Told today I can no longer “use religion to take a day off”(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by Euphoric_Ad1240
I have been a Christian all my life and Sunday is typically a traditional day of rest. We spend Sundays at church and then resting with friends and family. We typically order food, get chores done Saturday and make sure that there is no work to be done on the sabbath. However, today I was told I’d have to change my availability because they can no longer give me Sundays off. We don’t have the staff for it apparently. When I said kindly “I understand however sunday I have religious obligations and am unable to work” I was told it wasn’t an “acceptable excuse” and that I cannot “use my religion to take Sundays off”….. um… what? How do I handle this? I can’t lose my job, my husband and I support ourselves and our 6 month old. It’s not my fault they don’t hire enough people or give others enough hours. Why must I go against my own faith because they can’t keep employees?
Responsible_Snow7109296 points11m ago
Wow she said sundays off for religion is not an acceptable excuse? Whats not an acceptable excuse is her making the staffing issues ur problem
vegan-trash45 points11m ago
Fr. I can’t imagine the staffing if the manager has to single out OP. I’ve actually never heard of a manager saying an already approved avail is no longer acceptable, unless that’s normal?
Responsible_Snow71098 points11m ago
Well ive heard people on here say that their managers have kept their availabilities the same for a while from when they stated it and then randomly without communicating, they change it and i also heard other times where they do actually talk to the person about it and tell them its not working anymore. Its really not cool. Like how is amy of that the baristas fault that u didnt hire enough people or need to hire more people? Like u cant just let someone continue taking sundays off for religious obligations and then all of a sudden tell them its not guna work anymore that way. That is absolutely the SMs problem
newday2001280 points11m ago
Yeahhh , obviously your store manager doesn’t get it, so I would talk to your district manager about the situation, if they don’t accommodate you should call ethics and compliance— phone number and steps to take should be where y’all keep the schedules at your store :) best of luck, that’s very unfair of your manager
NOTcreative-27 points11m ago
Try it but I wouldn’t count on DM being understanding. File a complaint with EEOC
Jaded-Finish-3075231 points11m ago
escalate this to HR
ThankfulWonderful58 points11m ago
Yes!!!! We can make requests for reasonable accommodations. @OP- Call Pr to start the request for a religious accommodation !!!!
StormTheParade154 points11m ago
HAHAHA this is genuinely illegal if you are in the United States. Employers are required to provide religious accommodation - within reason, of course, but they have to prove that giving you the Sabbath off will cause "undue hardship" to the company.
Take it to the DM and call PCC.
BatWeary28 points11m ago
Yuuuup. My SM tried to pull a stunt like this on Easter when a couple of my religious coworkers said they weren’t able to come in. I told them to call off & tell the DM immediately.
lilmissambersue115 points11m ago
That's absurd. It's religious accommodation,, they have to allow your schedule to stay the same. Especially since you were hired with that availability. It's not your fault the store is short staffed. It's theirs. Hire an extra person. I would definitely call your DM. I'm new so I don't know alot but I feel there is something than can be done
aint_that_right89 points11m ago
So a few things here,
1) Your SM is allowed to make decisions about what availability they’re willing to accept from you. 2) You have a right to apply for a religious accommodation through Sedgwick which, if approved, can get your Sundays off. However a religious accommodation is a difficult accommodation to get just FYI 3) If you call Ethics, PRC, your DM, etc. they’re all going to tell you the same thing, get a religious accommodation. 4) Your manager is, technically speaking, not allowed to accommodate you without an official accommodation because it can, again technically, be construed as favoritism. This is the same reason I make everyone apply for an accommodation, regardless of the nature of their request.
kay-yoh29 points11m ago
>If you call Ethics, PRC, your DM, etc. they’re all going to tell you the same thing, get a religious accommodation.
This!
As a current retail slave who has Sundays off for religious obligations and is also studying HR Management in university, I cannot stress enough the need to follow official channels.
You can get the verbal agreement of any manager in the company, but if it isn't on paper, **it might as well not exist.**
I fought to get Sunday morning off. I work for a big box retailer and I had an understanding HR, but my direct manager was unwilling to discuss it.
I finally realized after stressing to my manager for the thousandth time that I was undergoing conversion and there was an expectation that I attend services and church functions, that "the word" of my HR didn't amount to anything when my manager could go and make any changes she wanted.
EyesOpenedWide3118 points11m ago
But if their availability from the beginning has them off on Sunday’s then the SM can’t touch that because they accepted that already. So she can’t just make the partner change their availability to have Sunday’s included. Unless it’s isn’t the US. But then again that really sucks in any case.
aint_that_right22 points11m ago
An SM can literally say “Unless you’re able to give me availability on [x] day I cannot continue to employ you.” This is rarely done but I’m about to have 4 conversations with baristas who have less than 18 hours of availability and give them the option to either open up their availability or be separated. Company policy is that your availability has to accommodate business needs first and foremost! That’s just the reality of it. Thankfully most SM’s would rather hire another person to work those days (though this cuts into other partners hours usually).
Wheebers144 points11m ago
Yes and no. If they have fewer than 18 hours available, 12 hours each week, then they have to expand availability, but it does not require that one of those days be Sunday. If they update their availability and had Sundays originally, now wanting it off, the SM can reject it. If this person was hired without Sundays and they have 18+ hours availability, willing to work all other days of the week, then they can still have no Sundays.
aint_that_right6 points11m ago
I know I mentioned the new policy but that was just as a singular example and I wasn’t trying to directly link it to the situation.
This partner can be separated if they’re unwilling to have an availability that meets business needs. At least that’s the truth here in Colorado (I’ve seen it done multiple times, especially with people who have sun 20 hour availability). This is regardless of hours worked or being above 18 hours of availability.
EyesOpenedWide313 points11m ago
Well then that’s a shit manager to do that
GarbageValuable18882 points11m ago
Weird. This spring I had 10 hours of availability per week (Sat + Sun only) & often had to take Saturdays off. No hard conversation with my manager (she was totally fine with it) & our store isn’t well staffed. Training just one barista costs the company thousands and thousands of dollar - separating someone bc they can’t work more is just losing money for the company. It’s in the best interests of the company to retain its part time personnel. Management (DM & RM, not SM bc Ik y’all have limited day on your areas policy) has got to get it together in your district/region.
cookiemonstah872 points11m ago
I actually quit recently because I had to cut down my availability to weekends only (any hours, though) and SM said no. Now he's even more understaffed, especially on weekends, and half of our store likes to call out on Sundays. I don't understand the logic, but I'm also not broken up about it
ChezShea1 points11m ago
And yet this is exactly why I have to promote myself to customer, because there’s no way with other employment for me to be available 18 hours per week and keep afloat with an average 12 hours worked. I feel like I’m being thrown away and I don’t appreciate it, despite my decade of service.
Seriously_jst_4real1 points11m ago
I think Sundays are a hard day to staff in general. So if you're willing to work Sunday particularly a long shift, your manager may be more accommodating or less willing to bring up your limited availability with higher ups.
Has nothing to do with this particular case I realize. But I'd think since they were hired on being unavailable on Sundays on their paperwork would mean something though.
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emmalllemma54 points11m ago
Religious things or not, if you aren’t available, you aren’t available. For me, I couldn’t be there Saturdays because I had class, and (non religious person speaking) both are important to a persons well being and having a social life outside of work.
fuwaldah40 points11m ago
Are they requiring every partner in the store to work on Sunday?
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]84 points11m ago
I don’t believe so. We have some partners who don’t work weekends at all. I was hired with the approval of Sundays off.
fuwaldah60 points11m ago
Then tell your DM that you feel you are being unfairly treated.
livingfortheliquid30 points11m ago
yeah, I feel this would only hold water if they made everyone take Sunday Shifts, like a rotation. The hospital my wife works at has a rule that everyone must work at weekends a month. This includes management, nurses, and cleaning staff everyone. They need it to keep staffed and so some people don't get every weekend off and others never a weekened. Only works because it included everyone.
Sarahthelizard14 points11m ago
> We have some partners who don’t work weekends at all.
Oh hayyyyyyl no, I get Sundays off for this reason. (athiest but family isn't) Escalate to your DM, your schedule is your schedule.
Art3mmis9 points11m ago
i also was hired with the approval of sundays off, and i have yet to work a sunday without voluntarily picking up a shift. our store even got a new sm and has been so short staffed we had to close early, but i agreed to work with the availability of every sunday off. that’s the deal y’all made and i’m 95% sure they can’t FORCE you to change that. they could not approve a change of availability request, but they can’t say “hey you have to work this day now or we’re firing you”. definitely go to your dm and pr
Chemical-Less4 points11m ago
id fact check this, but i dont believe they can legally deny you religious accommodation (if youre in the us that is). Ask for her decision and reason in writing and then show it to hr or ethics and compliance (or document her refusal to give it to you in writing and go to them with that)
haikusbot23 points11m ago
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That's not a haiku
stormy-nights7 points11m ago
Yes it is, 5 7 5
muhkayluh_z6 points11m ago
I pronounce it re-qwi-er-ing so I was also confused. Dialects and stuff
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Depends how many syllables you say requiring and every as, to be fair.
fuwaldah-1 points11m ago
No, it's 6, 8, 5.
livingfortheliquid19 points11m ago
As an Athiest, I'll be taking Sundays off too from now on. I definitely would rather deal with the church than work Sunday.
Sounds like an HR issue to me because your manager seems like a fucking idiot.
rudebii10 points11m ago
I can’t say this will help for sure, but before applying for an official religious accommodation I suggest talking to your pastor/reverend/etc. first. Explain your situation, they may be able to coach you on how to write an effective and clear case for an accommodation. Maybe a letter explaining why having the Sabbath off is important and why you need that accommodation granted would go a long way.
looker00910 points11m ago
Call ethics and bring up Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Unless your manager requires every single partner to be available on Sunday, that is religious discrimination. Also does your state have it's own labor board?
EyesOpenedWide318 points11m ago
Wait so they asked you to change your availability to include Sunday’s? Is that right? Because if that’s the case then no sorry, they have your availability that they approved and they cannot change that without your consent. So yes call ethics and compliance but also know you do NOT have to fill out a new availability form because they already okayed the initial one. And also it’s not your problem they are understaffed that’s their problem to fix not you or the other partners. They are trying to take advantage of all of you and the right thing to do would be to change the store hours to accommodate everyone’s APPROVED availabilities. I fucking hate people sometimes.
Also I’m not sure you are in the US.
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]3 points11m ago
I am in the US
RevolutionaryEbb93527 points11m ago
i’m not even religious and see that this is a massive problem on management’s end
omsphoenix7 points11m ago
I've always felt like this was the same as smokers who take more breaks that the non-smokers and somehow that's acceptable. I'm conflicted on this because in that work environment you kinda have to at least work weekends every so often. I'm assuming you work Saturday. Idk but this is also coming from a non-religious person who has seen so many abuse the whole religion excuse. I hate it.
RexRoman207 points11m ago
I’m not religious and this makes me mad for you. That’s absolutely ridiculous. Definitely call the partner help line, your DM, and the ethics number.
Thisisntreal1156 points11m ago
Just email your dm, and go higher if you have to. I also don’t work Sundays though… If it was an issue they shouldn’t have hired you, yet they did… it’s on them at this point. (What state do you line in btw).
blondealice5 points11m ago
Title 7 covers religion and religious accommodation, that’s what you point out. Call HR if you need too. It should be hung up in your break room. It’s good if you do get hr involved because if your manager starts cutting your hours it can be seen as a form of retaliation.
lewabwee5 points11m ago
Lol I love all the massively illegal shit that gets posted here. It’s not awful at all. /s
FlowerCurious5814 points11m ago
Super illegal, call a lawyer to sue, easily winnable case of religious discrimination. Any good lawyer would take the case.
HamiltonPolka4 points11m ago
Ohhhhh. I’ve heard of this. It’s because Starbucks doesn’t give a shit about its employees.
rayaofsuunshine4 points11m ago
Escalate it to your DM, then E&C if nothing happens, go to Department of Labor, also keep a paper trail, because that is religious discrimination, and if they (Starbucks) let it happen, alot of lawyers will go pro bono and you can get a hefty settlement for it
ThisGuyTokes4204 points11m ago
Lol @ them
My availability is 6 days a week and Sunday is my only day for golf. They couldn't take that away from me if they tried.
Honey_Ginger4 points11m ago
Unionize
Accomplished-Bad38564 points11m ago
What happens at an exploitative business or company is that if they are forced to give you a day off for religious observance, they will find a way to give you more days off than you can handle.
Work when we want you to, or don’t work at all.
You can’t be forced to work on days of religious observance because you have freedom of religion and if you have the resources to escalate it in court, you’re likely to get a desirable outcome. Most people don’t have those resources.
They can’t fire you because of your religion, that’s discrimination. They can however fire you for any other reason they can find. That’s what a company ignoring the ethical obligation to their employees will do.
CamdenF4 points11m ago
There should be an “ethics” line to call in the BOH. Maybe give them a shout to see what your options are.
the_price_is_right963 points11m ago
Yeah. So this is illegal. And if they try to fire you for not showing up on a Sunday even if you are scheduled, that's also illegal.
LemonDraaide3 points11m ago
Illegal as fuck... go straight to your DM. (I would do this before going to HR). This is extremely inappropriate, and tell your DM that you are ready to contact HR at a moments notice. That's a fire-able offense for your GM, and they should feel a shit ton of pressure for being a dickhead about that entire situation.
Religion is one of those excuses you just don't touch... and your GM just did... so now you have all the power in this situation, don't feel bad about it, your GM fucked up.
Do everything by email, create a paper trail that you can use to take to HR. If your DM wants to meet in person, record the meeting without telling anyone. This is now all about you, and don't expect your GM or DM to have your back AT ALL.... this is now all about you, and now your DM and GM are going to be in emergency mode all about themselves, so cover your own ass.
Edit: after looking at the comments, u/aint_that_right seems to have the best grasp of it, id take their advice and get the religious accommodation before doing anything else.
ConfusedFey3 points11m ago
Your manager cannot make you change your availability. Take it to district/regional/HR
leeblissy2 points11m ago
religious reasons or otherwise, your availability is your availability and needs to be respected. your manager is being ridiculous and needs to either hire more staff or get over themselves.
personally, I have set my availability around my weekly dnd sessions and my manager has asked no questions or for the most part ever bothered me about it. occasionally he'll ask if I can cover someone on that day, but then I just say I can't I'm not available this day of the week and then there's no further questions.
this is the absolute bare minimum that should be expected of a manager regarding availability and if your manager isn't adhering to it then they're not doing their job well. I hope everything gets sorted out. I'd hesitate to call this type of behavior "discriminatory" since christianity is the majority religion in the americas and europe (assuming you live there) but it is certainly very shitty.
Modernorthodoxy2 points11m ago
This is illegal.
Get your district manager involved, and if they don’t support you escalate it further.
You can legally sue them over this. Good luck.
MannyMonstera2 points11m ago
Ummmmm SUE Starbucks got money
mstuver152 points11m ago
Get that in writing, and sue the ever loving fuck out of your store. Power hungry management who will never admit personal fault will always listen to a lawsuit :)
philosopher_cat_lady2 points11m ago
That's illegal. It's religious discrimination. Tell your DM
Minute-General-20902 points11m ago
that's actually illegal to do... they legally can't deny your request to have a day where you are unavailable for religious reasons. It's apart of the title VII of the civil rights act of 1964 which says an employer must not discriminate against their employee, which includes not accommodating their religious practices (which is having Sunday off). although the act also says an employer can deny you only if it brings a distress to the company (which you mention your SM said he can't find coverage and it would "harm" the store, you not working on Sundays) it's a loop hole an employer can use.
but in reality, I'm sure he is pulling some sort of power move on you. it's literally one day you need specifically off and nothing more. I'm sure if you do go to HR and say this is discrimination (which you legally can) he can pull the loop hole that your day off effects the store's ability to function (which in reality is probably a lie)
ItzBoogieMan2 points11m ago
Manager Fired
thebrownbullofcooley2 points11m ago
escalate to partner resources my dude
Scoutbrew2 points11m ago
Don’t know about other countries but I’m canada they cannot do that. We have the human rights code that says region is protected and you have every right to have that day off
Assiqtaq2 points11m ago
So that is the last time you should ever give a reason why your availability is the way it is. "I'm not available" is acceptable. "Personal reasons" if asked again. None of their business. I assume you applied to the job with that availability. Therefor they knew when they hired you.
Toomanyboringpeople2 points11m ago
Call HR 100% that is not okay
Deadrax5022 points11m ago
Suuuuuuue
Pylon-Cam2 points11m ago
Why don’t you believe this?
I’ve seen several cases in which store managers require people be available weekends.
heyitsmaria246 points11m ago
They’re saying “sue” not “sure” lol at first I read it like that too
Deadrax5022 points11m ago
I said Sue my bad😂 I can see the confusion.
Zealousideal-Star4482 points11m ago
Call ethics and compliance, there should be a spall poster of it in your back room. It’s blue. If your American this is against your constitutional rights! And see if you can get it in writing why they are forcing you to change your schedule. Was there any other partners who heard this said? Keep this in mind and write it all down in detail
Enkeria921 points11m ago
That’s a violation of the First Amendment 🤣 report that shit immediately
Put_Me_In_Coach961 points11m ago
Nah go straight to PRSC. That’s unreal - this company is so ridiculous
Due-Ear81051 points11m ago
Absolutely go to HR with this. Religion is always an acceptable reason for your availability and they have no right to tell you that you have to work outside of your availability. Good luck!!
bryceofswadia1 points11m ago
Do you have a paper trail for that comment? Because this is definitely some sort of violation.
AH_Money1 points11m ago
Let me preface this with: Get a free consultation from an employment lawyer.
But from what you've laid out, it seems your employer has been well aware of you not working Sundays for religious reasons. This sounds like a reasonable religious accommodation. Employers typically have to honor these unless it causes them what's called "undue hardship," like legitimate financial or workplace safety issues — not just speculative. (Source: $1.)
Employers also aren't allowed to take negative action against you (i.e. firing or disciplining you or treating you differently) because of your religion or religious accommodations. If they do, I definitely suggest seeking a lawyer and at least $1.
cpv_911 points11m ago
Your SM is a piece of shit. They are incapable of doing their job right so they're laying it at your feet. I've been a partner since 2004 and started with an availability that has NEVER included Sunday. In all that time I have worked 2 Sundays as a favor for different SMs but I have never changed my availability, and would never, to include Sunday considering we have people in our store who won't work a Saturday or Sunday because they're TOO STRESSFUL (and no they don't have accommodations on file).
As a side note.. We've had 11 managers in all that time and not one has ever tried to bully me into changing my availability to include Sundays.
lilbaristap1 points11m ago
if it was a store manager or a SSV who told you this make a report to the district manager or go on the partner hotline. you are not obligated to ignore religious duties because of understaffing.
akharris_20151 points11m ago
To a point yes, but then everyone uses that reason. Call PSRC. You can take a portion of the day off for religious reasons. Also, the manager has to require this of ALL staff.
IPNV1 points11m ago
This is why we need escalation training
Exhausted_mama931 points11m ago
That’s literally illegal. Religion is protected under the same discrimination laws as sex, marital status and disability. Escalate this as high as you can get it!
Downtown_Asparagus711 points11m ago
We’re you taking Saturday too ?
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]3 points11m ago
Nope. Wednesday and Sunday. Wednesday I told them I need off because I have a 6 month old who was born preemie and she has a lot of doctors appointments so I designate one day off a week for those
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Teddyisadog_1 points11m ago
Lol. Starbucks is a Monday-Sunday business. By all means, attempt to receive a religious accommodation through the proper means, but at the same time go work at chick-fil-a if you want Sunday’s off. If you are not available to meet the needs of the business as deemed by your sm then they do not have to accommodate a weekend day off for you. Wouldn’t we all like Sunday’s off to rest???? Yeah. At any point, your sm can decide that your availability no longer fits the needs of the business. It is an availability request and your employment is at will.
rayaofsuunshine3 points11m ago
This mindset is very damaging, I dont get the mindset of, if you want sundays off, you have to work somewhere closed on Sundays. Also the SM cant just force someone to change their availability, as well, this isnt just a case of availability for the hell of it, as the SM knows that the reason for the availability is religious, termination of employment would open up the doors for litigation based off of the Civil Rights Act, as firing someone, knowingly, for having availability ( which was already approved mind you) that deals with religious reasons, would be religious discrimination.
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piratedashel-9 points11m ago
“Your availability doesn’t meet the store needs” and that is accurate.
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]6 points11m ago
Well my husband works evenings. Unless Starbucks wants to pay for child care… but that’s the thing, at my store, morning shift is where we need people so that doesn’t seem to be the issue. I used to work MTTFS 7-2:30 no problem since February. I’m just curious why it has to change.
piratedashel0 points11m ago
They will pay some child care. Care.com. I
piratedashel-3 points11m ago
I’ve done this for 15 years. Give them the hours to schedule you, or lose them position
Pylon-Cam6 points11m ago
Well you’re not a store manager I’d ever work under, that’s for damn sure.
You’re rude, inconsiderate, and you clearly don’t give a damn about your partners. Guess what — you’re the store manager. It’s YOUR job to go out and hire people with availability that fits the store’s needs. You don’t just get to force your partners to change THEIR availability because YOU did a bad job hiring.
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]6 points11m ago
But why would the boss man hire me with that availability approved and then change it? He knew I took them. He’s even said “I know it’s your responsibility to take a day off” when he asked me to pick up a shift once..
piratedashel0 points11m ago
Idk what you are saying.
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]5 points11m ago
The boss hired me months ago and approve my having Sundays off. He has even acknowledged my reasoning. Why would he all of a sudden change it?
piratedashel-9 points11m ago
If your availability is shitty the rest of the week, then Sunday will be a problem. Make sure the rest of the week is open. The availability of the store and your availability is not the stores problem.
Gameb0i6-4 points11m ago
I’m with your manager on this. Religion isn’t a valid excuse to have a day off
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]2 points11m ago
How??
t3llm3m0re1 points11m ago
Then you should work every day, seems like you’re up to it.
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nick1995g-18 points11m ago
You can always go to Chick Fil A if you need Sudays off that badly
Euphoric_Ad1240 [OP]15 points11m ago
I have previously worked for one but I now live no where near one plus they don’t pay as well here
YouthfullyFeed1 points11m ago
Cornball
nickintheback080 points11m ago
Why’s this being downvoted it was so funny
nick1995g-1 points11m ago
1. I know right??? Also might not have any sympathy for Christians right now seeing that the US is about to have a Christian Facist take over
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