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My manager went on a rant about Unionizing stores. Let’s educate a little. (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by vivnaomi
The whole time she’s making it seem like they’re crazy. “They’re asking for 40/hr 😳😳 and you have to pay UNION DUES 😱😱😱😵… and you can’t talk to your manager about anything. Absolutely NOTHING. That connection that you and I hav is GONE 🫢You have to talk only to Union reps and then they speak to me…” Just fear mongering.
If you don’t know anything about Unions, it sounds impossible and insane, but all I did was look up “how much are union dues?” And it’s just 1-2% of your pay check. Crazy I know!
Ex.
pay 40/hr
clock in 40 hours for 2 wks
gross pay $1600
1% = $16 2% = $32
After Taxes (TX) Net pay ≈$1353
And if you look closely, within the first hour of work, you’ve paid your union dues for those 2wks🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳Not even the full hour as a barista.
Also Union reps are elected union representatives. They are elected by the union. They represent the union. YOU are part of the union. THEY REPRESENT YOU. They’re like “lawyers” for the union for YOU!
(idk if y’all can tell, but that was really hard to listen to)
Edit: salaried individuals (manager, asst. mng) can’t be apart of the union because they are part of the companies bargaining power, not the employees. Whomp whomp get wrecked
If you don’t know anything about Unions, it sounds impossible and insane, but all I did was look up “how much are union dues?” And it’s just 1-2% of your pay check. Crazy I know!
Ex.
pay 40/hr
clock in 40 hours for 2 wks
gross pay $1600
1% = $16 2% = $32
After Taxes (TX) Net pay ≈$1353
And if you look closely, within the first hour of work, you’ve paid your union dues for those 2wks🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳Not even the full hour as a barista.
Also Union reps are elected union representatives. They are elected by the union. They represent the union. YOU are part of the union. THEY REPRESENT YOU. They’re like “lawyers” for the union for YOU!
(idk if y’all can tell, but that was really hard to listen to)
Edit: salaried individuals (manager, asst. mng) can’t be apart of the union because they are part of the companies bargaining power, not the employees. Whomp whomp get wrecked
RyusuiJL 119 points 8m ago
Just an FYI: I'm not sure how the unionization has been handled in the Starbucks stores, but typically salaried employees or managers/supervisors in general are NOT union covered.
imathrowayslc 23 points 8m ago
Supervisors would not be considered management. They are not salaried.
Assistant managers are a grey area as they are salaried but not time clock exempt which is weird place to be.
Assistant managers are a grey area as they are salaried but not time clock exempt which is weird place to be.
upscaleelegance 12 points 8m ago
Based
uwumoment 2 points 8m ago
🤭🤭🤭
CamdenF 83 points 8m ago
Heads up, no barista is making $40/hour.
Jesslynnlove 53 points 8m ago
i could see it in some unionized locations. I'm @ 25/hr in a non-unionized store in California.
Unionized cashiers at Costco make over 40/hr so it's definitely possible. You underestimate the amount of revenue these corporations make.
Unionized cashiers at Costco make over 40/hr so it's definitely possible. You underestimate the amount of revenue these corporations make.
ArchangelCaesar 5 points 8m ago
These are two completely different companies, two completely different industries. The profit margins are completely different. So many underlying numbers underneath the profit margins are completely different (specifically profit margin of each location). Starbucks baristas to Costco checkout clerks is a terrible comparison.
It’s entirely possible $40 an hour would push a store into unprofitable territory, and thus give Sbux the reason it needs to shut down a unionized store. Not saying that $40 isn’t possible, but your comparison is way off base.
It’s entirely possible $40 an hour would push a store into unprofitable territory, and thus give Sbux the reason it needs to shut down a unionized store. Not saying that $40 isn’t possible, but your comparison is way off base.
Source4Color 40 points 8m ago
ah yes, the famously wide profit margins of bulk supermarkets
Abaracadavera 11 points 8m ago
This* The Celestial Stag makes WAY more money than Costco, a big part of that is keeping wages down.
Jeff0093 1 points 8m ago
Agreed profit way higher on beans and sugar
mondrianna 14 points 8m ago
You do know that Starbucks makes billions off of gift card sales during the holidays right??? RIGHT??? And then after making all those sales, after the holidays are over they cut OUR LABOR as if they don’t have the money to pay us to fucking sell drinks from them. Post holiday season is my least favorite time of year to work for SBUX, and it’s primarily because I’ll be disappointing customers due to lean staffing bullshit.
majik_rose 6 points 8m ago
Imagine thinking a multi-billion dollar company would ever be in danger of not being able to pay its employees fair wages 🤦🏽♀️. We slave away while the big guys at top get insanely rich off of our work. Would fair wages put a ceo in danger of not being able to take a month long vacation to the Bahamas? Probably. Would it mean a giant corporation like Starbucks would go under? Absolutely not.
aee78 39 points 8m ago
Salaried managers would not be part of the union, they would still work for corporate starbucks.
They've been told they we be treated like license stores, can't borrow partners, can't borrow product, and who knows what else. And they very well may need to go through reps to talk to you about things, corrective actions for sure.
They've been told they we be treated like license stores, can't borrow partners, can't borrow product, and who knows what else. And they very well may need to go through reps to talk to you about things, corrective actions for sure.
overturned23 52 points 8m ago
My store is unionized and I have borrowed partners and take product from other stores. That’s some bullshit.
aee78 11 points 8m ago
That's what my SM was told. Are you borrowing them from other ununionized stores? But it wouldn't surprise me that corporate is scaring SMs to try and get them to dissuade partners. My SM hasn't really said anything, I over heard (I was standing like a foot away, they knew I was there) someone asking them about their thoughts on the union when the first store voted, so it's been awhile.
overturned23 12 points 8m ago
I believe you. I’m an ASM and have not heard from higher ups about this communication myself. We have partners from non unionized stores, 1 of them are an SM but we have regular baristas and shifts as borrowed partners as well and I haven’t heard anything about not being allowed to schedule them. I was a SSV when we had our union vote, and my manager at the time (she was fired for being a POS) was definitely asking our feelings on the matter, which made me uncomfortable. I ultimately voted yes because I believe in what’s right and we need better working conditions and pay/hours etc, but hearing management talk about unions make me uncomfortable.
canidieyet_ 2 points 8m ago
also a unionized partner here. we borrow product/partners from nonunion stores consistently and some of our baristas work / send product to nonunion stores also. it’s crazy bc my SM also told us we couldn’t work at other stores but will ask us to go help out at nonunion stores that same day lmfao.
HamburgIar_ 4 points 8m ago
They are referring to after the store has ratified a contract
sheep_heavenly 15 points 8m ago
Hi, union store in Seattle here:
> can't borrow partners
Untrue, it is not common for borrows to happen but when it does it usually is from non unionized stores, just logistically the next union one is not as close.
> can't borrow product
I had someone pick up product today and I've borrowed product from every store in the immediate area, even the first store
> they very well may need to go through reps to talk to you about things
No direct dealing, so bargaining but directly with one member. Changes in workplace conditions, like pay or changes to work duties, but not like "hey how have you been you just seemed a bit quiet today and I wanted to check in with how you're feeling, support you"
You can be disciplined without your union rep knowing unless the contract says otherwise, but you're legally allowed a union rep/steward at disciplinary meetings **if you enforce that right**. It can be waived.
And a union rep/steward isn't necessarily a non worker. In SBWU it is more often than not a coworker who is knowledgeable in company policy and the union contract/current status, plus also a WU staff available.
> can't borrow partners
Untrue, it is not common for borrows to happen but when it does it usually is from non unionized stores, just logistically the next union one is not as close.
> can't borrow product
I had someone pick up product today and I've borrowed product from every store in the immediate area, even the first store
> they very well may need to go through reps to talk to you about things
No direct dealing, so bargaining but directly with one member. Changes in workplace conditions, like pay or changes to work duties, but not like "hey how have you been you just seemed a bit quiet today and I wanted to check in with how you're feeling, support you"
You can be disciplined without your union rep knowing unless the contract says otherwise, but you're legally allowed a union rep/steward at disciplinary meetings **if you enforce that right**. It can be waived.
And a union rep/steward isn't necessarily a non worker. In SBWU it is more often than not a coworker who is knowledgeable in company policy and the union contract/current status, plus also a WU staff available.
dankmobile 15 points 8m ago
keyword is “they [SMs] have been told.” they have been told all this by anti union corporate employees and they’re being lied to
AAA_Morningstar 21 points 8m ago
Most of the managers that I have worked for in restaurants in the past and at Starbucks are usually narcissistic and hate the idea that they have less power over you when you unionize. It’s like they thrive on having that type of power over you and when it’s taken away it drives them crazy.
darkwolf523 17 points 8m ago
One of the stores In my district is unionizing. I’m happy they are and hopefully I can get the courage in doing the same thing
sheep_heavenly 15 points 8m ago
sbworkersunited.org, the form goes directly to workers that organize (like me!) and union staff so we can get in contact to support you when you're ready 💖
darkwolf523 10 points 8m ago
Ty. I wasn’t aware of that site
mondrianna 3 points 8m ago
I filled out the form months ago and never received a response. Is it something where you need to fill it our multiple times?
sheep_heavenly 3 points 8m ago
Oh that shouldn't happen, but there was a lot of initial set up a few months back that might've lost your submission. If you're comfortable, I'm on the welcome team for WA/OR/ID and can directly connect you to the workers for your area. Either way I'd suggest submitting the form again!
bagels224357 13 points 8m ago
Starbucks def does a lot of fear mongering/union busting which is terrible, but as someone who worked at a store that started to unionize, I can tell you that the relationship you have with your manager absolutely will change if you pursue a union. Manager/employee relationship is not something you can negotiate, it’s just a culture that develops over time and in my experience it all basically fell apart as soon as unionizing started and it made the experience of working at the store a lot worse
sheep_heavenly 7 points 8m ago
It can be good. The problem starts with the pressure corporate has been found to put on some store managers to union bust. It continues with the distrust and fear that workers feel when their manager is an adversary instead of an ally.
I've had great relationships with my managers. I tell them I'll let them know if I think something they are saying or doing is questionably not okay, and that I'm a safe person to ask questions without worrying I'll immediate cry foul without letting them know. Mutual respect.
I've had great relationships with my managers. I tell them I'll let them know if I think something they are saying or doing is questionably not okay, and that I'm a safe person to ask questions without worrying I'll immediate cry foul without letting them know. Mutual respect.
vivnaomi [OP] 11 points 8m ago
Feel free to correct me.
Comfortable-Plane944 35 points 8m ago
Yea my store lost out election. But I work for a different org now that just unionized and I promise you, unionization makes everything sooo much better. I don’t even notice the dues because my wages are so much better and the dues are so small ( to give an example- my checks are around 2,000 and my dues are 28 dollars a check)
AdIll7946 2 points 8m ago
Curious if you can tell us what your pay got bumped to??????
Comfortable-Plane944 6 points 8m ago
My pay when I started with this org was 15.36 hr and it was bumped to 17. BUT because of the nature of the work ( I’m on a political campaign) we ALWAYS have over time so the bump from OT went from 23 to 25
Karl_Rover 9 points 8m ago
My manager said that if the unions succeed there won't be a need for a manager anymore. It took a lot of effort not to laugh - like i get it if you are a misinformed random but maybe as an SM you should verify that what they are telling you is misinformation before you repeat it?! Better to say nothing at all lol.
StarbzBoi 8 points 8m ago
Do we know if “workers United” has union initiation fees? I know it works with SEIU and I would imagine a big union like that has initiation fees too
dankmobile 5 points 8m ago
as far as i can see, no they do not.
StarbzBoi 2 points 8m ago
Nice! Thank you!
sleepykilljoy 3 points 8m ago
nope! they’ve been very supportive without fees for my store
StarbzBoi 1 points 8m ago
That’s awesome. I’ve heard a lot about union dues in the dialogue but nothing about initiation fees into the union so that’s good to know we won’t pay any of those.
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SirAhNo 5 points 8m ago
Heads-up - you can file an unfair labor practice charge for your boss lying to you about something like that.
Lilith-Round 5 points 8m ago
As a shift supervisor, would I be able to contribute to union efforts? Or would I be seen as a member of management?
sheep_heavenly 6 points 8m ago
Shift supervisors are members of the union! The cutoff is generally the ability to hire, fire, schedule, discipline the workers in the union. Shifts can recommend discipline but that's it. Organizers tend to be supervisors, we're kinda great at the whole wrangling a floor of baristas to do stuff while juggling admin tasks
catpants243 6 points 8m ago
I believe if you aren't salaried you would be part of the union.
Enkeria92 4 points 8m ago
I’m not anti-union, but for Starbucks I am. Hear me out before you downvote me.
1) Starbucks already has a lot of toxic employees and managers. Unionizing would make it near impossible to hold them accountable or get them fired. They could be an hour late everyday and they’d still have a job.
2) Starbucks already pays very well and has great health, vision, dental, free college, free Spotify, and free therapy on top of tips. Do you guys really want to potentially lose that?
3) instead of unionizing, why not just go on strike and hold corporate accountable for not firing the toxic managers? If I still worked for Starbucks, I would have absolutely done that, but my manager was - and still is - an ableist c*** in every single way possible. I ended up quitting because she refused to give me more hours than just below full time and always made me the bad guy.
4) Yes, you do have to pay Union fees for being in a union. That’s been a known fact for decades. Union dues vary by who your representatives are.
1) Starbucks already has a lot of toxic employees and managers. Unionizing would make it near impossible to hold them accountable or get them fired. They could be an hour late everyday and they’d still have a job.
2) Starbucks already pays very well and has great health, vision, dental, free college, free Spotify, and free therapy on top of tips. Do you guys really want to potentially lose that?
3) instead of unionizing, why not just go on strike and hold corporate accountable for not firing the toxic managers? If I still worked for Starbucks, I would have absolutely done that, but my manager was - and still is - an ableist c*** in every single way possible. I ended up quitting because she refused to give me more hours than just below full time and always made me the bad guy.
4) Yes, you do have to pay Union fees for being in a union. That’s been a known fact for decades. Union dues vary by who your representatives are.
SupaFugDup 12 points 8m ago
Imagine being able to report your ableist manager to a union rep who has contractual authority over Starbucks instead of an HR person working for them.
Imagine having those sweet benefits Starbucks gives out codified into a union contract so they can't just take them away when they feel like it.
Idk, I quite enjoy my gig at a unionized licensed store. People who suck do get fired still too; but nobody ever gets fired for stupid shit, and they can't schedule you shit hours trying to get you to quit. These details vary by locality, but weak union will always be better for the frontline staff than no union.
Imagine having those sweet benefits Starbucks gives out codified into a union contract so they can't just take them away when they feel like it.
Idk, I quite enjoy my gig at a unionized licensed store. People who suck do get fired still too; but nobody ever gets fired for stupid shit, and they can't schedule you shit hours trying to get you to quit. These details vary by locality, but weak union will always be better for the frontline staff than no union.
Jew_3 6 points 8m ago
Former WPS store worker/union steward here. The company can fire the toxic workers, and pretty easily. The manager needs to do their job as a manager and document infractions, follow the steps to coach/write/terminate, and should include the union steward in the process. The lazy managers will bitch that they cannot fire anyone, but a manager who truly wants someone gone, just needs to use the contract as a roadmap to termination.
nonogender 3 points 8m ago
shift supervisors are not salaried
kiwi517 3 points 8m ago
Another thing worth noting is that union dues are used to help partners in need. That money from your paycheck is basically a fund for union partners should they need any financial assistance during strikes or other hard times. Just a small amount of money and a good cause!
vivnaomi [OP] 2 points 8m ago
Yep + already do that something like it. It’s the cup fund
AndrewFan0408 3 points 8m ago
Hi guys, I just want to ask, for someone like me who work minimum hours because of school (4-8 hrs), what benefit will I get from joining the union?
Anon31780 4 points 8m ago
Depends on what the union contract says. Right now, you may not be working enough hours to remain with the company, but with a union contract that stipulates lower minimum hours, you could keep your job. You might also benefit from higher wages and greater job protections.
AndrewFan0408 2 points 8m ago
Thank you for replying. My store is not unionized yet, but I did heard other partners talking about union stuff recently. My manager allow me to work lower then the 12hr minimum, and I don't really care about the total income. It won't make to much difference for the 4hr / week anyway. I keep the work mostly for the benefits and 401K. Should I join the union in this case?
Anon31780 6 points 8m ago
Union membership is a personal decision, but be aware that your manager “allowing” you to work less than the minimum is also a personal decision that they’re making. At some point, that decision could change (or be taken away from them), and then you’re gone. A union contract could prevent that (again, only if hours are specified, and that would be a common thing to have specified).
devilsadvokate7 2 points 8m ago
Your math is not correct for your verbiage. Your math is correct for 1 week of 40 hours at $40/hr. For two weeks it would look more like gross pay: $3,200. 1% = $32, 2% = $64. Net pay approx $3,104 before taxes, benefits, medical, etc
mondrianna 3 points 8m ago
I thought that number seemed extremely low! Thank you :)
tbb10 1 points 7m ago
What union are you in that you’re going to be making $40/hr and paying $16 in dues. I pay $14 now making $18/hr. And my non unionized jobs have definitely had more “perks”
mangotangoafterdark -29 points 8m ago
1-2% is not something i’d even be willing to pay tbh
Epona_02 18 points 8m ago
guys i found the secret corporate account
mangotangoafterdark -13 points 8m ago
i wish i would be making so much more money
Jesslynnlove 7 points 8m ago
...but clearly you don't have the brains for a corporate position just on the basis of not wanting to pay 1-2% for a net profit of atleast a few hundred dollars.
"i give you 300$, you give me 6$"
"No thanks, i prefer to be more poor"
"i give you 300$, you give me 6$"
"No thanks, i prefer to be more poor"
Longjumping_Stick_56 8 points 8m ago
~$10for more money per hour??
mangotangoafterdark -4 points 8m ago
i make more than other fast food jobs and we are getting cc tipping
Longjumping_Stick_56 13 points 8m ago
that doesn’t make up for the poor working conditions… plus why not make more AND have cc tipping
mangotangoafterdark -3 points 8m ago
have you worked anywhere in food other than starbucks? it’s all shitty conditions. and because you guys have too high expectations. we aren’t as replaceable as we used to be but we still don’t have THAT much power over them😭 you can only negotiate your way so high, esp cause they just gave everyone raises
miniinovaa 7 points 8m ago
We are too in a couple weeks 🤗 a win
DogmaticHappiness 7 points 8m ago
But income taxes are fine, I suppose? You know that generally in the union they let you pick your hours and pay, right?
mangotangoafterdark 2 points 8m ago
you don’t just get pick your pay, you negotiate it. what are you even saying. and what point are you trying to make because who likes taxes???
chinksauces 6 points 8m ago
idk who’s been feeding you corporate suck up soup but holy Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
vivnaomi [OP] 5 points 8m ago
Because?
mangotangoafterdark -6 points 8m ago
because that’s my money? that 1-2% is more i could be contributing to my 401k
vivnaomi [OP] 11 points 8m ago
Do you know what unions dues are for?
mangotangoafterdark -1 points 8m ago
it won’t work but have fun
darkwolf523 4 points 8m ago
Oh no. Missing a 1-2% of your paycheck. Tiniest amount you could lose and make back. I’m a investor on my free time. Could make that back in no time
mobiledanceteam -12 points 8m ago
I dunno man, A store in my district signed a 2 year union agreement and a couple months in **NO ONE** who pushed for it or signed it is still there. They all quit. The store has to wait out the contract in the meantime. Not a shining solution for anyone.
SirAhNo 11 points 8m ago
There's no Starbucks corporate locations that have a contract yet. Not sure what you're referring to.
sheep_heavenly 8 points 8m ago
What do you gain by lying here? No store in the US with SBWU has signed a union contract yet, bargaining is literally starting FIRST SESSIONS tomorrow for a select few stores.
TransposedApophenia 2 points 8m ago
Literally anti union propaganda lies
mobiledanceteam 0 points 8m ago
This subs rules prevent me from providing the best proof, but I assure you it is true. There nothing I can send to you without doxing the store or it's barista's.
Opposing views or facts are not automatically propaganda.
Opposing views or facts are not automatically propaganda.
HamburgIar_ -12 points 8m ago
Personally I think being part of a union makes it easier for management to fire you. Those shoes you're wearing? Out of dress code, here's a write up( yes you have a union rep present during the write up but if it's in the partner guide they can't protect you). Oh you are 6 min late? Here's a write up. No name badge ? You are out of dress code, here's a write up. Making fun of a customer's order? That's against the third place policy, here is a write up.
When you make it an us vs them environment, we don't win as baristas. Unionizing makes it an us vs them environment and that's before there is even a contract ratified (still hasn't happened in the US). It happened in the UK and the partners at that location were NOT part of the company wide wage increase and are now making less than their peers for the rest of the contract (look it up).
I do feel like there are stores that would benefit from unions (primarily those with crappy leadership) but as a whole I think this is a step in the wrong direction.
When you make it an us vs them environment, we don't win as baristas. Unionizing makes it an us vs them environment and that's before there is even a contract ratified (still hasn't happened in the US). It happened in the UK and the partners at that location were NOT part of the company wide wage increase and are now making less than their peers for the rest of the contract (look it up).
I do feel like there are stores that would benefit from unions (primarily those with crappy leadership) but as a whole I think this is a step in the wrong direction.
sheep_heavenly 8 points 8m ago
>Personally I think being part of a union makes it easier for management to fire you. Those shoes you're wearing? Out of dress code, here's a write up
The illegal union busting tactic is not a reason to be critical of unions lol, it's a problem with corporate.
In my region we've successfully navigated away from BS write ups using our Weingarten rights, meanwhile a non union barista literally this month was fired for a vague "not keeping mission and values". Also borrowed at union stores a lot and frankly was a model barista so that's FASCINATING
The illegal union busting tactic is not a reason to be critical of unions lol, it's a problem with corporate.
In my region we've successfully navigated away from BS write ups using our Weingarten rights, meanwhile a non union barista literally this month was fired for a vague "not keeping mission and values". Also borrowed at union stores a lot and frankly was a model barista so that's FASCINATING
HamburgIar_ -1 points 8m ago
I find it hard to believe an SM would fire a model barista for nothing.
sheep_heavenly 2 points 8m ago
Right? Which is why it's frustrating and difficult to figure out when the reason listed is "not upholding mission and values" with zero context or explanation to the worker.
Lilith-Round 6 points 8m ago
Howard is that you?
HamburgIar_ -1 points 8m ago
Nope, just a barista making a realistic observation that isn't based on emotion. It would be awesome if more people tried to look at this with some forward thinking instead of jumping onboard the union bandwagon because you had a bad day at work.
Jesslynnlove 3 points 8m ago
firstly, you brought up the UK partners so it's on you to source your claim, not us as readers to look it up.
Unionization pushes corporate to increase the financial betterment of baristas of current day so in that sense it is extremely healthy for a unionization push when corporations are raking in record breaking revenue and it's not being reciprocated in the lower end of the chain whilst CEO and board members get massive bonuses whilst inflating stock value through buybacks.
Unionization pushes corporate to increase the financial betterment of baristas of current day so in that sense it is extremely healthy for a unionization push when corporations are raking in record breaking revenue and it's not being reciprocated in the lower end of the chain whilst CEO and board members get massive bonuses whilst inflating stock value through buybacks.
HamburgIar_ 2 points 8m ago
My bad it was Canada not the UK.
The Douglas Street store in British Columbia.
$1
And for the record, I do agree that the unionization has been good for baristas as a whole as it has forced Starbucks to increase wages faster than they would have liked. I
The Douglas Street store in British Columbia.
$1
And for the record, I do agree that the unionization has been good for baristas as a whole as it has forced Starbucks to increase wages faster than they would have liked. I
P_2_P 3 points 8m ago
Love the enthusiasm. But there’s means of writing up employees in a lot of companies. First time occurrences does not warrant a write up, 1 time infractions does not get you written up. Currently at Starbucks there are pathways to a write up, starting with coaching, verbal warnings, recorded conversations and then a write up.
It seems in your hypothetical store, the us versus them mentality has long been established before any talks of unionizing.
Also, just a reminder to all. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN A WRITE UP. Especially if you do not agree with it.
It seems in your hypothetical store, the us versus them mentality has long been established before any talks of unionizing.
Also, just a reminder to all. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN A WRITE UP. Especially if you do not agree with it.
HamburgIar_ 1 points 8m ago
Not signing a write up does not make it any less valid. Starbucks does not require a coaching/verbal/recorded conversation/ then a write up for every infraction.
I understand the process of write ups is already established in other companies as well as Starbucks. My point is, when you unionize, you create an us vs them environment that tends to bring a strict focus on policy vs leniency leading to more firings (evident by the firings already taking place in stores that voted to unionize) those firings are all legitimate because the partners broke policy.period.
If you decide to unionize, you better be on your 'A' game every day and don't expect to be given a pass. Know the partner guide front to back. Pick up a shift at any given store and look for violations of store policy and see how quickly partners could be let go. If you think this isn't the case you are lying to yourself.
I understand the process of write ups is already established in other companies as well as Starbucks. My point is, when you unionize, you create an us vs them environment that tends to bring a strict focus on policy vs leniency leading to more firings (evident by the firings already taking place in stores that voted to unionize) those firings are all legitimate because the partners broke policy.period.
If you decide to unionize, you better be on your 'A' game every day and don't expect to be given a pass. Know the partner guide front to back. Pick up a shift at any given store and look for violations of store policy and see how quickly partners could be let go. If you think this isn't the case you are lying to yourself.
P_2_P 5 points 8m ago
Have you ever worked for a union before?
I think you’ve been mislead to believe things that aren’t necessarily true. If anything unions can protect you from petty corrective actions or any sort of illegal retaliation.
I think you’ve been mislead to believe things that aren’t necessarily true. If anything unions can protect you from petty corrective actions or any sort of illegal retaliation.
HamburgIar_ 1 points 8m ago
I have worked for a union before. They sound great on paper.
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