What kind of push back? Like ignoring you? Straight up telling you no? Or just getting annoyed with you?
giftedburn0ut72 points8m ago
in some cases straight up ignoring the coaching even if I repeat myself, in some cases responding with extreme (I don't wanna say attitude but) rudeness (ig?) or saying "okay" and then immediately disregarding it. it's only a few baristas and when I work with them I feel entirely out of control of my shift, it's real stressful 😅
whatcakepopsdouhave82 points8m ago
Ah :/ Well when you're actively coaching and people aren't responding or are being rude, that becomes a manager problem. You of course and take them aside and ask what's up, maybe they feel like you're being rude about it? I'd recommend doing that before asking the manager to step in, it's just a little more respectful, but if nothing you do helps then ask the manager to talk to them
giftedburn0ut18 points8m ago
okay, thank you :)
firepaper3 points8m ago
I always go about it nice at first, and I’ll just kinda be a little goofy and call them silly or whatever but I always make sure to sort of give them a choice. Like oh would you rather be on DTO or Bar? Would you rather clean the fridges inside and out or do the mats? If they do not listen at all that’s when you tell your manager
throwaway120934098757 points8m ago
Use your tools from your training. What/what/why helps *a lot*. Honestly, a lot of the times when people push back against coaching it has to do with the approach of the person doing the coaching. It might be helpful to evaluate your approach. Are you using the “what/what/why”? If not, your coaching may be coming across as nit-picky or unclear. If people aren’t understanding the reason behind your coaching or where you are coming from, it can seem to them like you’re being overbearing or overly critical for no reason. Over-explain yourself! Make sure you’re coming from a place of genuinely wanting to see improvement rather than criticizing, and that they are aware of that. Good coaching takes trust and solid communication.
paintthatface48 points8m ago
It’s really difficult coaching people that were literally your peers very recently, it won’t be forever but this is why it’s best to promote and transfer to a different store. The best way I would approach it is say something like “hey ‘manager’ is really focusing on drink quality right now, so can you make sure you’re shaking your teas?” It essentially takes the blame off of you. Don’t do this forever, but it helps with the push back.
giftedburn0ut5 points8m ago
okay thank you <3
PoppyPancakes37 points8m ago
I had a pushback issue when I first got promoted. Another SSV suggested delegating in the form of asking for help. “Hey, when you don’t have any drinks can you do me a favor and make sure the ice bins are filled” instead of “can you fill the ice bins”
It’s kind of silly but if people are having a hard time respecting you they are more likely going to listen to you asking for help than telling them what to do
b99__throwaway5 points8m ago
this is a good way of framing it but i would rephrase a little to “can you help fill the ice bins” instead of “can you do me a favor and fill the ice bins”. asking someone to do something for you that is actually for the team can come across not as intended sometimes
giftedburn0ut4 points8m ago
okay, I'll try that, thanks!
ashley092710 points8m ago
You definitely need to let your SM know. Your trying to correct them to do things to standard and they don’t want to listen. I’ve worked with many partners like this who just want to do the bare minimum and leave. At this point it’s out of your control they are in the mindset of standards don’t matter and you need to get your SM involved.
verdeuce13 points8m ago
SM here, yes ask your sm for support. Before I even promoted the ssv I’m currently training I let her know that coaching and delegating tasks to her peers was going to be the hardest transition. You have to re-earn everyone’s respect now that you have a new role. Don’t take the approach “sm is really focusing on drink quality, so shake your teas” give them the REAL WHY behind the standards. If you ask them to do things because the sm says so then they will only ever do things out of compliance. That’s not what you want because as soon as you or the sm isn’t there, they will not follow standards again, you need them to be bought in to you. The advice I give is to have open communication about what you’re doing and the plan. The team will not want to clean everything if they don’t see you cleaning, they won’t follow routines if you aren’t following them. Find some way to earn their respect again as their leader, not their friend
giftedburn0ut3 points8m ago
this is super helpful, thank you so much!
stealthyninja009 points8m ago
What I’ve noticed is the things that I coach on and get push back it’s because other shifts don’t coach on it. So maybe try bringing it up with other shifts that you have coached the baristas on whatever and ask for support on it. As well as bring it up to your SM. Also what helps me is to be direct. As sugar coating it can be misleading. So I just straight up tell them your making that wrong by letting your shots die or you’re out of dress code because of the shoes you’re wearing. As well as my store has a shift group chat where we send messages being like “I coached barista A on their dress code make sure to call them out on it if they do it again.” That way there is a paper trail for things if it becomes a problem.
giftedburn0ut2 points8m ago
this is super helpful, thank u!
wok3less7 points8m ago
explain why, pick your battles, its okay if every single standard isnt always held. also give the illusion of choice “do you wanna do this or this” and then theres almost always someone willing to do the unwanted thing, if not then take it upon yourself. ask for their feedback and theyll be more open to yours. make sure you give positive feedback when they DO the thing and do it well as the criticism or coaching. ask for their help or opinion on things. overall when people feel respected they are more likely to respect u!! if its really bad with certain baristas have a private sit down meeting or text after work and straight up ask if they have reasoning or an issue with you specifically
giftedburn0ut2 points8m ago
thank you, I appreciate it :)
Danny_z646 points8m ago
Record everything in the dcr or my daily so you can go back to it from your sm
Popular-Ad-29544 points8m ago
I think the issue is that coaching can seem very micromanage-y if done wrong. I’m great at customer connections, but had my SSV ask me today why the drivethru window was closed and say that we need to make customer connections. I had closed the window, after chatting with the girl before realizing she was on the phone. It’s rude to force our customers to make small talk with us. I’m pretty good at reading people to know whether or not they want to chitchat. It’s offensive when mngmnt doesn’t trust your judgement.
Midieval4 points8m ago
Pull them aside one on one. A small group of people with a rebellious streak are gonna act braver around those that agree with them. Their attitude could change with a more direct approach. Use calm language but also don’t be a pushover.
Also I’d keep the SM in the loop about the problem if you haven’t already; could protect you from future complaints they might receive.
giftedburn0ut2 points8m ago
thank you :)
hollsberry3 points8m ago
When I was promoted, I was given the advice to delegate tasks, follow up, then ask what they support need to complete the task if any issues arises. Sometimes explaining why we have to do our job tasks and that we need to to them to stay in good standing and go home helps. For example, I had a hard time coaching my partners to clean up trash and put everything away in the fridges. Then, we kept getting out late because it took 15 minutes after everything else to put everything away. I explained that it wasn’t personal, but we need to get out on time to have a work life balance and that we needed to keep the store clean and put everything away so we can go home when it’s time.
It takes a while to make changes and coach effectively, too. I was pretty young when I was promoted, and it took a long time for baristas to listen. Change is gradual, and setting small goals and making a plan of what you want to coach each week to reach your goals helps to avoid being overwhelmed.
If you ever have questions or anything specific that you need help with you can PM me!
giftedburn0ut2 points8m ago
yeah, Im a young shift (18 and promoted a couple months ago) and I think that may be a factor with some of these partners, but not all
she_who_walks3 points8m ago
Depends on how comfortable you are with standing up for yourself… if they straight up ignore what you say, id connect with them, use the What What Why, and then say “hey if you aren’t able to do what I’m asking, let me know so I can move you to a different position”. If someone really wants to give you grief, offer to send them home. Id rather be down a man than have to fight to get people to do their job. If you’re uncomfortable with confrontation, you may need to connect with your manager about how to better handle the situation. Unfortunately… confrontation is part of the SSV role
giftedburn0ut3 points8m ago
thank you. I think I may need to set some boundaries more explicitly
she_who_walks3 points8m ago
Coaching is my least favorite thing as a shift. I want everyone to be able to have fun and enjoy being at work but every now and then, someone is difficult and wants to push back… for me, I just make sure my team knows I actually care what they do and don’t like doing, and I make a point to share the tasks accordingly. If you hate doing x, I’m not gonna ask you to do that every day, especially if I know someone else doesn’t mind doing it!! But if you’re gonna throw a fit about everything, that hinders me and it hinders the entire team and that’s not ok. It’s so hard to lay down those boundaries some days (I’m not a confrontational person) but if you can’t get it together and do your job, I WILL do MY job and correct what’s happening. I tell my people before, “We’re all adults here. Please don’t make me treat you like children.”
giftedburn0ut3 points8m ago
I really appreciate the advice, everyone here has been so helpful<3 I will be applying this stuff going forward and talking to my SM like others have suggested for advice at the very least.
Grantiekins3 points8m ago
If they are unreceptive of coaching I tend to be very direct and let them know I will escalate and have them have a conversation with our SM
_thatdepressedchild_3 points8m ago
Literally got promoted when I got back from Summer break (on August). I feel you. I am the type of shift that asks kindly for people to do things. Like, “Can I have you please restock pastries, and if can restock cups and lids? Thank you” or “Can someone please help me put away the alt. milks? Thank you” Even though I’m a shift, I see everyone else as equals. I kindly ask them to do things because it’s mutual respect in my perspective. The funny thing is that even though I’m promoted, I still feel like a barista. I literally make sure everyone is good or if needed to switch positions to take a break from them. :)
While looking through your comments, in regards to baristas not listening no matter how you say or multiple times you said it, it has to go to the SM. Hope this helps :) You got it!!!
giftedburn0ut3 points8m ago
thank you, I appreciate it. I think one of my issues is drawing the line between peer and leader with some people because I was so recently promoted
AdIll79462 points8m ago
Make sure to learn your baristas. You need to tailor the coaching to the individual. Everyone responds to things differently, and trying different approaches until you find the right one is part of your development. If you are close with any baristas or other shifts, ask them their opinions of your coaching, it’ll help to get outside insight. Also go to your manager, but not to “tell on” the baristas for not listening, but to ask how to develop your approach.
thriftysentinal1 points8m ago
Another cool thing that we SSVs just implemented in our store is a coaching book stored in the safe so it’s just for us and it’s a book to see who and what has been coached that way if there is a constant pattern we can address it and also take any further action
slimjimluvr1 points8m ago
Had a similar experience as I was becoming a SSV. I like to play around and joke with my fellow coworkers. I always have, I don’t like to mope and be miserable at work. After my promotion, partners that I was friends with no longer respected me and that was quickly apparent. I faced a lot of pushback as you are now. You have to earn their respect as they earn yours. Don’t be afraid to put your foot down if they are not listening to you, or being rude. Show them you mean business and that you can get shit done! That’s a common thing all baristas can respect. A good, kind SSV that can be serious when needed, but also respects their partners and can take their feelings into account.
giftedburn0ut1 points8m ago
thank you
Maddyc07091 points8m ago
If your manager is okay with it, send them home. I give them 2 chances to do what I asked of them. If they disregard after that, they can go home!
giftedburn0ut1 points8m ago
i straight up don't have the staffing to do that, although I appreciate the advice
Lightheaded_gamer1 points8m ago
Are these the same partners you worked with before becoming SSV ?
giftedburn0ut1 points8m ago
yes. only for a few months because it's a new ish store but yes, we were peers before I was promoted
Lightheaded_gamer1 points8m ago
Then a possible reason could be that they are not used it and maybe for some it could be like in their head “ you never said anything before you were SSV” while you are currently coaching them.
Ask anyway and if that is the case then just let them know that you need them to be corporative with you because even tho you got promoted, you are still the same people working together and helping one another. Just this time you are now in the position that you are required to coach baristas from bad habits; it’s part of your job description.
Sufficient-Level-4081 points8m ago
Talk to your team. You're not alone.
Shoddy-Trainer-8051-2 points8m ago
Depends, why are you coaching them? Because we had a new ssv who thought that just bc she was in charge she could train everyone to do everything the exact same as her and it was a lot and she’s been demoted. Ppl don’t want to be corrected all the time so it matters to know how you’re handling it and just how much you’re doing it. You could be overwhelming them
giftedburn0ut10 points8m ago
I think asking my baristas to shake refreshers and properly charge for milks is perfectly reasonable tbh, and I try to go about it in a very polite way
Shoddy-Trainer-8051-1 points8m ago
Again though, how exactly are you wording it, how often do you correct them, when… all of that can come into play. You should talk to your manager about it but you should also always evaluate the way you approach things and it’s also like, how much do you care? It’s just some Starbucks. Some don’t give a shit and if you keep correcting them their lack of care will only get worse
giftedburn0ut2 points8m ago
I understand what you're saying, but as a closer it literally affects when I get out of nobody wants to work so 😅 and I've tried several different approaches that have been suggested to me in wording and demeanor as well as time/place and nothing seems to work. I am reevaluating myself as a supervisor all the time though and I do genuinely care about my baristas
siestasierra4 points8m ago
Anyone can and should be coaching everyone, and if people are responding negatively to coaching then they need to adjust their attitude and expectations at this job, because being coached is a part of it.
Shoddy-Trainer-80511 points8m ago
Yes I’ve made posts about that bc I have a partner currently constantly shitting on me when I coach him but I did a lot of self evaluation too and have become much better at coaching
Chromosomes23-2 points8m ago
Depends if your coaching a behavior or a habit?
giftedburn0ut8 points8m ago
I think both? it's typically things like ringing in drinks correctly (charging for milks, custom iced teas and such), or shaking refreshers or staying on task
wok3less6 points8m ago
shaking refreshers is my hill to die on, ive made baristas taste shaken vs unshaken and handed back unshaken bevs. as for charging, you can be like “i know its silly but-“ make them feel like you also know theres flaws in the system but its your job to enforce them
VictorianLibra225 points8m ago
You're right about that, it makes a big difference in drink quality. That was part of our craft training recently too...we did a taste test with a shaked vs unshaken tea/refresher etc
giftedburn0ut2 points8m ago
I've done all of that, it seems like they just don't care 😭
Ok-Interaction22516 points8m ago
That sounds a bit like what happens at my store. Having no experience with you or your stores environment I say that some of the pushback could be that your barista’s don’t like the idea of being held accountable to do a job. I don’t say that to insinuate that they are not doing their job, but I my store which is almost entirely college students they get upset when you try and make some work.
giftedburn0ut1 points8m ago
okay, thank you :)
Ok-Interaction22513 points8m ago
I realized I didn’t finish my thought. I said everything up there to tell you that sometimes people will just be kind of pissy with you regardless of how good of a shift lead you are. I encourage you to keep on the track you were on and follow the advice the other people in this thread have given you. Talk to your barista‘s and see if they are just having a bad day or if it’s something they are receiving from you is it being taken the right way. If it turns out that it’s not these sorts of things then I would Bring your store manager into these conversations, and never forget that your boss is there to empower you and give you the tools you need to do your job better and there’s nothing wrong with just having a conversation with them about it to see how they can help direct you in a better way. Keep up the great work
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