minutes above 40hrs.
damien_bryce1 points1y ago
When was this posted?
LemonDraaide1 points1y ago
Just no... hold a manager, or anyone from corporate up to those standards and they'd say no... so just no... if they want more work, offer more pay, done deal. Especially with the economy omy right now, wtf?
persona-21 points1y ago
Managers generally have open availability which is way more then 150%. Corporate probably not.
tbhayate1 points1y ago
this is going to majorly fuck over every college student who isn't selling their soul to this leech company, myself included. i only work 11 hours a week, the rest of my time is spent in class or studying because i am in medical school. once this comes into effect, if i get laid off, i'm royally screwed. i hope SMs can still work with partners who cannot increase their hours and availability for reasons like school, or i'm gonna be looking for a new job :/
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GreedyKiwi331 points1y ago
my store already goes by this
stillwantthewhip1 points1y ago
The 150% is made up. That’s not part of the changes.
jadedrawseyes1 points1y ago
It prevents abuse of power because there is a corporate written rule on it
sodakinq1 points1y ago
yeah but they won’t even schedule you for over 10 hours , go off I guess
Baby_Rocket_Ship1 points1y ago
I work 30 hours a week but I’m not gonna make myself available for 45 hours. It’s bull
Gameb0i61 points1y ago
Fake. My manager hasn’t told us anything like this. Prolly a licensed store with a shitty manager.
stillwantthewhip2 points1y ago
The 150% is made up, but the rest is true.
Gameb0i61 points1y ago
Idk about that. My manager hasn’t told us any of this. I’ll believe it when I see it
stillwantthewhip1 points1y ago
I’m a store manager
cxtrying1 points1y ago
I literally thought this was a joke when I started reading omg
g_pvp_31 points1y ago
we already started this last month
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CommanderWar641 points1y ago
I want to work 40 hours a week, is that not possible? Starbucks is a day to day operation. There is no excuse except corporate greed to explain it.
captaineggbagels1 points1y ago
Is this an American thing only? Or a Canadian thing as well?
OMGitsJewelz1 points1y ago
The 12 hours a week makes sense to me. There's some partners at my store who are scheduled one 4 hour shift a week... Then they get that shift covered and they haven't been here in like 2 months... But they get all the benefits of working at Starbucks like their markout and discount. It doesn't make sense. 12 hours a week is not too much to ask.
hotcheetomamii1 points1y ago
is this company wide? pretty ridiculous if you want 40 hours you’re gonna need to be available for like 60
stillwantthewhip1 points1y ago
The 150% is made up by the manager. The rest yes, it was communicated to SMs and above.
TEMPEST-Attack1 points1y ago
Whoa, was this in a weekly update?
stillwantthewhip1 points1y ago
It was communicated to managers only
himynametopher1 points1y ago
It seems like they could be doing this to prevent people part-time from working at the store for the sole purpose of unionizing the store. I could be wrong, but with all the anti-union bullshit I’ve seen from this company, I wouldn’t be surprised.
Ordinary-Theory-82893 points1y ago
Who takes a job they don’t want for “the sole purpose of unionizing it” lol
himynametopher2 points1y ago
It’s called salting it’s a very common practice less common now but was a big thing back when workers had power
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Main_Friendship_66230 points1y ago
From a SSV who is training to be a SM, I can tell you this is what every store should be doing. I work at a licensed store and I do have to admit that most of the new hires we have at out store start with this amazing availability Mon-Sat 9-5. Then after a couple of weeks the start adding more days off to their availability and it puts management in a tough situation to find coverage. In my store everyone has to save Sat-Sun availability no matter what.
sashiyaki0 points1y ago
Personally, 12 hours is not a lot. Work two 6.5 or 7 shifts a week. But, I’m sure if you have a valid reason to work less than 12, that your manager would hopefully listen to you and allow it.
accountedthrowaway5-5 points1y ago
manager must be making their own rules or sumn cause i have not seen anything like this at all
BatWeary4 points1y ago
same. is this going to be a new standard or what?
celloqueer1 points1y ago
I have not seen where it’s been announced but my Sm has mentioned this.
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