what is the proper method for steaming milk for a cappuccino?(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by itsyaboimikey_
i’ve been a partner since last june and have gotten no complaints and many compliments from shifts, customers, and even the SM for i make my cappuccinos. however today my coworker comes to “coach” (correct me with attitude) in the middle of peak saying i’m doing it wrong and that she’d show me how to do it this weekend. the way i do it aerates the milk quite a lot, which i thought was necessary to create the amount of foam needed, but she said i aerated it way too much and that it was too loud (which i can’t really refute bc i’m hard of hearing). so, what is the proper way to steam milk for capps/how do you personally do it?
Jewicer98 points9m ago
I aerate TF out of my caps as much as I need to with no standard and the customers always appreciate it because my co workers literally never put enough foam ever
Indica-daddy7 points9m ago
SAME ✨
BruceQuint79 points9m ago
You do have to aerate the milk quite a bit. A cappuccino is espresso, some milk, and mostly foam. The way I found works best is to aerate the milk until it reaches 115 degrees Fahrenheit, and then leave the milk to complete steaming regularly after that. The cappuccino is usually in really good shape there.
itsyaboimikey_ [OP]23 points9m ago
thanks for the tip! i wasn’t trained very well on anything besides espresso beverages so i felt confident on those. i’ve been aerating all the way to 160° and then tapping the pitcher to get some of the big bubbles popped before i pour so it doesn’t deflate too much
BruceQuint6 points9m ago
No worries! I love training people on bar, especially with cappuccinos! Even though I’ve been here for a few years, I’m still learning, and relearning things all the time!
_coca_cola_cherry_3 points9m ago
You can also keep your hand on the pitcher and when it starts to feel warm stop aerating, put it back up, and let the steamer incorporate the added air so that the milk can get that nice "paint texture"
zoidberg300012 points9m ago
I personally feel that the seconds that the partners are trained on is too low. The results always have a fairly wet cappuccino. The way that I was hot and an actual craft coffee shop has me aerating for about 10 to 15 seconds. If it’s a dry cappuccino I pretty much aerate all the way through and let it steam for maybe 5 seconds.
bunnylo12 points9m ago
the standard is 5-8 seconds depending on how fast/slow you count
Jesslynnlove8 points9m ago
I aerate for around 8 seconds, once its heated i incorporate it if needed and side pour quickly into the cup.
clouds1838 points9m ago
are you still getting the 50% milk, 50% foam ratio? or just all foam? standard is to pour milk into steaming pitcher one line below actual size, aerate for 10 seconds (count slowly) and then let it auto steam the rest. it shouldn’t be too light or too heavy. pour the milk into one of the training cups to see how your milk to foam ratio is if you want.
itsyaboimikey_ [OP]6 points9m ago
if its ordered dry i’ll spoon out the foam onto the shots but when i pour it there’s still milk and foam
ubik-uitious3 points9m ago
try pouring out of the side of the pitcher instead of thru the spout! it makes it easier to pour a lot of foam vs having it trickle down after the milk :) you can switch it up mid-pour too, i.e. pour from the spout then the side for a wet cap and vice versa for a dry
itsyaboimikey_ [OP]3 points9m ago
i was trained to pour through the side for regular capps and i spoon it for dry ones because for some reason everyone who comes to my store wants it bone dry when they order dry
dnims247 points9m ago
Personally I feel like I never make cappuccinos correctly and could use more coaching on it. I think I’m out of practice in general with hot drinks
reyviivall2 points9m ago
try pouring out the side of the pitcher instead of the little spout thingy, i dunno why but it makes my caps wayyy better :))
Starbucks-sm1 points9m ago
The why is because the spout pours the liquid milk out with the foam, and pouring from the side allows just the foam to slide out over the milk. 👍🏼
bigfoots-rightnipple2 points9m ago
I’m a trainer, and the standard is 7-10 seconds of the tearing sound (aka aeration). Make sure you keep the wand steady and don’t bounce it, because this creates uneven foam. I hope this helped! I’m sorry that your coworker corrected you rudely… when ever I see partners doing things outside of standard I try really hard to correct as nicely as possible because I don’t want to make them feel bad… and I don’t want to seem like an asshole lmao
Firm-Ant76842 points9m ago
I was trained to aerate for around 8-10 seconds (i usually do 10 seconds fr) or until it reaches 97°F. I’m pretty sure traditionally it’s more than 97° though. I say if the customers are happy then honestly that’s what matters. Keep doing what works for you! Sometimes I accidentally aerate milk a bit too loud it happens to the best of us. Sorry you had to deal with this!
healthypenguins2 points9m ago
If your store has a training tumbler, it helps to try one in it and see where the foam and milk are actually separating. If you don't, a cold drink build cup or a shaker will work for practice. You would just use the trenta liquid line (before ice) as a guide for the top of the drink.
Standard cappuccinos should be close to half milk and half foam. If you pour milk to the line below your size (pour a tall milk for a grande, etc) and aerate to about 80 degrees (which is about the 8 second recommendation), you should get a perfect standard capp every time. I feel like a lot of people weren't trained to pour less milk than you would for a latte, and then also feel like they need to compensate by aerating more to fix the milk to foam ratio.
I follow this method and nearly every cappuccino I make comes out perfect. Pour a bit more milk for a wet capp, and just aerate as much as you can for a super dry one.
Starbucks-sm1 points9m ago
This.. 8 seconds or 80 degrees... is correct. It should sound like paper tearing the entire time, which means you will have to slowly move the pitcher down to keep the sound correct as the milk grows.
Better_Base88052 points9m ago
Ask your manager to order those training cups. They show on the cup the standard for the amount of foam in each drink
Hamchook1 points9m ago
Back when i was a partner, we’d put 1 pump of raspberry syrup in the cup to visually identify how much milk/foam there was
IndicationOk43522 points9m ago
Aerate til 100-115 range the more you make the more you’ll get a feel for them
FemboiTomboy1 points9m ago
https://youtu.be/oaKRBBpA4fw
here's an amazing video from an amazing coffee channel, which should answer all your questions. maybe this will even let you "well actually" your coworker too :)
htmldun1 points9m ago
Basically, you shouldn’t physically see the steam coming out of the milk, and it shouldn’t be spitting. When you aerate you should be pulling down as the milk rises staying tucked right under the surface and count your 6-8 seconds, or you can watch the temperature and just be sure to stop aeration before you go over 100°
-Botan1 points9m ago
Idk how you even aerate with that fat plastic steam wand… automatic bs
Chondodo1 points9m ago
I believe the standard is aerating for 8 seconds but I usually aerate until my mastrena 2 want hits 110-120 degrees F. Which I think is about 10 seconds on average.
psionicillusionist1 points9m ago
It shouldn't spit at you, the way I describe it is you "kiss" the milk. You should only do it for about like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 8-12 seconds? (I'm real rusty, but there's an official standard if you look it up) It depends on how frothy you want the milk to be. See if your store still has the "practice cup", which is a thick plastic cup that has measurements for each kind of hot drink and can handle boiling liquids.
beauloki1 points9m ago
I aerate until the lil thermometer hits 114, which is like 10 seconds of aeration time
mysterious_yams1 points9m ago
I'll usually aerate the milk until it hits 70ish degrees
jams10151 points9m ago
If they are a partner who just loves to, "Well ackshually," everyone, take it with a grain of salt, but I'd recommend listening to what they have to say, still. You can absolutely hear when milk is being improperly steamed and they might be noticing an issue with the sound of your steamed milk consistently. Regardless, it's good to be humble and have an open mind to others' suggestions, even if you've received compliments until now. I sometimes get complacent and need a reminder that I wouldn't want that shrieking pitcher of milk poured into \*my\* latte or whatever. It's not personal... it's just trying to make sure customers get the highest quality beverage they can from our team.
itsyaboimikey_ [OP]2 points9m ago
she loves to “well actually,” everyone but especially me. i think she has some problem with me but i’m not really sure why. she doesn’t know my name after 13 months working together and she constantly misgenders me on purpose
jams10151 points9m ago
Uh, that's a different issue. It sounds like she might need the coaching, not you. :-/ I'm sorry you're dealing with that. Misgendering you is so cruel and to not know your name after a year? Inexcusable. Does she live up her own ass or something?! Maybe time to talk to an SSV or manager you trust for help with that. And in the meantime, maybe ask an SSV, manager, or trainer whether your milk for capps needs any extra attention or whether you can keep on doing what you're doing. You're probably fine, but always better to ask and ease your mind. Then you can ignore her coaching you on bev quality going forward, because you will be assured your milk is fine. I hope this gets resolved and she backs off, you shouldn't have to deal with that.
itsyaboimikey_ [OP]1 points9m ago
i asked some other people, one being a shift (who said that my microfoam was usually better than hers) and they all corroborated basically. the partner in question is allegedly going into the army soon and i only work with her maximum two of my five shifts a week so it’s tolerable
jams10151 points9m ago
Ignore her, then. You're fine.
And even if it's tolerable, it still sucks. I'm sorry she's like that.
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mymelodywithaglock-2 points9m ago
Dry cappuccinos are espresso, like 1/3 milk, rest foam. Regular cappuccinos are 2/3 milk, rest foam. Wet is 3/4 milk, 1/3 foam.(still quite a bit a foam shouldn’t be just a latte) for dry i aerate 8 seconds max. anymore and it’s too bubbly for regular and wet 5-6 seconds. i will hold back the milk with a spoon for all these for the milk portion, just so there’s no bubbles in the milk. then i will scoop the rest. i don’t trust free pouring cuz if ur in a rush it can come out really wet or really dry and most of the time they just want it normal .
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