My supervisors constantly tell me my disability isn't a reason not to come in, it literally effects my mobility, just moved to the state I'm in and was homeless before that(I don't even have a bed to sleep on atm) that I have a second full-time job but I don't want to leave Starbucks(been a partner since around 2010, shitty delema to be in
sheep_heavenly38 points11m ago
My recommendation is to get your accommodations on file. Unlike what many management believe you are entitled to time off to manage your chronic condition as part of the ADA.
You'll get paperwork from Starbucks and from your doctor to submit back to Starbucks. Then, in almost every state as far as I remember, you have access to 12 weeks worth of (unpaid) leave that can be taken intermittently to care for yourself.
It's very much reasonable.
SelocAvrap6 points11m ago
The intermittent time is guaranteed under FMLA (time off is called family medical leave or FML, which is what I say when I have to take off unpaid time lol), and if you want specifics on FMLA time you can check the government website for that. Starbucks has that all administrated through Sedgwick, so you'll want to call them if you want to open an intermittent leave claim & have your doctor fill out how frequently you'll need time off, but the time is all job and benefit protection
Definitely a good recommendation on accomodations where possible, and worth asking if there are any short term disability options regarding payment
Loolander25 points11m ago
5 year SSV here and I'll chime in. First, I'm sorry you have a disability that affects your mobility, as someone who has lived with chronic pain in the past I have the utmost empathy for your situation. I also want to say that pulling yourself out of homelessness is a real feat, and not having a bed to sleep on is probably making your situation harder, so you have my respect for your constant work that you're putting in to fight the shitty hand you've been dealt and better yourself.
However, you have a job at Starbucks, that job is not just a commitment to the company, but to your team and your leaders. If you have a disability that doesn't allow you to fulfill your role, I would ask yourself if this is the job for you. Obviously I don't know your story, and you were vague about your disability, but Starbucks is a physically demanding job, and it sounds like it might be aggravating your disability to the point where you feel like you shouldn't have to come in when it's flaring up. I agree with you, you shouldn't have to come in when you're having a flare up that makes it so you can't work.
But when you work for the company, and your name is on the schedule that represents a contract between you and the team. The contract states "I will be here at this time for this amount of hours" When you aren't there and you don't give adequate time to find coverage, things get thrown into crisis mode, people on their days off have to be called, hours might be adjusted, mobiles might get turned off, cafe might get closed (if you're at a drive through) Which then in turn affects how much labor the store earns from corporate, making following schedules feel even tighter. But in the moment for the partners that are there because they can fulfill their contracts, their day and life just got significantly more stressful, as they're down a person. Your coworkers are all people too, and they all deserve to have the highest quality experience working for the company that they can. And someone who is consistently unreliable brings down the partner experience for the entire team, as they're all left scrambling every time there's an unexpected callout. This isn't to say it's your fault, or to lay blame or have you feel bad about yourself, it's simply what happens when there is constant callouts at a location.
Perhaps you can work with your manager to find an accommodation, perhaps your schedule could be adjusted so that you don't work Sbux more than 2 days in a row to alleviate stress on your disability. Hopefully you can find a solution that allows you to care for yourself and continue to work. But if you can't find something that allows you to work the shifts you're scheduled, I would ask yourself "Is this the right job for me?" And it's okay if it isn't. It isn't for everyone, it's demanding physically, emotionally, and mentally. And I would also try and see the other partners experience from a place of empathy. They're supposed to be your team, the people you stand shoulder to shoulder with and you should be doing everything you can to support them. If you don't see them that way, then maybe the team isn't right for you, because you really do need a solid team around you when you're working in a job like this. A few bad apples can really spoil the bunch, I know. I've worked at stores with mean SSV's and I've worked for horrible managers, and they've made my life at the company hell.
I hope this helps, I can understand why a SSV could be frustrated, and maybe they're not having empathy for you, but you should also try and understand why they might be trying to convince you to not call out.
blante1023 [OP]-3 points11m ago
I let all the ssv's and store manager know a day before that I wasn't feeling well and I asked the people who were asking for hours if they could work them. I did everything by the book so as long as I do that do I deserve the judgement? I can't control the pain I can't control when my body decides it's not going to cooperate.
I've asked for accomodations and gotten the direct opposite of what I've asked to the point where I asked for a simple bathroom break which would have helped that day and they said no to the bathroom break then sent me on a 10 when it was busy to the point where making my drink took the whole 10( strawberry lemonade refresher lt ice not berries not hard) The other thing is they are super cool letting people go home for simple headaches if they bitch enough I did things the way they asked and still get judged and talked down on I kill it when I work I've improved there Dt time to 35 during peak I've improved there tips when I'm on register like gimme a break when my disability starts to flair up. Also would you rather have someone come in and drag their feet or just already prepare for having to pick up someones slack when I was a shift I would just say f it because I rather you rest and come back strong then come in a slack and me have to pick you and the slack up that's just me tho
TargetWide88438 points11m ago
I think you missed the point a little bit
Loolander-1 points11m ago
They didn't. Not at all.
istolehannah2 points11m ago
I’m sorry you are going through this. You absolutely shouldn’t be getting treated like this and if you need to talk or have any questions on intermittent FMLA or how to get accommodations if your SM didn’t actually help you get them formally (your SM should have made sure you got them approved through the prsc to make sure everything is actually on the up and up) message me anytime.
Loolander1 points11m ago
Yeah then forget pretty much everything I said. I was trying to assume best intentions on the side of the team. But not letting you take a bathroom break? That's literally not legal. Read up on OSHA, they legally have to let you use the bathroom when you need to.
It sounds like you've done everything right my guy, and the team is just like I said in my original post, not right for you. You should see if there's another Sbux close to you and see if a transfer could be worked out. I'd even reach out to your DM and talk them through everything you're facing cuz it sounds low key awful, or maybe even start an ethics and compliance complaint against your manager for violating the ADA and potentially violating OSHA by not allowing you prompt access to a bathroom.
The other stuff about spending your entire break waiting for your drink? That's nonsense, at any location I've been at your break starts when you receive your food and drink and can sit down with them. If they can't make your drink in a timely fashion ask to make your own drink before you go on break.
istolehannah-1 points11m ago
Been a SSV for 15 years and this is one of the most toxic and ableist comments on this thread. I just want to point out that this person said multiple times they have accommodations. If the SM didn’t actually make sure to have them go through the prsc to get approved then that SM is an idiot and is leaving things wide open for a lawsuit or gnarly workers comp claim.
You say you have empathy for this person but then proceed to make a ton of assumptions about how thier disability actually manifests and presents on the day to day and how they deal with it. You then keep implying they probably don’t have the physical ability to work at Starbucks and that’s actually what’s causing them to flair up and have mobility issues. That’s definitely not how it works for every disability.
The worst thing you did though was turn this around on OP and tell them how their disability makes everyone else’s life harder. I don’t think you have any idea how hurtful and belittling this is. You basically say they aren’t good enough for the “team” because of something they can’t control.
If you want to be mad at someone be mad a corporate for running us on such a bare bones staff that we crumble if 1 person has to call out to take of them selves. This wasn’t always like this, I would know.
PS Oh, and happy disability pride month! Starbucks employees clearly learned a lot about it this year /s
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blante1023 [OP]7 points11m ago
I have it on file I layed out all of my issues and asked if they needed docs notes during the hiring process, also and had them ready during the interview they knew what was up when they hired me. To the point where the store manager and I both knew like we're are gonna test this and see if I can still keep up I haven't dropped the ball yet so I'm just baffled at this point on the shit I'm getting from the ssv
ConfusionDisastrous88 points11m ago
I understand what you're going through. I have an autoimmune disease that causes me extremee pain and general unwell feeling regularly. Unfortunately, at the store level, there's nothing they can do. You have to file with prsc an accommodation. That could be you have frequent call outs, extra rest breaks, etc. A team will discuss with your dm and sm and decide whether or not they can accommodate it, if not, you may not be able to continue to work. It's for your protection as well as starbucks. Good luck.
LaxHnl-5 points11m ago
They’re harassing you. Please contact a non-profit disability law firm for advice on how to receive your accommodations.
KiwiBeginning45 points11m ago
These replies reak of abelism & a huge lack of understanding
istolehannah0 points11m ago
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highspeed065 points11m ago
i feel like a lot of people are somewhat misdirecting their anger at you and not at management and starbucks as a company. while i agree that it is still your responsibility to cover shifts and provide notice of when you need to use time off, isn’t this something management knew about? isn’t this something in your employee file? if they are scheduling you more or asking you to do tasks that aggravate your chronic illness, how is that OP’s fault? the ADA states that employers must make reasonable accommodation for employees with documented disabilities. what id do is ask your shift or whoever is leading to put you somewhere lower stress to make you best accommodated when you think you might be having a flair up, but i’d also look for employment somewhere else that would be more accommodating (maybe somewhere you can work from home? if needed) because honestly it sounds like your management has just stopped caring as much for you. unfortunately, i think there’s little you can do about that
ChaiSox3 points11m ago
As a former SSV, we do not always know about accommodations. This is up to the SM to let us know (reasons are not required to be shared). If a partner said I have accommodations, I would allow it and then talk with SM. Trust but verify. BUT if you have them and SSV is not responding to them, call the helpline. Get SM and DM involved. This could be a lawsuit against store because they are against disability act.
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fuwaldah-2 points11m ago
You can request a world-place accommodation, but you will NOT be granted permission to not come in for scheduled shifts with no repercussions.
istolehannah4 points11m ago
Actually they just need to file an intermittent FMLA claim with proper paperwork from doctor every 6months and as long as they don’t miss more than 12 weeks of work in a rolling year, they can’t be fired for missing work due to the disability.
fuwaldah-1 points11m ago
That isn't strictly true.
istolehannah1 points11m ago
If you have the paperwork filled out and approved yes it is.
fuwaldah-1 points11m ago
No, it's not. You can't have paperwork that says "I get to miss work whenever I decided."
blante1023 [OP]3 points11m ago
That's not even remotely what I asked, as I've Already said I asked for the accomodations well before I I was rehired, and got none of what I was told would be "no problem at all" the literal opposite tho. Shit I didn't even complain about repercussions??
fuwaldah-1 points11m ago
So you want to be able to not show up for work? I'm confused.
KiwiBeginning43 points11m ago
That's part of having a disability. I'm disabled & i'm allowed to call out whenever I need to because of it
fuwaldah0 points11m ago
Not at Starbucks.
blante1023 [OP]2 points11m ago
That's also not at all what I said my point was to show some respect to others I've never downplayed any of there "headaches" but literally just use common sense would you rather someone come in who physically can't do anything just to send them home or just have them not be there in the way like tf how is this so hard to comprehend or understand and it's 1 shift like a literal 4 hour shift. I'm guessing you've never taken a sick day ever with that kind of attitude also? Like not one ever?
fuwaldah1 points11m ago
I have taken sick days. I encourage anybody who is sick to call out. But if you miss too many shifts, you will be put on a LOA. If you are put on too many LOAs, you will be separated.
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