Ey yo my fellow baristas. I need a question answered. When you are out of frap roast and a customer substitute espresso shots. Do you charge them or no?(self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by KidKonundrum
DustbinFunkbndr360 points8m ago
If it’s due to a store stock issues then no. If it’s for their preference when the frap roast is available, yes.
KidKonundrum [OP]83 points8m ago
It is most definitely stock issues. We haven’t received our RP order for two weeks. And I don’t think our daily has been showing either. Our regular SM is stepping out for vacation, but the acting manager told us to charge for the extra shots even though we don’t have frap roast. Just wanted to double check in the standard there cause we had quite a few…unhappy customers.
DustbinFunkbndr51 points8m ago
I think it’s still the standard to charge them tbh. I just wouldn’t and I’m pretty sure all baristas at my store feel the same. We would just be super apologetic if our SM or DM happened to be in the building. It isn’t the customers fault so I want to do right by them, especially the few good ones
KidKonundrum [OP]26 points8m ago
Pretty much what we’ve been doing. Just dumb AF that they are charging extra when there is less in the drink.
gabby246811 points8m ago
I mean yeah they could just get something else. If it was a mobile order I would do the shots and I wouldn’t like ring up a shot of espresso and make them pay but yeah I would just offer something else and then say we can add a shot if they really want but it’s gonna be an up charge :/ Mainly just for consistency between stores.
Foster_theplayer43 points8m ago
This is incorrect. It’s a little known policy in the BRM that you can substitute espresso for the frap roast at no charge. There is no way to ring this up, oddly enough though - so I usually just do an ask me. The standard for the amount of shots is as if it were an iced latte: 1, 2, 3!
aee7811 points8m ago
The BRM is for Decaf, it does not mention blonde or regular espresso. My SM has use charge for a cream frappe add espresso if they want the other two.
Foster_theplayer14 points8m ago
I’m not at work, so I can’t verify if this is true and has changed, but that is actually the main reason regular espresso shots work as well - some thought it was unfair that decaf drinkers could have espresso for free and caffeinated drinkers couldn’t. But, things could have changed when the BRM simplified, idk 🤷♂️ Source - 6 year shift that used to be a standard strictler who read way too much documentation.
aee78-4 points8m ago
You don't have to be at work to sign into BMR, just sign into partner hub. Literally states twice to use decaf espresso for the Decaf Frappuccino and doesn't mention blonde or regular. Life isn't fair and there's a source of caffeine built in to the standard. Source- 3 year shift, plus 5 year Tarbucks team lead and is a standard stickler.
DustbinFunkbndr1 points8m ago
Fantastic news!
JackyHighlightVideos2 points8m ago
Exactly what I was about to say! Although I usually tried to offer them cream based fraps when we had no FR, but I’d use espresso shots if they turned it down.
(I use past tense because I don’t work at a SB right now. I’m gonna be returning in the summer tho. I’m just off at college lol)
AnthraxGirl28 points8m ago
I wouldn’t charge, but cold brew works better as a frap roast sub
darkwolf52311 points8m ago
I made a caramel frap with cold brew to try it. It taste like McDonald’s frappe, ngl
Amazona8614 points8m ago
If they are nice to me than no. If they are impatient or self absorbed than yes.
interyx14 points8m ago
I think this is one of those things that might have changed over the years, but it used to be policy that we could sub shots for frap roast at no charge. I had an old school manager with a 6-digit partner number that always said that was standard, and I think I've seen it in the beverage resource manual, though that document has been updated and it might have been changed.
Thing is, we don't have a way to properly ring it in. Best you can do is hit Ask Me and write "sub shots" but that wouldn't capture inventory correctly.
I would probably make the frappuccinos with cold brew instead personally if we were out of frap roast. It still wouldn't capture the inventory correctly but at least the cold brew is already cold and won't melt the ice like hot shots would.
Specialist_Salt_50710 points8m ago
If the problem is that not charging doesn’t account for the espresso usage in inventory, maybe you could add the espresso shots on the pos and then remove the price via discount before they pay.
rajeno9 points8m ago
Is Sbux’s inventory management really that fine-grained? At my licensed store, we count espresso beans by the nearest quarter of a 5-lb bag, once a month. There’s no way that we could detect a few shots “going missing”. Also, what about remakes, do those have to be rung into the register to keep stock counts accurate for y’all??
sheep_heavenly7 points8m ago
The reason we even do inventory counts is to keep the count accurate. It's not uncommon to be "missing" a bag or two each time. If you run two calibration cycles in a week that's 2.16 kg of conbined coffee alone. A 5lb bag is 2.26kg, so there's one bag already gone that week.
3 shots don't go missing in that. That's just expected waste.
SamusCroft0 points8m ago
Wait. Do all stores not do calibrations on every machine daily? Mine calibrates both our machines every single morning at open
sheep_heavenly3 points8m ago
Lol no. Manual calibration check yes, not the full 90 shot calibration.
It's on the iPad under store maintenance.
899thKorok6 points8m ago
Yeah I think you’re right, we go through so many shots from calibrating the espresso machines, re-pulling shots if they’ve sat for too long or if they pulled wrong, remakes, etc. and none of those have to be rung up through POS. I’m pretty sure the system automatically accounts for a certain amount of wasted inventory, it’s definitely not that precise
bryceofswadia-1 points8m ago
I would have just added them and then voided the shots before charging them. That way it’s on the sticker and avoids confusion with the bar partners.
darkness_snores8 points8m ago
when we are out of frap roast i just tell the customer, hey bro/sis we are out of frap roast today are you ok if i substitute it with an espresso shot, no charge. would you like it to be decaf or jus normal espresso. usually its great for a heads up that their drink is gonna taste slightly different
idonthinksoannie7 points8m ago
It's a sub not an addition so of course you don't charge them. Why does everyone act like what we give customers comes out of their pocket? And for anyone concerned about inventory, you are wildly overestimating the sophistication of our systems. This sub happens maybe once a week but even if it happened a few times a day the shots wouldn't equal the amount of shots consumed by partners that aren't rung into the register, the amount of shots that fall into the tray in the morning to warm up the machine, or the beans that get vacuumed out to clean the machine. None of which are accounted for. Y'all stingy af. Not all standards are written down. You have to use your best judgement from time to time. Sincerely, a 112 SM 💚
earthtograce6 points8m ago
Brew a double strong batch of Italian and chill it, that’s the sub for frap roast.
aGrapeInUtero3 points8m ago
We’ve been using those instant coffee packs that Starbucks sells, I forget what they’re called. No one buys them ever like literally maybe one time I’ve heard someone ask for them at this store (drive through only and coming up on a year since it opened). I realize this isn’t standard, but they’re pretty dang similar. They’re both instant coffees. 🤷🏼♀️😂 our store manager is fine with it
Edit: I think they’re called VIA. We use two whole packages in 2 liters of water. It’s a witch 🧙♀️ to open all the little packets inside but it works.
plato_pus2 points8m ago
Can confirm that these smell like frap roast when they’re concentrated. Could never bring myself to taste it
Gigameki1 points8m ago
I had tried them a while back when my coffee maker broke, they taste like I imagine drinking straight frap roast would taste like. Absolutely horrid.
omsphoenix3 points8m ago
No I wouldn't charge
grrygods2 points8m ago
Nope. I never do unless I have everything I need and they ask for it
plato_pus2 points8m ago
It’s not the customer’s fault that the store is out of frap roast. It’s better to take care of it and give the customer the best experience you despite stock outages. To the comments that are concerned with how it’s communicated on the sticker, technically even adding the shots is meant to be in addition to the frap roast, so to be correct you would need an ask me saying no frap roast. But I’m sure the bar partners at your store know about the outage, so without any modifiers they already know what they should be doing to substitute the frap roast. At the POS, your job is to communicate the substitution to the customer
It’s crazy that y’all are out of frap roast tho. Over here right now it’s brown sugar syrup
mama_bibi2 points8m ago
Who taught you to spell ayo like that
[deleted]2 points8m ago
As long as they're not rude idgaf lol. Starbucks can take the financial hit they'll be fine
Snarfungus2 points8m ago
what i typically do if we’re busy is offer to make it with iced coffee or cold brew, and then i just type it in ask me. just so the poor bar baristas don’t have to pull shots for fraps haha
graylikesoap2 points8m ago
not if there’s a choice but if we’re out then what else am i supposed to do🥲
icanseeyourenuts2 points8m ago
Naw
poopylilbutt1 points8m ago
You would not charge. Just as you don’t charge for decaf espresso if someone requests a coffee based Frappuccino as “decaf.”
Velvet35351 points8m ago
No
Shellbean001 points8m ago
The way I think about these situations is.. if you go to a restaurant and order the salmon and they say they’re out. So then you decide to order the lobster. You’re paying for price of the lobster. They’re not going to discount the lobster to be salmon price because they’re out. It’s just not an option 🤷♀️
MiaLedger1 points8m ago
Technically I think you're supposed to but I'd avoid it because it's not their fault.
bryceofswadia1 points8m ago
If you are subbing because you are out of frap roast, then no you should not charge them.
grrygods0 points8m ago
Also little hack. If your ever out of frap roast you can take 1-2 shots of espresso depending on the size and like 3 extra syrup pumps and you have a Frappuccino
Formal-Ad28630 points8m ago
don’t charge for one and after that yes charge
irishdancer890 points8m ago
I just did a “refresh” training at my store and was told the standard is no charge if someone is subbing espresso instead of frap roast
geekgurl811 points8m ago
But can you ring it up properly without it charging in the POS? Under normal circumstances of course, not when out of frap roast
irishdancer891 points8m ago
Truthfully I haven’t had an instance where I’ve had to attempt to do that yet 😬
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