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Full History - 2022 - 10 - 01 - ID#xt2pan
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Older coworker keeps misgendering me (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by Augustlaraine
Hi, I’m a new hire at Starbucks. I’ve been working there since the start of the year. I’m an opener/midshift and so is an older partner. She’s been working there for several years but won’t/can’t make drinks so she stays at window or front. I’m a non-binary masc person, I use they/he pronouns. All of the partners at the store do great at respecting my identity and pronouns, it’s important to note that we live in the south. I open with this particular partner at least once a week, every time I dread it. For months she’s been using the wrong pronouns when referring to me/ calls me ma’am. At first, if i could I would correct her but she interrupts me. I’m not a confrontational person so I get stuck in this spot. Ive been told that my GM has talked to her a few times about it. Recently, I’ve been talking to my shift leads about it because it ruins my day. The shifts went to the GM and she talked to her again and then had a small discussion with me. She just explained the same thing she’s been telling me which is “she’s not doing it maliciously she just doesn’t understand”. My GM basically has done nothing to help me in the slightest. Now since that event happened she’s telling on me to my shifts about stupid shit. She told my shifts that I shouldn’t be calling customers the “pet names” (for lack of a better term) that I do such as honey,sweetheart,friend, etc. Again, we’re from the south, it’s so common to call people names like this casually. I’ve been doing it my whole life and I honestly feel like it’s one of my most personable customer service quirks that makes customers enjoy coming through my drive through, meanwhile she’s typically very monotone with customers. Then, the other day she came up behind me to tell me that my hair was sticking out of the back of my hat. Now I shaved my head over the summer so i literally have one inch of hair. I shrugged and told her “it’s no big deal”. She said “ so you don’t care??” Guess I don’t? Now I do believe that she is trying to get me in trouble because she keeps getting corrected. This has been so upsetting and is worsening my gender dysphoria. I’m contacting my DM next week.

What do y’all think my next step should be?

Also side note: she’s gay and was married to a woman For several years before she passed. I don’t feel like that should necessarily mean anything but it’s interesting for her to be apart of the community yet so hateful.
astrenixie 79 points 9m ago
Ethics and Compliance. Respecting pronouns is part of Starbucks anti-harassment policies, and repeatedly misgendering someone is a violation. It would be different if she only messed up a few times, but she has done it enough times to be on purpose. Someone at my current store got fired for repeatedly misgendering partners.
meowdrian 36 points 9m ago
Hey OP, ASM here, whether or not the intent is malicious it goes against starbucks policies around anti-harassment to continuously misgender another partner.

Your SM should not be making excuses for her after so many conversations about it.

I would go ahead and open a case with Ethics & Compliance and then go to the DM. This needs to be dealt with especially since it sounds like you’re now also experiencing retaliation from that partner - also a big no-no.

Sorry you’re going through this OP.
Augustlaraine [OP] 4 points 9m ago
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it :)
saudade_sleep_repeat 28 points 9m ago
oh she knows exactly what she’s doing.


i’d call her “sir” and then when she flips out, casually and calmly say, “now you see…that’s *exactly* how i feel every time you call me ma’am—so…you don’t care?”


sometimes all it takes is one cool, level headed confrontation such as this to teach someone else a much needed lesson.
gabby24681 11 points 9m ago
But don’t get yourself in trouble for what they’re doing lol
ellensaige 27 points 9m ago
I am in a very similar situation. Older woman who preaches about being liberal yet "doesn't understand" how to use my pronouns. She constantly misgenders me and calls me ma'am. she's had multiple talks with people about needing to respect people's pronouns but nothing has changed. A few weeks ago she pulled me aside to try and clear the air I guess but basically she said that it's not that she doesn't respect me or doesn't want to use them, it's that she "can't use them because it doesn't make sense grammatically" then she hugged me without my consent. it was so fucking uncomfortable.

I've talked to my manager but nothing has happened. As much as Starbucks says they're liberal, I feel like this shit happens too often.
Augustlaraine [OP] 18 points 9m ago
I’m so sorry that you deal with that. This coworker is also bad about touching people without their consent. She’ll hold your hips when she needs to get by and touching their backs. It’s so uncomfortable
ellensaige 6 points 9m ago
that's so awful!! I think ethics and compliance sounds like the right thing to do for both of us. I'm going to grab the number tomorrow I think. ugh it makes me so anxious to call and report it but it's so important that we are safe in our workplace.
ElijahLordoftheWoods 3 points 9m ago
She should NOT be touching people like that. That’s was saying ‘behind’ or ‘beside’ is for. She definitely needs coaching on that!
Dazzling_Pop_7073 3 points 9m ago
Touches like that are not appropriate at work!! I'm so sorry you at experiencing this
ElijahLordoftheWoods 1 points 9m ago
Call PCC and tell them what’s happening, they actually take this stuff seriously
Veloci-Tractor 19 points 9m ago
sounds like a TERF tbh, "i don't understand" is the handy excuse of the cowardly bigot.
Dazzling_Pop_7073 12 points 9m ago
She's being hateful and Starbucks will do something about this if you go to someone above your GM and mention that your GM hasn't taken enough measures. Starbucks would shit themselves if this ended up on social media and care too much about inclusivity
Ok-Mycologist9011 9 points 9m ago
Ethics and compliance!!! We just fired a shift who was transphobic, homophobic and racist today bc we contacted ethics and compliance and they told our SM “fire her” definitely file a claim with them
embrell 8 points 9m ago
call ethics and compliance, shes not ignorant, shes transphobic. its none of her fucking buisness to decide your pronouns for you, and if you can also get proof that you GM/SM/SSVs have brushed you off as welll, thatd be cool. she sounds like a nightmare, im sorry
krym32zamoon 8 points 9m ago
DM is a good step and if that doesn't work then yea, Ethics and Compliance is next cause I'm also non-binary and I 1000% understand how being misgendered can just ruin your shift, the day, and make that dysphoria even worse.
CITCourtney 2 points 9m ago
Out of curiosity, I no longer work at Starbucks, but when I did I had a non-binary coworker who I absolutely did my best to use their correct pronouns, but on occasion, when on a thought process would slip up but immediately correct myself. I always worried this might upset them but I always did my best to immediately correct the mistake. Obviously everyone is different but I just wanted to genuinely ask if it’s as day-ruining if they make a point to correct it as soon as possible. I’ve really worried I might’ve accidentally made them feel bad over an honest mistake.
thefoolwitch 5 points 9m ago
From another trans person (trans guy) I’ll reiterate that it’s rough regardless, BUT correcting yourself is super helpful. It helps show that you care about getting it right, and when someone doesn’t correct themselves it feels like two gut-punches in a row, like you have to sit there wondering if that person misgenders you when you aren’t around because they did it without a single thought just now, etc.

Also, you might already know this, but in case not, I always make a point to tell people that I really appreciate if they just correct themselves and move on. A quick sorry is okay, but when people prostrate themselves in front of me about misgendering me it’s just awkward and makes the moment WAY more memorable, so I have to think about the misgendering way more than I would have. And that’s not even mentioning how frustrating it is to have to comfort someone else for the fact that they misgendered me. So if you didn’t already know, that might be a helpful tip too!
CITCourtney 3 points 9m ago
I’m glad to hear I’ve done what I can to remedy the blow even if the original mistake is something I wish didn’t happen in the first place. The last thing I want to do is make them feel worse.

But thankfully I already picked up on the second part. The time when it happened I just quickly paused my sentence, corrected myself with a light sorry as I was not talking directly to them but knew they were listening, and carried on with my sentence afterwards.

I figured that was the best course of action, and I feel a little better knowing it likely was, even if again I wish I hadn’t slipped up in the first place to be in that position.
fuckingveganshark 1 points 9m ago
misgendering hurts regardless of if it’s purposeful or not but correcting yourself and making an effort to be more consistent with the correct pronouns does make a difference and shows that you actually care, which is more than what a lot of trans people usually experience in the first place
PoppyPancakes 6 points 9m ago
Call ethics and complaisance. My store had a problem with a SSV doing this. As soon as I personally witnessed it, I called. She used to try the “it’s just hard for people like me” bullshit but as far as I know she’s gotten better since I called.

There’s no excuse. There’s no need for her to speculate about your genitals. If you have told her once what your identity is, that’s more than enough times. She knows where she works, she knows our values, she knows how to use your correct pronouns.

ETA: I do want to say that when I called EC the person I talked to (3rd party) asked what pronouns were being used and then proceeded to refer to my trans partner using only their wrong pronouns, so I had to correct and then yell at the dumb fucker too and that was pretty triggering
rudebii 4 points 9m ago
There’s nothing to understand. In fact, she doesn’t have to “understand” anything. You, like she, have a preference in how you’re addressed.

“Southern hospitality” and the congeniality that the South is known for would include addressing people by their preferred pronouns.
Beg1nAga1n 2 points 9m ago
Small thing, but saying they have a preference for pronouns is kind of a negative thing. They don’t have a preference, those *are* their pronouns :)
rudebii 1 points 9m ago
That’s fair.

My point was more about being a decent person and address folks as they wish to be addressed. It’s the polite thing to do, regardless of one’s personal beliefs or religious hang ups.
Beg1nAga1n 2 points 9m ago
Wasn’t disagreeing! Just wanted to mention that verbiage :)
SNES182 3 points 9m ago
Report. Report. Report. All of you who have stories.
jennyparks07 2 points 9m ago
It sounds like she is retaliating. Which is NOT okay. I would follow the ASM’s advice (@meowdrian) and contact ethics and compliance.
vodwalyn 2 points 9m ago
Her defense is she doesn’t understand?? It’s not about understanding it’s about respect. She’s not respecting you and that’s the absolute worst
PackedRobin 1 points 9m ago
The coaching I have given to my older shifts who say things like "I don't understand" when it comes to pronouns and misgendering is simple- You don't have to understand. That's not necessary. It IS necessary that you respect the partners wishes and call them what they need to be called. As simply as someone uses a nickname like Billy for William or Shelly for Michele, you don't need to understand why they do that. But then they ask you to do it, you do. I recommend this approach, it's worked very well for me.

I would also say for your SM, any time this partner misgenders you when they aren't around, make a note and send it to them. "Hey SM, this morning at 8am SSV Sally misgendered me for the third time, calling me Ma'am. I have asked her to stop again per our discussion. Baristas Peter and Molly were working on the floor and also heard this conversation" It makes the behavior easier for your SM to document. Sometimes it's not that they aren't willing, but that we need specific written statements to support the document. Also keep in mind that your SM can share that they spoke to the SSV but out of privacy policy cannot share what disciplinary steps have been taken.

Absolutely, if behavior has not changed and your SM is not responding in your defense in this matter, go to your DM or Ethics and compliance.
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