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THE IMPOSSIBLE SANDWICH IS NOT VEGAN. (self.starbucksbaristas)
submitted by HypnoticPeaches
IT CANNOT BE MADE VEGAN. I want to scream this from the rooftops. I feel bad for the poor customers ordering it with no egg, no cheese. I’m the only person in my store that informs people that the bread is not vegan so if that’s what they’re going for, the sandwich is not for them.

I’ve had too many distraught customers not knowing that the bread is not vegan friendly. I feel so bad for them. On the one hand, yes, this information is readily available with ingredients on the app, and yes, people have a responsibility to know what they’re eating, but the issue remains.

That’s it, that’s the post.
jams1015 446 points 7m ago
Honestly, if you're just getting the cheese and egg peeled off, you're not eating vegan. Not only did you eat animal products, but you wasted them, too. Just tossed them in the trash. That's worse than eating them!

I know people are trying and I know we don't have a lot of options, but that's why there are grocery stores.
insertusernameplease 97 points 7m ago
You’re 100% right but some vegans do it for other reasons than ethical reasons and might not care about that
HypnoticPeaches [OP] 71 points 7m ago
I mean, I agree with you, but it’s not my place at work to tell people they’re attempting veganism incorrectly. But the plausible deniability angle they take does amuse me 😅
jams1015 11 points 7m ago
Same. It's just so weird, lol.
HypnoticPeaches [OP] 55 points 7m ago
I will say though, all of the meat and cheese and eggs that get thrown out daily in our stores… why isn’t PETA protesting that instead of *gasp* upcharging for alt milks that the stores have to pay more for?
jams1015 30 points 7m ago
Let's superglue ourselves to the hand-off plane! That'll solve everything.
BitchyNordicBarista 16 points 7m ago
To be fair, maybe not all stores throw them in the trash? I had a few side eggs and cheese in my time as a barista because I did not want to throw them out and it was a courtesy we all enjoyed. Asking if anyone wanted to eat those items before they were trashed
Responsible_Snow7109 15 points 7m ago
Yes! Interesting u brought this up because at my store, any unwanted food or mistake foods is saved and put aside for one of my coworkers because she has chickens that she feeds the unwanted food to. She has the chickens for their eggs and such because shes trying to be more self sustainable 🙂
BitchyNordicBarista 5 points 7m ago
That’s so awesome!! I bet the chickens love it
Responsible_Snow7109 5 points 7m ago
Yes haha im glad its being used for food for those cute chickens 🥰. Whenever i have english muffins or other bread thats a few days to a week old, ill take that and give that to her as well for her chickens
weirdpodcastaunt 2 points 7m ago
That’s still vegan, just wasteful. And fwiw, some of us, like I’m a barista at Bux, our food items suck, so sometimes it’s a must, to mark out one, and buy a bagel w a discount, and make it work.

People get stuck eating on the road/on the go all the time, and have to make do.
heyitsme963 11 points 7m ago
It’s only vegan if you’re only eating the Impossible patty. The bread has eggs.
NothingToSeeFolks 7 points 7m ago
And butter!
heyitsme963 3 points 7m ago
Yep
weirdpodcastaunt 1 points 7m ago
Yup.
I’m referring to the ordering just the patty, and people saying it’s not vegan.
Tl;dr people aren’t perfect, and sometimes a last resort is better than not eating. Everything bagel + impossible patty & avocado spread works in a pinch
heyitsme963 4 points 7m ago
Oh, totally. Food markouts are part of our compensation so why not use them in whatever way you want to?

The impossible patty is vegan, but I know some people don’t consider it vegan because of the animal testing. That’s not something I tell customers, though, because I assume if they cared enough about that to not eat it, they’d have researched it on their own and people can be vegan for different reasons and in different ways.

The bread having eggs and butter is something I’m more tempted to say something to them about because they may have just made an assumption that the bread is vegan.
kmoonster 3 points 7m ago
The patty is free of animal-based ingredients. It is not vegan, at least by the definition of people who are vegan on grounds of animal husbandry being wrong.

Vegan requires animals not be involved in any way, it is NOT enough to exclude animal products as an ingredient.

This might not matter to you or me, but it is a thing that a lot of people will get worked up about depending on their motivation for being vegan. (edit: the people who care about this part will usually know this so it's not something you necessarily have to explain at the drive thru unless they ask)
claretamazon 100 points 7m ago
Even if you take the egg and cheese off there is still residue or small pieces left behind, so even the patty isn't vegan at that point.
HypnoticPeaches [OP] 70 points 7m ago
Part of the problem I think is that, even though they can LITERALLY see us at the ovens in our store, they seem to think we build all sandwiches from scratch like they do at DD. The amount of times I’ve been asked to swap breads etc… “yeah, I can put your sausage on a croissant bun, but you’ll also have to pay for the double smoked, is that okay?” lmao.
Renyx 13 points 7m ago
The patty already isn't considered vegan to some because when originally creating it, the new protein they created had to go through animal testing to be proven safe for human consumption.
QuicksandGotMyShoe 14 points 7m ago
Yeah... But that's nuts haha. That's like Catholics that won't get vaccinated
whats_a_puscifer 32 points 7m ago
As a vegetarian who is about to start Veganuary soon, thank you for this. I haven't tried that sandwich yet, but now I know to avoid it.
potatopoisoning 16 points 7m ago
It IS vegetarian I believe. Just not vegan. There isn’t meat in it, but the egg, bread, and cheese all contain dairy products so not vegan 🙁
Elleven_ 3 points 7m ago
also the bread and egg contain egg
Meggilli91 21 points 7m ago
I don’t get why so many fast food places are doing beyond meat and impossible sandwiches but not making them fully vegan! Like wtf just commit!!!
dazedinreverse 23 points 7m ago
Vegetarianism is more popular than vaganism and cheaper for fast food places to supply.
saltandseasmoke 10 points 7m ago
These products aren't really aimed at vegans or even vegetarians - these companies got their initial investment on the premise that plant based meat could be main streamed as a meat alternative to reduce meat intake for the general public / flexitarians and that meat eaters would eat them too. Plenty of vegans and vegetarians certainly enjoy them, but there's an idea that they're supposed to have broader appeal.
rudebii 8 points 7m ago
Because the market of actual plant-based/vegans is really small (about 4% of the US IIRC).

Most people buying things like impossible or beyond are “flexitarians.”
vkapadia 4 points 7m ago
Perfect for me lol. I don't eat meat but I do eat dairy and eggs.

What I really hate are things like the egg bites that only just the egg whites.
Water-is-h2o 2 points 7m ago
“Perfect is the enemy of good”
kmoonster 1 points 7m ago
Because there is more to making something vegan than removing animal-related ingredients is why.

"No animal ingredients" is fairly straightforward. "Vegan" not so much, adhering to the stricter definitions requires an entire set of dedicated equipment or fully breaking down and cleaning equipment between non-vegan and vegan items, and not just at the restaurant but all the way up the supply chain.

edit: the goal of food service introducing things like Impossible are to offer options to people looking to reduce their meat intake for either health (eg. heart attack) or environmental impact (eg. beef), not vegans which is a very different thing.
jakobtheliar 1 points 7m ago
I was past of the food test last year wands we had a vegan sandwich for two months that made customers more upset when the trial ended.
LadyLucifer 18 points 7m ago
I found this out the hard way after being forced to cut out all dairy and soy out of my diet - *hardly anything* there (except maybe the fruit plate) is dairy and/or soy free. I realize that's different from Vegan but It was kinda a shock to see the limited options.
TheOnesLeftBehind 3 points 7m ago
I’m in a sorta similar boat. I have to follow FODMAP, I can eat the potato bacon wrap and dream bars. That’s all, everything else makes me violent ill
kmoonster 11 points 7m ago
AND Impossible (the patty) is not vegan if your motivation for the diet is treatment of animals, because testing it apparently involved trying it on rats in a lab setting. \[edit: and it is warmed in an oven that also warms meat & animal product -- two counts\]

It would be fine if you have a mild dairy allergy or something, but if your motivation is ethical and/or you are really strict...no.
oscillating391 4 points 7m ago
They also were at a food expo a few years back and sold burgers with dairy on them without telling people.
kmoonster 4 points 7m ago
That I didn't know! As long as it's listed on the ingredients that's fine, but deceptive practices in food service can injure.
heyitsme963 10 points 7m ago
I’ve had customers get mad at me for telling them the bread isn’t vegan so I gave up. If you care that much about not eating animal products, wouldn’t you be happy that I told you before you ate it?
cinnamonmarigold 10 points 7m ago
Thank you. The amount of people who have tried to correct me on this 🤦🏻‍♀️ Like, hi, customer, sweetie. I can read the labels back here 😂
59625962 9 points 7m ago
If vegans cared enough they'd look at the ingredients and make sure themselves. Not shedding any tears
strangebeansgirl 7 points 7m ago
I cant believe there are people who are paying over $6 for a sandwich with just the Impossible meat and nothing else ….
brattiebun 5 points 7m ago
When I was working at bux, I was the only vegan partner which meant it was my job to inform these people. Even if they didn’t ask about the bun, I would ask them if they were vegan and if they said yes, I would let them know. One lady would come in at least once a week asking for the impossible patty on a bagel, and she actually didn’t mind paying for both. She was really easy to deal with but I’m like damn, that’s an expensive bagel sandwich.
Apprehensive-You5261 2 points 7m ago
What really amazes me is that they can have a impossible patty but not ONE gluten free option. I have celiac and can’t eat anything there. Like most places offer a gluten free sandwich or even just a bagel or something they could have id appreciate. I know they have egg bites but I don’t digest proteins that well and most times would prefer some bread or something. Idk it just pisses me off.
HypnoticPeaches [OP] 1 points 7m ago
You could make a sandwich between two marshmallow cream bars /s
LifeIs_Ugh 2 points 7m ago
When I have people ask about anything vegan, i always say I wouldn’t get anything from the bucks bc it’s not a vegan company. I understand being vegan is more than just what you ingest. I always try to say something along the lines of “ honestly, nothing we really carry is vegan because of the way, the company conducts business. But we do have some plant-based alternatives.”
kileyisrad 2 points 7m ago
I was just thinking about posting this loll
Odd-Ad-78 1 points 7m ago
If im asked for any vegan or gluten products I hit then with the “Unfortunately Starbucks is unable to guarantee any dietary restrictions such as those, and suggests consuming at your own risk”
Winter_Birthday_6761 1 points 7m ago
The sandwich is vegetarian not vegan.
quickthinxallthots 1 points 7m ago
i feel bad but i don't inform customers anymore because i get so many getting mad at me for assuming they were vegan
TheOnesLeftBehind 1 points 7m ago
I tell people this all the time. My old store manager told me to stop disclosing this! She said it wasn’t my responsibility to, but I very much feel it is as someone serving them their food.
floofxs2 1 points 7m ago
I followed a vegan diet for 10 years if they don’t know that the bread might not be vegan that’s kinda lame. It has never been advertised as vegan and when you follow a plant based diet it’s (or should be) common knowledge that bread is something you need to check. I don’t see it as an issue any different than what is typical with following a restrictive diet. People shouldn’t need their hand held for stuff like that.
Creative-Clothes-520 1 points 7m ago
That’s why I never make promises about what’s in it
drewdrop26 1 points 7m ago
Yes, I always clarify if I see customers ordering like this that it’s not vegan, if that’s their intent, because of the egg in the bun
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Torirock10 1 points 7m ago
what is in the bread that makes it not vegan?
HypnoticPeaches [OP] 13 points 7m ago
Butter and eggs. https://imgur.com/a/5M6ungZ
Torirock10 2 points 7m ago
thank u
Torirock10 -1 points 7m ago
i guess we can start giving them just the patty and nothing else
kmoonster 2 points 7m ago
The patty isn't vegan either, it is only free of animal ingredients
BitchyNordicBarista 2 points 7m ago
I’m not well versed in veganism, how is the patty not vegan?
kmoonster 5 points 7m ago
Vegan has a bit of internal drama in the movement, but for most people who tell you they are vegan are doing it for reasons related to animas being understood as sentient, and taking a sentient life when you have the option not to is seen as amoral - especially for personal reasons.

Impossible developed their items by testing them on rats in a lab, then euthanizing & dissecting the rats to look for signs of negative impacts of the food. This makes it not vegan by the above standard.

There are also quite a few people who consider a vegan item to lose its status if it is prepared on shared food prep surfaces like a grill or cutting board. And since the ovens in the store are used to warm *any* warmable item...you get the idea. This is similar to the way an organic item can no longer be labeled as such if it goes through a shared equipment without the equipment being fully cleaned & sanitized (eg. a food packager will process organic apples BEFORE non-organic apples and not the other way aroud for this reason, then they only have to clean the machine on the normal cycle rather than interrupting the process for a cleaning routine).

Other people may eat an animal-free diet for reasons of allergy or sensitivity, taste/texture, or for environmental reasons, religious reasons, because someone in their household is, or some combination of any of these. Everyone has different reasons and limits, which is what makes it so involved when someone asks if we can make something 'vegan'.

We can remove some ingredients (eg. if there is an allergy) but we can't just "make it vegan" if we don't know what their definition is so you have to explain the whole thing -- the buns have egg & dairy, prepared on a shared surface, and they come packaged with egg & cheese (rather than us assembling the ingredients on request). That way the person has whatever part of that information they need to make their decision.

On a last note -- I would NOT worry about telling them about the rats as that will open a rabbit warren you don't have time to deal with in the drive through. Anyone who is Vegan with a capital V (see # 1) will already know that, it was a HUGE deal when Impossible first came out and the personalities who go so far as to say "I'm vegan, can you..." are the sort who do their homework, they know or will find out other ways. People with other motivations (eg they don't like the texture) will usually simply say "can you do X without the cheese?", and if they order something like a mocha you can say "yes, by the way the bun on that sandwich has egg & dairy in it, and that soy mocha has whip by default - are those ok?" and they will say yes or no and you leave it at that.
kmoonster 2 points 7m ago
To add to my other comment, it might be easier to think of this as two separate things, though the diet is more or less the same

* Vegan - related to being against animal husbandry. When drama pops up in the news or goes viral, it is usually related to this vector & some true believers (and not simply practicers or casual adherents) tangled up in the No True Scotsman Fallacy

* Non-animal diet - for a variety of reasons, and may not be opposed to keeping & using animals
Torirock10 1 points 7m ago
i didn’t know that :0
kmoonster 2 points 7m ago
Yes, by strict definition it is not due to having been tested on animals, and for sharing prep surfaces (and being packaged with) non-vegan ingredients.

For some people it's taste or texture, or they are just trying to cut back on beef or something. Most of the time they are fine with this.

For others, anything that has anything to do with animals at any point in production is a nonstarter. They are typically not ok with one or both of these. And you have no good way of knowing why they are asking (though sometimes you can guess).

Just let them know it is comes packaged WITH the egg & cheese, which you can remove -- sometimes they think we assemble the ingredients a la carte. This one addresses both the allergy and the "it's touched animal!" elements in one statement, then you don't have to bring up all the other possible conflicts unless the customer mentions them, answers their questions and saves you a ton of time in one easy exchange.
weirdpodcastaunt 0 points 7m ago
Agreed, I hate it.
I always pick and choose who I tell this too at window, based on the rest of their order, and the mods.🙃
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