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Question about the opening count. (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by boethiath
So I'm a California partner, and I had an opening shift. I arrived maybe 30 seconds or a minute after my fellow opener and my shift walked in. I tried to enter but the shift wouldn't let me in because of "the money" or whatever. Is this an actual rule that the doors can't be unlocked while they're counting the safe? She didn't let me in until 4:30, but I got there at 4:00am. I'm just bothered by it and I'm trying to understand the logic here.
pumpkinbarr 142 points 8m ago
Ummmm…. No. You can let your partners in. That isn’t okay. Talk to your SM about it.
boethiath [OP] 55 points 8m ago
That was my plan. I knew it didn't feel right, and couldn't understand why it would be a hassle to let me in. Thanks for the reply
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kittykattt3 41 points 8m ago
Money is out in the middle of the day though during mid money and we have customers coming in and out plus partners coming in and out for their shifts. You can for sure have the door open you just have to close it once you’re done with it or walking away
Vincent_Cromwell27 8 points 8m ago
It’s different during the open and at close. The safe cannot be opened 30 minutes before locking the door, and when the safe is open before doors open for customers, you cannot open the door.
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xiew 8 points 8m ago
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted when my district manager literally reminded us about this a week and a half ago. It’s something corporate is pushing right now.
toasterstrudelboy 2 points 8m ago
That's because they make impossible and illogical standards that are easily and commonly broken due to both lack of training and the necessity of workflow. The real problem is that they issue these terminations unequally and specifically target folks they see as threats to their bottom line. It's no way to run a sustainable business.
nikkicarter1111 3 points 8m ago
If the *safe is open* the door cannot be opened. The shift could have let the person in before opening the safe. If they had the safe open, they can just pop the drawers in the safe and close it to let the partner in. It takes 2 minutes to reopen it.

I would always always always value the safety of the partner waiting outside over me losing 2 minutes of counting time.
Liberalmuffin 127 points 8m ago
i’m also concerned it took her thirty minutes to count ?
Vincent_Cromwell27 19 points 8m ago
Lol my concern
lilkiosk 13 points 8m ago
Lol I have a shift at my store who swears they’re the best shift the company has ever seen, 30+ minutes to count every time.
pastabreadpasta 2 points 8m ago
Right? How did she even get the safe open that quickly if OP said she was coming in almost right after the shift???
neilgreenbreen 101 points 8m ago
Sometimes I think I’m a bad shift and then I read shit like this 😭😭

In their defense I have worked in some industries that do lock everyone in while safes are being emptied and counted. Maybe she worked at a grocery store for a while? Lmao
streetratroadie 76 points 8m ago
Make sure you log your time as a missed punch in the log. Also have never had this happen and have been let in during that time before.
moritz-stiefel 43 points 8m ago
No this is not allowed. At all. Partners can absolutely be in the store while money is being counted, or else we wouldn't be able to close at all. Also, supervisors (or anyone) are not allowed to be in the store alone for cash safety reasons. Please reach out to your SM and probably DM, because it very much sounds like your shift is doing something they should not be, or is at least horribly misinformed.

And like other commenters have said, write your time in the book so you get paid for the time you waited outside.
clouds183 16 points 8m ago
you’re misunderstanding. the ssv and another partner were in the store, leaving op outside. the two walked in together and then opened the safe, and then op arrived. no one was in the store alone.
moritz-stiefel 9 points 8m ago
Oh, got it now, lol. Still very weird. And also it does not take a solid half hour to count out tills and the safe in the morning so I have no idea what happened there. It's also a pretty firm rule that all openers and closers should be entering and leaving the store together - I work in a very high incident area and I'd never leave a partner alone outside at 4am
yeahcanigetuhhhh 1 points 8m ago
the other partner could’ve let OP in, money wouldn’t be left unattended & door would be unlocked & locked in 2 seconds
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bottlehalffull 0 points 8m ago
False. We do drawer pulls and midday counts with a lobby full of customers every single day, this was just a power trip.
xiew 0 points 8m ago
If you’ve read some other comments you’ll have seen that it’s an opening and closing specific policy that I forgot to elaborate on that other people have said.
bottlehalffull 1 points 8m ago
I'm the primary opener of my store, this has never once been communicated in any trainings, policy meetings, updates, district huddles, shift panels.
morningchampagne 19 points 8m ago
You’re most likely to be robbed before the store opens and after it closes. For these reasons the safe should not be open if the front door isn’t locked. That’s why they didn’t let you in. But you should have been let in once they finished counting. Like maybe 10 minutes. Sounds like your ssv might be a asshole
bottlehalffull 2 points 8m ago
Your store doesn't do midday counts or drawer pulls at shift change?
morningchampagne 1 points 8m ago
We do, the safe can be opened outside of the high robbery times with the door open. It’s just really early and really late that it’s not considered safe. If you never opened the safe unless the door was locked how could someone get change?
morningchampagne -22 points 8m ago
The also should have opened the door to customers like 10 minutes before posted time so you really shouldn’t have been outside that long
dontcry2022 11 points 8m ago
As an opening barista, I don't think the door is supposed to be opened before official time. My shift opens it literally like, right at opening time.
morningchampagne -3 points 8m ago
It’s called the 10 minute rule. You open 10 min early and close 10 minutes late. But lol I never followed it.
nikkicarter1111 2 points 8m ago
That hasn't been standard policy for like 8 years.
Chaos_but_not_quite 2 points 8m ago
Is that still a standard policy? I thought most stores don't leave the store open an extra 10 min before open and close anymore?
morningchampagne 1 points 8m ago
I was told fairly recently it is but legit I don’t think anyone actually follows it.
PoppyPancakes 11 points 8m ago
For cash handling safety we are not supposed to open the doors/windows while the safe is open/cash is out. If you arrived right after they walked in, there is no way she had the safe open by the time you got to the door and it sounds like she’s just being a dick
bottlehalffull 2 points 8m ago
Explain drawer pulls and midday count.....
verdeuce 3 points 8m ago
The store is open. They’re speaking specifically when the store is closed/30 minutes within opening and closing.
PoppyPancakes 1 points 8m ago
There are other cash handling precautions when the store is open too. Not identifying the key holder, not loudly talking about money, etc. there’s a big difference between 3 partners in the store when it’s not open with $2000 readily available and a mid day safe count with 7 partners in the daylight with a full cafe of customers. If you don’t understand cash handling safety you probably either aren’t in a position to know it or you shouldn’t be.

Plus I’m pretty sure we aren’t supposed to count down tils when the store is still open.
verdeuce 2 points 8m ago
Yes exactly
overturned23 7 points 8m ago
I’ve never ever heard of this. They might be confused with policy that the safe cannot be open while outside vendors are in the store but I don’t know where they got that from. You can definitely let your partners into the store. Talk to your SM before and explain the situation before they try and yell at you for being late. Also may I add that it shouldn’t be taking her 30 minutes to count, it should be 15 minutes top, so yeah definitely talk to your SM.
Lcolecrochet 5 points 8m ago
Make sure you get paid for being there on time. Write in the book that you were there at 4 and talk to your SM and they will adjust your time. You did what you were supposed to you shouldn’t be docked for the Shifts mistake.
pastabreadpasta 2 points 8m ago
This!!!
Vincent_Cromwell27 4 points 8m ago
If the safe is open before the stores open hours, the door can’t be opened for safety.
new_direction_ 3 points 8m ago
You can’t open the doors outside of business hours with the safe open, but they shouldn’t have been in this situation to begin with. Locking you out when you were on time for a scheduled opening shift is where they’re in the wrong. Also, taking thirty minutes to count the safe is insane - it takes me about 15 minutes to set up all of my money in the morning, and for maybe 5 minutes of that is the safe open.
AdUpbeat376 2 points 8m ago
So I’d never heard of this either until we got new management about a year ago and the new SM talked to us about this rule. So basically he explained it as during the morning and evening hours so open and close once the safe is open than all the doors and window must remained locked until the sage is closed again. The reason mid money is allowed is that there is daylight and usually more foot traffic so something is less likely to happen in their eyes I guess? Not gonna lie I don’t understand the mid money exception but I do kinda understand the open/close part. Whenever I open and a barista is running late I’ll call them to see how behind they are and if it’s more than 5 minutes I just tell them to take their time because I can’t let them in until the money is done anyways. But if your shift said this when you’re like literally a minute behind it just sounds like they’re being a dick because there’s no way they’d clock in and have the safe open in that time.
Kritter82 2 points 8m ago
At my store, we waited until all opening partners were at the store before we went inside to do opening duties
ThrowRAnightsky 2 points 8m ago
Yeah you should've been let in. Especially since you're an opener. Baristas at my store are late sometimes and we always open the door for them when we confirm it's them even if the shift is counting. We just lock it behind us and continue our opening tasks.
vanilllacakez 2 points 8m ago
Literally not a thing …
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tacosubterfuge 1 points 8m ago
I mean I guess I understand the logic, but mid safe count is also a thing and that occurs during business hours. As well as change orders and dropping tills. Not sure if that's policy, but it definitely is a new one for me.
Wonderful-Put-5972 1 points 8m ago
Oh FFS someone being a lil power mad! That's just being cruel. I had a shift so some similar BS to me when I was a greenie. Luckily, the manager could see thru her BS.
verdeuce 1 points 8m ago
Why didn’t all partners wait to walk in together? Also there’s 0% chance that if you were 30seconds to a minute behind them that the shift already had the safe open.
I_like_to_know 1 points 8m ago
I don't understand why the shift would rather penalize someone for being a minute late than have the extra body for the opening tasks. Talk about cutting off your nose...
sirensongscurse 1 points 8m ago
Is the safe at your store not time delayed? I remember going to get my tips on days off and having to wait 10 minutes for the safe timer before I could get them. If your store has a time delayed safe it wouldn’t have even been able to be opened that fast. I don’t know if every store has them or not though
nikkicarter1111 3 points 8m ago
That's for door 2, where tips ans deposit are usually kept. Door 1 is where the tills are, that's a 2 min delay.
sirensongscurse 2 points 8m ago
Oh okay! I thought it was all the same. Thanks for the answer!
starfire03 0 points 8m ago
Former CA SSV here, there's no reason if you were walking in right behind the openers for you to be left outside.

If you had arrived when your SSV was in the middle of their count, yeah waiting until they were done before getting let in in appropriate, but when you're steps behind them? Yeah, there's not logic here that really makes sense because before you even set the safe the first thing that's supposed to happen is turning off the alarm.
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