venti fraps in a trenta cup(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by lilly260_
Our store has a regular who orders a venti vanilla bean frap with three affogato shots and in a trenta cup. We have been giving it to her because nobody knew we weren’t supposed to serve it in a trenta. Our new ASM is on drive thru and they tell the customer that we cannot do that, this customer FLIPS out and starts screaming. They pull around to the window and start verbally harassing my ASM and cussing her out over a Frappuccino. I felt terrible because we genuinely did not know, and my ASM took the brunt of it. They handled the encounter well and told the customer the baristas were not aware of the standard and that it has to be enforced. I just wanted to share as an example of why you should always follow standards. It really matters.
Responsible_Snow7109114 points8m ago
And i hate that some SSVs or managers or ASMs (not ur ASM) but i just mean in general everywhere will give in cuz a customer knows that all they have to do is get upset an cause a scene or yell an whine to get said people listed above to give them what they want because of the make the moment right crap. I feel as if that should only apply to things such as if a customer ran into am emergency and their mobile order is gross and not fresh anymore so we make them a new order free of charge or if we made a mistake then we fix it or if they misspeak then we fix it or whatever. It shouldnt apply to the types of customers who throw fits over us not breaking something that we're clearly telling them is standard
moon_light52328 points8m ago
wait I literally thought that what you described WAS what making the moment right is supposed to look like, not SM/ASM/SSV giving in when they yell
Responsible_Snow710923 points8m ago
Yep i feel like making the moment right is supposed to be for like if somebody mobile orders and they run into a situation and they can't come right away and their drink ends up sitting there for a long time and it becomes nasty or their breakfast sandwich or something, then we should remake it. Or if somebody drops a drink or spills it or their food falls out or something then we remake it. Or if somebody genuinely forgot to ask for something to go in their drink then we're supposed to make the moment right and do it.
But make the moment right shouldnt apply to customers who cry and whine because they know the company is going to throw a gift card or whatever they want at them and so they kno thats all they gotta do if they want something that breaks standard/policy
Edit to add: so some managers or SSVs or ASMs will be like "just make the moment right" even if a customer is verbally assaulting a partner. No that should not apply to the make the moment right rule
moon_light5238 points8m ago
yeah I agree with what you’re saying and you’re edit. I don’t understand why people are downvoting me lol
Responsible_Snow71095 points8m ago
Idk lol i dont even question or care about downvotes anymore. But personally, ur comment was confusing slightly but i think i get it, but i didn't downvote
bloop_4053 points8m ago
I still hate this but unfortunately it's work and life isn't fair so I just go with it 🥲
Responsible_Snow71092 points8m ago
Yepp there are several standards i dont like but i have to just go with it because like u said "its work and life isnt fair" lol im not guna break standards for entitled people. And entitled refers to anyone who gets told something is standard and that grown adult still cries about it and screams
lilly260_ [OP]2 points8m ago
Yes I agree, i’m honestly surprised my ASM didn’t give in because I know I probably would’ve just to get the costumer to stop screaming. I wish people were nicer😭
Responsible_Snow71092 points8m ago
Yea unfortunately some grown ass adults think that acting like a child gets them what they want. Like my mom always said....when ur first born, u wear diapers and u learn how to walk and talk and read eventually and tantrums. But getting older is the same thing, u have to learn how to walk in some cases and wear diapers lol and it gets hard to read....and the tantrums! Lolol it truly makes me intrigued by that way of thought cuz then it atleast gives me an idea of where the tanrums may be coming from lmao
Comfortable-Plane944103 points8m ago
I hate it when people try to make exceptions with these type of rules for customers. Like no, you’re just going to make things more difficult for everyone
lilly260_ [OP]28 points8m ago
yes MUCH more difficult
Dibbly505064 points8m ago
I once had a customer that would geta venti frappe add shots, extra ice and extra pumps. It was so much she would have us fill her personal cup(venti) and take the rest in another venti cup. Both were filled to the top. I tried to enforce the standard and she cussed me out, call corporate, and I was coached to "make the moment right". She got what she wanted plus whatever they gave her on her membership card and I got in trouble.
Smooth_Specialist_4240 points8m ago
This ^ is why I don’t bother enforcing the trenta cup rule. Sorry guys, not worth getting yelled at by a customer AND getting in trouble just to enforce honestly arbitrary rules
lewabwee11 points8m ago
I’ve had this happen to so many people I’ve worked with. Like, you really have to walk a line between enforcing the rules and risking your job for enforcing the rules. You’ll never risk your job by giving in though.
leopardsocks10 points8m ago
Except now that Starbucks is on a union busting rampage, you honestly could get fired for giving in. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
lewabwee7 points8m ago
Yeah I just see people on these threads going after other baristas who give in to the customer, as if they weren’t being told by someone to give in to the customers.
You never know what you’ll do that’ll get you written up or fired at this company.
vegan-trash7 points8m ago
Yep. Same here. Customer with a venti Frappuccino with 7 shots gets 2 ventis
ashley092729 points8m ago
Imagine getting so mad over a Frappuccino that you have to cuss out a worker…. It’s disgusting.
romanianhopscotch14 points8m ago
I wish places would just immediately ban customers that act like that. Oh you had a tantrum and literally screamed at me or my coworkers? That sucks that you won’t be able to come to this location ever again, Bye forever. No reasonable human being would act like that.
PotatoLaBelle4 points8m ago
Self-entitlement is a helluva drug smh
RyusuiJL5 points8m ago
Corporate greed is an even stronger drug. It's why we have entitled customers, stupid shit like Black Friday, and all the other wonderful things of the same or similar nature.
Electrical_Metal_10619 points8m ago
We should also be “making the moment right” for partners. When you set a precedent to break standards with a greedy customer, they feel entitled not grateful. It’s time we also include ourselves in making it right because we have to feel the ripple effect when people act out when they don’t get their way. Let’s all start following the standards and only bending for customers when they had an an emergency, or their order was incorrect, etc. -which was the original intent of that phrase. It’s not meant to just give the customers the ability to get whatever they want.
RyusuiJL4 points8m ago
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
oshian_11 points8m ago
i hate “the customer is always right” mentality that starbucks actively encourages. it’s the reason why the customers act the way they act and it’s so frustrating
UsualRefrigerator2119 points8m ago
we have a customer at my store that does this. she has it as your name for mobile “trenta cup” and when i didn’t put it in a trenta cup my ppl at my store had me remake it because she was mad i poured out what she paid for
BlueberrySea24575 points8m ago
This is where I’d understand someone being pissed off. If they did indeed pay extra for whatever they wanted and it legitimately made more drink than the cup can hold why wouldn’t you offer them the excess in another cup? If they’re just taking advantage of modifications and not paying for it… then fuck em’.
Hot-Independence86707 points8m ago
it’s against standard to give them the excess, and it’s also pretty hard to even have any excess if you make the frapps the way they’re supposed to be made. gives you the same exact amount every single time
BlueberrySea24572 points8m ago
I’m saying if they paid for additional shots of espresso etc. And it causes excess. No excess… no problem.
starryesque5 points8m ago
Well the way I see it is that you’re paying for the amount of ounces of the drink you ordered, just because there’s overflow that doesn’t mean that you should get the excess.
Responsible_Snow71090 points8m ago
I agree, some guy was ordering a venti or a trenta black iced tea (it was a while ago) and he was standing there watching me make it. I was moving super fast so i may have over poured in the slightest and he was like "can i get the extra since i paid for it?" Lol he paid for the size he paid for. Hes not entitled to extra. Plus it was literally the width of the side of a finger. It was literally 2 gulps. Like u really want me to put it in a whole other cup so u can have 2 extra gulps?? Just cuz i overpoured by a teeeeeny bit doesnt mean ur entitled to it
BlueberrySea2457-1 points8m ago
Ok… so you order a cheeseburger with 3 extra patties…. But the box doesn’t close anymore because the modification you just paid extra for makes the burger too big…so I throw 2 of them in the garbage so it will close. You’d be ok with that and not feel ripped off?
yvesagain8 points8m ago
Quick question, why aren't we allowed to serve frappes in a trenta cup? I'm curious
moon_light52314 points8m ago
because there isn’t a standard for it— it has different lines. same with when you get a grande in a venti or something you get extra ice, VSCCF, etc to fill the space. there also isn’t a trenta dome lid for it.
yvesagain4 points8m ago
right but like, theoretically you could just measure it in a venti and transfer it over to a trenta when finishing the drink yeah?
not that i wanna give customers *more* ways to modify drinks but this seems like kind of a silly place to draw the line
moon_light5238 points8m ago
no dome lid for it lol if there’s extra there would be no room for whip
seacookie897 points8m ago
What a nutcase. I wonder if people like this ever stop and realize what the hell they're doing.
gingergal-n-dog5 points8m ago
I had a customer yesterday order a grande hot latte in a venti cup with extra milk. I explained I could not do this, as the amount of milk is standard per size. Then he tried to pivot to a grande iced latte in a venti cup with extra milk. They declared they'd been ordering this way for over 12 years. I explained again and finally asked an ssv to please take over. It was near the end of my shift and I was not able to keep explaining they were asking for a venti and that adding milk is the difference between a grande and venti sized hot drink.
Please quit babying the customers. When they travel to other stores they act entitled, hold up the line, and cause frustration for everyone including themselves.
lilly260_ [OP]2 points8m ago
yes in the long run it makes it harder on other people to give them something that goes against standards
nicolelynnejones4 points8m ago
Get the shots on the side and pour it over as you drink omg
orsonvulture4 points8m ago
nah, if she wants to scream and cuss she can get banned. the few dollars she brings in every week isn't worth anyone being verbally abused especially over standards being properly enforced.
dekuflowers4 points8m ago
Our dm tells us to put fraps in trenta cups regardless of standard because he’s buddies with a rude customer who demands a trenta frap anytime he comes.
Longjumping_Future633 points8m ago
Frap + shots people... theyre a special breed...
LaurabelleBabe3 points8m ago
It’s OK somebody cussed out one of my shift leads the other day because we told them that six shots and four pumps of frapp roast will make a Frappuccino very very watery.. they told us that we should just make a double batch and give it to her in 2 cups… when the shift said no, the customer literally sped off and jumped a curb.
lilly260_ [OP]5 points8m ago
it’s always the people that order the fraps who act out like that😭
vegan-trash3 points8m ago
I have a customer that gets a venti caramel ribbon crunch with 7 espresso shots and asks for it in 2 venti cups. I have given her pushback but none of my other SSVs hold to standard so it’s a losing battle for me
Ace_Hardwear2 points8m ago
for anyone looking for the reason of why we cant, here is why from my point and why i wont budge at this. Starbucks customers can be very entitled, if i were to give a kid a free drink just because he asked for it and to "make the moment right" everyone else would insist on a free drink as well, therefore getting me and my co workers in trouble for using the right now recovery button. that being said, its my job to keep standards and consistency so customers cant say "the other store did it for me" and proceed to throw a hissy fit it in my face. because at the end of the day one of us will end up getting yelled at by our manager on how we are breaking starbucks standards, thats where i come from at least, im looking out for myself and my co workers to keep our store at a healthy flowing pace with 2 baristas on the floor at a 7pm rush of about 25~30 cars plus cafe 🫠
defendtrevornoah2 points8m ago
I have a customer who does a venti 5 shot caramel frap extra ice ex caramel driz light whipped ex crunch topping in a trenta with the extra residual drink in the blender on the side. We have made this drink for her to the word because of a situation where she called corporate and we got crap for it multiple years ago.
I chose to pick my battle on that one and just accept that it’s a rather absurd reality of what I’m doing here..
lilly260_ [OP]1 points8m ago
that sounds like a nightmare
I_love_stapler2 points8m ago
I mean really think about it? Who cares? The customer isn't 'pulling a fast one and getting anything extra. They just want the frap and the 3 extra shots that will add to the volume of the drink. I never understood that hill to die on. I haven't worked at SB for a while but we always had a plastic measuring cup with all the standards on it, I would personally just use that to make the venti frap to standard and then toss the 3 extra shots in.
BorderlineWire2 points8m ago
We don’t have Trenta cups here, how come they’re banned for certain drinks? Is it some sort of health thing? They seem like a hassle
sunflowercupcakee4 points8m ago
Starbucks originally said in good conscience they couldn’t sell Frappuccino and other drinks that large cause the fat/calorie content would be too high
marisan1163 points8m ago
Now that’s just laughable lmao
sunflowercupcakee7 points8m ago
When trenta size first came out, there was no foams or crazy Frappuccinos that I recall. Like the wildest Frappuccino I made was a vanilla bean with raspberry. Working at Starbucks ten/fifteen years ago was completely different than the present
BorderlineWire2 points8m ago
That makes sense, and sorry for all the questions. What can be sold in a trenta?
30oz is a lot of Frappuccino, I don’t know how people can put that much of it inside themselves and still feel fine after. It also seems like a lot for any milky drinks
Craftyallthetime1 points8m ago
They haven’t seen some of the combos that customers have come up and failed to educate parents on the amount of caffeine in refreshers.
black-cat1041 points8m ago
I just recently transferred to a new store with brand new baristas that were not trained that we don’t put espresso/fraps/other drinks in trenta cups. I have been yelled at multiple times for upholding this standard and even have had two reviews written about me INCLUDING MY NAME just because I wouldn’t do it for them. And I thought my store manager would have my back on this but she hasn’t and it’s just made me look like 1) the bad guy and 2)like I don’t know what I’m talking about. It’s incredibly frustrating.
jakhei1 points8m ago
can i ask why we can’t serve them in a trenta?
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Malachite_Migranes-9 points8m ago
Why’s it so difficult to put it in a bigger cup? Y’all making the customer mad for no reason. It’s not like you’re ringing up a Trenta frapp. It’s a venti frapp. Just got more room on top so it don’t spill. 🤷 why give a crap if Starbucks says “you’re not supposed to”. You’re also supposed to go above and beyond for the customer…
sunflowercupcakee8 points8m ago
I did go above and beyond for my customers that deserved it, but customers like this you going to get back the same energy you give. There are standards for a reason.
Malachite_Migranes-2 points8m ago
I’m not saying you don’t go above and beyond for other customers. I’m just saying the whole situation would’ve been avoided if people didn’t put so much importance and “standards” that have no good reason
sunflowercupcakee4 points8m ago
The whole situation could have been avoided if the customer didn’t act an ass. Who are you to say what standards have good reason or not? It is a uniform standard and when people deviate from the standard that causes trouble for as the person listed above. I was with Starbucks for a very long time and I have seen people get in trouble for deviating from standards even if it was in the name of making the moment right.
Malachite_Migranes-8 points8m ago
Omg you all sound like robots. This is exactly why I quit Starbucks. Where is the “inspiring the human spirit” in rules rules rules.
Responsible_Snow71093 points8m ago
The whole situation wouldn't have been avoided though if they just put it in a Trenta cup. That's the actual reason why the customer is getting mad because people keep doing it and it's causing inconsistencies when that customer goes to other Starbucks stores. We can't pick and choose which standards we want to go by. We applied to this job so in order to not lose it or risk losing it and the health insurance which I need, I will not do that for a customer. And customers that cry and whine and scream only do it because they want the store to just give them whatever they're crying about. I just don't want to encourage that type of behavior because then when they go to another Starbucks store and that Starbucks store tries to follow policy and keep it consistent all around, then that customer knows that all they have to do is Scream and verbally assault somebody in order to get their way
Malachite_Migranes-1 points8m ago
Who is gonna fire you over a cup size? We are employees not robots. Don’t throw common sense out the window just people someone at the top said it’s standard.
It’s impossible for there to not be variations from store to store. There will ALWAYS be inconsistencies as long as the workers are humans. That’s just life.
Also I would never give in over a tantrum. I’m saying before that.
zenrchy-2 points8m ago
I think the woman shouldn’t have reacted that way, but to be honest I don’t see the harm in giving her the larger cup since she’s paying for extra shots. I mean, if she brought in a reusable cup that was the size of the trenta you would most likely fill it up instead of dumping out the rest wouldn’t you?
I would just like to add that in no way am I judging you guys for following the rules. I’m more so confused in Starbucks’s policy, especially since they want us to make the moment right.
All I’m saying is, why do we care about Starbucks saving money if it means we get yelled at? If someone asks politely I think we should just give it to them. Now if they are yelling and cussing then they can leave without getting anything.
Responsible_Snow71094 points8m ago
Its literally not about the money tho. Its about keeping it consistent at all stores so customers' expectations stay the same to whatever store they go to. If people just started doing that and putting Frappuccinos in Trenta cups, then customers are not going to realize that there's a rule that we can't do that and then they're going to go to other stores expecting that it's just supposed to happen
zenrchy4 points8m ago
I get that. I always tell people that whatever courtesy I’m doing for them they can’t expect it at other places or from other baristas. I tell them I’ll do it for them but just so they know we’re not supposed to so next time you might not be able to get it that way.
Malachite_Migranes2 points8m ago
Please help me. This is exactly what I’m trying to say and it’s all going to shit in my comment thread.
Malachite_Migranes0 points8m ago
🙌
lilly260_ [OP]1 points8m ago
yeah I think that is why we didn’t question it at first, because extra room is justified due to the shots but I guess we aren’t allowed to serve it that way. I agree it is confusing.
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