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Full History - 2022 - 09 - 30 - ID#xsfveb
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Should i call HR (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by poisonwritings
my store manager looks to be flirting with a barista they hired a few months ago.. Everyone in the store can tell they obviously flirt with one another and we recently noticed they share the same schedules for the next three weeks( same days off and same shifts). Our manager has a history of being unprofessional in the workplace and this is just their first year as a Manager…
dazedandconfusedhere 279 points 9m ago
If it’s making people uncomfortable or affecting the work environment, you can absolutely report it. If you’re just trying to get people in trouble or just speculating, I would stay out of it
PetMySquid 56 points 9m ago
Agreed, especially if your manager is on good terms with the DM. I’d hate to say it like this but I’ve literally been sexually assaulted before at my old job and my manager was friends with both our HR rep and our DM and I ended up getting fired after making an official report. So you can’t just have circumstantial evidence, and you can’t go into this being the only person willing to report it. If your manager says things like “you look amazing today” that’s not bad, but if they say things like “that ass looks great in those jeans” then you can report it. Better safe than sorry.
ezranilla 8 points 9m ago
I'm guessing it's too late now, but if anything like that happens again to you or one of your coworkers, please report that shit to the police or encourage the affected party (pr parties) to make a report. you probably have grounds for a wrongful termination lawsuit (I am not a lawyer tho so I don't fully know).
BaristaBabe13 6 points 9m ago
It is NEVER too late to report something like that to the police!! Depending on the state and degree of the assault, statute of limitations on sexual assault can be up to 7 years. However, even after the time limit, it should still be reported, so there is a record incase the individual is to do something like this again to you or someone else.
ezranilla 3 points 9m ago
u/PetMySquid in that case report the shit out of that person!!
Aurora1098 13 points 9m ago
I agree. If it’s affecting the workplace/making others very uncomfortable (such as the barista not actually doing work on her shift, being cut slack on things that others are being held to, or either of them doing/saying inappropriate things) then report it.

However, be prepared that HR may not do anything. Starbucks, unfortunately, has shown they don’t care about sexual harassment, assaults, etc.

To help strengthen your case BEFORE going to HR is document what you are seeing. What you may consider doing is keeping notes about what you observe during each shift. Anything inappropriate, especially. Remember to have dates and times on everything. Write down if anyone else witnessed.

I would also suggest encouraging coworkers that you are confident can keep this on the DL to do the same. This has to be kept quiet to avoid possible retaliation from your manager.
MentalHealthSucksAss 9 points 9m ago
This is the answer.
tippinfedora 2 points 9m ago
Besides being the top answer, I just wanted to let you know how refreshing it was to see someone finally use “affecting” properly. It’s been a long week of reading and fixing grammatically incorrect emails from my team and I had no outlet. Many thanks internet stranger!
jelizt 68 points 9m ago
If the person is of a reasonable age and consenting there’s no reason to get involved unless it’s effecting work.

Edit: 100% against the rules but like if they’re happy and like I said not effecting the work environment you shouldn’t try to get people in trouble.
poisonwritings [OP] 60 points 9m ago
there's a bit of an age gap and our manager was seen dating a 19 yr old before this started (they are 30 and their now ex would come into the cafe so we would see them frequently), I'm a bit concerned about the power dynamic the barista sometimes complains about them.. but continues to be seen flirting so it's hard to gauge if it's something consensual
jams1015 60 points 9m ago
Shocked to hear it's a pattern. Report the perv.
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MentalHealthSucksAss -15 points 9m ago
My parents are 10 years apart. Doesn’t automatically make the guy a “perv” just because you don’t approve.
jams1015 15 points 9m ago
This guy is a perv because he's openly flirting with people who are much younger than him, ***who he has a position of authority over***. The facts automatically make the guy a perv, has nothing to do with my approval.
peachiez_ 4 points 9m ago
my parents are also 10 years apart but they don’t have an inherent power difference in their relationship. there’s no problem with larger age gaps if you meet later on in life and/or if you’re not their *fucking subordinate.*

plus, 19 and 30 is weird no matter how you try to dice it. why are you going after someone that’s just a year into adulthood when you’re already an established adult? stop going after children.
Levinem717 6 points 9m ago
Sounds like if she’s annoyed with him but still flirts, it could be grooming.
super_taster_4000 -9 points 9m ago
absolutely. https://www.fightfor25.com
Levinem717 3 points 9m ago
Okay no. That’s absurd.
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Levinem717 5 points 9m ago
Yeh but if she’s voicing to other people that she’s uncomfortable then it would be. He’s like 30 no?
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Vegan_Sweetie -6 points 9m ago
That is still legal. You aren’t really allowed to make judgments based on other people’s desire to date with an age gap when both are consenting adults…. So…
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NOTcreative- -37 points 9m ago
It’s not against policy. I worked at a store where an older female manager dated a younger male partner under them. The only issue under ethics and compliance would be if the barista is getting preferential treatment.
NothingToSeeFolks 29 points 9m ago
Just because it happened in your store doesn’t mean it’s not against policy
Enkeria92 19 points 9m ago
Yes it is. It’s a conflict of interest. That’s literally the definition of it!
NOTcreative- -8 points 9m ago
Feel free to look it up in the standards and ethics handbook
Enkeria92 6 points 9m ago
I have it downloaded lol. “We all must avoid conflicts of interest. A conflict of interest exists when a personal interest or activity interferes or appears to interfere with the duties that you perform at, or owe to, Starbucks.” - page 12 of my version. Page 11 from the other.
Enkeria92 4 points 9m ago
“A conflict of interest may exist whenever a partner’s judgment is affected or can be called into question because of a close relationship.” - page 33 of the Partner Guide

Want to argue some more? Or are you done?
Number1Barooista 48 points 9m ago
If they're happy. Of age. And it's not affecting work just let them be. You could potentially make someone lose their source of income because they got a fling going on that's not hurting anyone.
Paverunner 13 points 9m ago
What if it’s against company policy for a manager to be dating a subordinate? IE fraternization?
SteveBB10 22 points 9m ago
Pick and choose battle territory
testingaurora 10 points 9m ago
Flirting doesn't equate to dating or fraternizing outside of work
ThrowawayTheOmlet 4 points 9m ago
Honestly I couldn’t give a shit. This isn’t a government job, we’re fast food workers lmao
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depressedbarista420 23 points 9m ago
I’d report it, that’s weird. It’s unethical for a store manager to be flirting with one of their employees.

idk what’s wrong with people calling you jealous. that’s just ridiculous
bookishwannabe 22 points 9m ago
… so I will 100% be the first to admit that age gaps when someone is a teenager (and ik the “but legally adult” crowd will come to tell on themselves) and the other person is literally 10+ years older is odd to me. And, in my experience, a relationship between a manager and a subordinate is never permitted bcos of an inherent power imbalance and it being a legal issue too (calling y’all’s attention to the Ned Fulmer of the Try Guys situation literally going on right now, where both are “consenting” adults and it’s still not permitted).

I would say just to watch out. Obviously, based on these comments, people will sooner come at you for not “minding your business” before they’ll turn their attention to the manager crossing boundaries. Within your wellness and safety, watch out for the barista seeming to be uncomfortable, unwilling, or anxious. But make sure you put yourself first when necessary. Worst comes to worst, you could maybe submit an anonymous concern.
bookishwannabe 9 points 9m ago
Adding to my own comment bcos it’s absolutely wild to me how many people are 1) calling you jealous, 2) acknowledging that it is against policy but still telling you to back off.

Y’all dating your managers? That’s all I’m getting from this. Some of you are playing defense like your life depends on it.
krym32zamoon 9 points 9m ago
Truly I think it's wild too that people are showing they know right and are telling them to choose wrong then trying to blame OP.
This is why we can't have nice things. People are shit.
Aurora1098 6 points 9m ago
Personally I posted a reply to OP because I have similar experiences and was naive as to how these situations fall out. It comes from experience of making reports and either nothing is done or retaliation occurs. I wish back then I had had someone tell me
the risks of making such reports. That HR may do nothing. That I may be blamed and labeled as a troublemaker and snitch by others. That there are ways that others may retaliate that get around company policy.
bookishwannabe 4 points 9m ago
That would be valid if that’s what everyone was saying in these comments. Most comments are “mind your business,” “you’re jealous,” “you’re single,” “you’re a tattletale.”

The wrong people wind up in positions of power all the time, and abuse that power, and sometimes it seems like nothing can be done. But that doesn’t mean that OP is doing something wrong by worrying about their coworker.
krym32zamoon 17 points 9m ago
I love that no one cares about things here in the comments lol That's creepy that a 30 y/o was dating a 19 y/o and is now flirting with a new younger partner. Just cause it can be consensual doesn't make it right. It also clearly makes you uncomfortable. I'd say something since this can easily turn into bias/favoritism and again, makes people feel uncomfortable in the work environment.
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Complex_Imagination9 11 points 9m ago
As a self retired ASM that lived by “perception is reality and don’t shit where you eat” I would take it to higher power. Any semblance of favoritism deteriorates the already low morale, and discourages partners from coming forward with their concerns regarding said partner, so yes take your concerns to your DM
No_Tip4841 8 points 9m ago
Does the barista seem uncomfortable? Have you asked her? If not just mind your business especially if it’s not affecting YOU.
jams1015 29 points 9m ago
Hey, that's not how hostile work environments go. Other people can be impacted by the behavior of people around them. It's gross for someone in a position of power to then date someone who reports to them. Additionally, it's not fair to the rest of the staff. There's a reason for these rules and policies. Report.
testingaurora 1 points 9m ago
OP said flirting not dating though
Kaywin 7 points 9m ago
If you do report it, HR is not supposed to be able to let the manager know who reported it. Nor is your SM allowed to retaliate against you (whether by reducing your hours or other means.) Your instincts I think are right in this scenario. What happens when an initially-fine relationship sours? What if she appears to be flirting back as a defense response because she's afraid to say no, whether from difference of age, rank, or just having been taught that saying no is rude? There're too many confounding factors, even in the scenario that this is a healthy relationship (just one of many alternatives; there are many unknowns here) and in general the people who are trained to deal with this (ie, HR) should be the ones doing so.
Gameb0i6 6 points 9m ago
I would do it. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve called HR on a manager.
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clouds183 6 points 9m ago
theres zero way it can be consensual when theres such a big power dynamic. if she were to refuse him then what.
PaidMoreThanJanitor 3 points 9m ago
OP said there's an age gap too. It's double grooming at this point
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OnlyPotRoast 4 points 9m ago
Just a reminder that HR is for the company’s protection and not yours, so be sure to have evidence and how it’s affecting things. It could backfire.
tadomegu 3 points 9m ago
First off, if you’re not fully sure that there is something going on, you shouldn’t speculate until there’s proof.

Secondly to the commenters, it’s a conflict of interest whether or not it’s affecting the environment. How do you know if the manager is giving more hours to that person of interest, or letting more call-outs slide? If the person you’re dating controls your schedule, hourly punches, and employment/positional status, it’s unethical for all people involved in the business. Really, that manager sounds unprofessional and should find a solution for this to protect themselves and their job. I know fresh, young managers who have gotten fired within months of promotion for pursuing relationships with their employees. Even if OP doesn’t report them, the likelihood another partner will is pretty high. Too many witnesses, instant repercussions. It’s very risky.

Everyone here is saying that power-imbalanced relationships aren’t a big deal in the workplace should know that there are workarounds to dating someone positionally under you. Finding a store to transfer the barista to would be the easiest solution.
verdeuce 3 points 9m ago
After I read the title and before I read the body I immediately said yes. If you think you need to call, call.
omsphoenix 3 points 9m ago
The only issue I see is the scheduling. It's not fair to everyone else. If it continues I'd report it .
FlowerCurious581 3 points 9m ago
Call ethics
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Do it!
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testingaurora -9 points 9m ago
As long as the barista isn’t uncomfortable with the flirting ie it’s mutual, and the SM isn’t consistently offering this barista preferential treatment I wouldn’t get involved. Harmless flirting if that’s all it is isn’t hurting anyone
poisonwritings [OP] 12 points 9m ago
isnt that against the policy?
Ceramicusedbook 29 points 9m ago
Don't get involved unless you need to, and it sounds like you don't need to.
lewabwee 1 points 9m ago
It’s against policy but these policies only exist so people who are doing something actively wrong can be reprimanded. I can’t really tell what’s happening based on the info you’ve given, and it sounds like you totally can’t either, which is fair, but the policy shouldn’t be enforced for the sake of enforcing the policy.
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