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Young people in Guangzhou commute in electric wheelchairs as e-bikes face tighter rules (straitstimes.com)
submitted 1d ago by Gazwa_e_Nunnu_Chamdi
QueenOfGehenna45 1725 points 1d ago
What in the Wall-E is going on 😳
Ug1yLurker 243 points 1d ago
Give me the plant
imthe1nonlyD 53 points 1d ago
Damn it, Auto!
blacksideblue 19 points 1d ago
I'm going to get Manny!
babysharkdoodoodoo 14 points 1d ago
Rouge Robots 🚨
gomtuu123 7 points 23h ago
Huh! I always thought the autopilot's name was Otto (a pun on "auto").
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Graywulff 6 points 21h ago
China insider on YouTube said they are confiscating e-bikes and it looks like mopeds too. They require registration and a license for both. Also it seems like they’re short on revenue and feel like the Chinese automotive industry is in peril as many are choosing e-bikes.

E-bikes and electric mopeds make up the number #2 mode of transportation according to the video.
4gotAboutDre 52 points 1d ago
Came here to see how many comments down the Wall-E reference would be and I was not disappointed!!
rickyhatespeas 18 points 1d ago
I came here to see how many comments down a "I came here for Wall E" comment would be. Anyways, here we are
rufud 7 points 1d ago
came here to see how many comments down a "I came here to see how many comments down a ‘I came here for Wall E’ comment would be" comment would be. Never disappointed
ewlung 8 points 1d ago
Came here to never disappointed.
inappropriatename__ 18 points 1d ago
Modern problems require modern solutions.
blacksideblue 9 points 1d ago
Junior-Moment-1738 4 points 1d ago
Literally my first thought scrolling by
fuzzum111 9 points 19h ago
China is having issues with the auto industry, and instead of, ya know, doing anything sensible they continue to crack down on a cheap, eco-friendly methods of transport as a means of creating avenues for confiscation of those tools.
lord_pizzabird -2 points 23h ago
They call it “little emperor” syndrome.
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ResIpsa312 244 points 1d ago
Do they ride it into the office? Like, with the e-bike you can lock it up at your building or outside I guess, but where do you store these during the day? Lol imagine going to lock your bike up and it’s all taken by electric wheelchairs.
Spazmer 214 points 1d ago
Maybe it doubles as their office chair.
Aleashed 50 points 1d ago
If you dig a hole ahead of time, it also works as a very rudimentary toilet. Then if you add a Fedex truck mod, they slide straight onto the sidewalk.
Philo_T_Farnsworth 9 points 23h ago
It’s only rudimentary until you put a proper commode on there.
CanAlwaysBeBetter 4 points 23h ago
Add a fire hydrant - bidet connector
Bowl_Pool 1 points 23h ago
There's no proper way to do that, in this case
disciple_of_pallando 4 points 19h ago
From what I hear they're quite comfortable and are designed to be used in that way. TBH they're probably more comfortable to sit in for long periods than office chairs since they're intended for people who can't ever get up.
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Rustlin_Jimmie -8 points 1d ago
Office chair? In a slave factory?
ididntseeitcoming 36 points 1d ago
I’d roll that bad boy right up to my desk.
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VanDieDorp 25 points 1d ago
The source i watched mentioned that some of the e-chairs is better then gaming chairs, some can even recline and be used to sleep.

Also because most of these e-chairs are actually for disabled people it can go anywhere a normal wheelchair can go.

But it seemed a bit gimmicky to me, and more used as a way to "protest" where protesting is not allowed.
rocktop 15 points 23h ago
Yes! From the article -

>The electric wheelchair “saves effort and is flexible, and you can ‘drive’ directly to your destination without having to find a parking space”
ResIpsa312 3 points 23h ago
But that doesn’t tell me *how* they’re parking it or where lol, thus my question. That doesn’t tell us much at all
crunch_time01 9 points 22h ago
Anywhere you go is handicap accessible, probably a bit less so than the US (been to other places but not guangzhou specifically). So I'm guessing you don't ever really need to leave it anywhere.
BullToTheMoon 2 points 15h ago
It’s a wheelchair. You would just ride it into your office. Decent wheelchairs can fold up very portably.
FlamingTrollz 0 points 11h ago
Office chair.

As others have noted.
CathedralEngine 176 points 1d ago
And here I am, using my legs like a sucker.
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Scared_of_zombies 403 points 1d ago
They see me rollin’, they hatin’!
Silly-Ass_Goose 55 points 1d ago
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
icky_boo 66 points 1d ago
Think I'm just too white 'n' nerdy
Think I'm just too white 'n' nerdy
Can't you see I'm white 'n' nerdy?
Look at me I'm white 'n' nerdy
grendus 24 points 1d ago
First in my class here at MIT

Got skills, I'm a champion at D&D

MC Escher that's my favorite MC

Keep your 40 oz rush, have an Earl Grey Tea
icky_boo 8 points 23h ago
My rims never spin to the contrary
You'll find that they're quite stationary
All of my action figures are cherry
Stephen Hawking's in my library
HumanAverse 4 points 1d ago
InappropriateTA -4 points 1d ago
They see me roaring’
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spiralbatross 28 points 1d ago
Why not just get a bicycle?
CHR0N0PTIC0N 39 points 1d ago
If it’s for commutes, it’s because the bike lanes are a clusterfuck of e-bikes and carts in China in the morning and evening, you want something with enough mass and power to keep up with the pack.
BrownEggs93 23 points 1d ago
> bike lanes are a clusterfuck of e-bikes

Sort of happening here in the US. A sedate speed is one thing, but e-bikes allow the idiots to be even worse.
Igoos99 12 points 23h ago
E-bikes are definitely complicating biking. They go faster and move in unpredictable ways compared to non-e-bikes.
jameson71 29 points 22h ago
non-e-bikes with spandex clad riders are still the fastest, most unpredictable things on any non-road path.
mrstubali 147 points 1d ago
Is there something wrong with the buses? Are they going more than 5km in the wheelchairs? They better modify them with better tires and batteries.
InfraredDiarrhea 118 points 1d ago
I see this happening the same way modifying an economy car with “performance parts” got popular in the US.

Spoilers, stickers, maybe a roll bar.

Lets all hope stanced wheelchairs and the carolina squat dont get popular.
big_duo3674 26 points 1d ago
Well yeah, everyone knows spoilers and racing stripes add at least 50 hp
Mogradal 14 points 1d ago
Flames add 100hp.
sweetbunsmcgee 10 points 1d ago
You can double that if you oil your brakes.
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DancesWithBadgers 3 points 1d ago
I should imagine that 'sleepers' would be one of the first things people try, as it's a bit morally/legally iffy to start with. The e-skate/scooter technology is already there, so it's just a case of buying the bits and bolting it together in the right order. 60+mph wheelchairs are very easily achievable if you have the money for parts.
essieecks 6 points 23h ago
One of the motors from the rear of a Tesla can fit under that seat. Not a ton of room for batteries, but that's a problem for future me.
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Geawiel 3 points 1d ago
I don't know, I'd kind of want to see a donk wheel chair.
RedSquirrelFtw 4 points 1d ago
Now I kinda want to see wheelchair drag racing.
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rp-Ubermensch 14 points 23h ago
In tier 1 and 2 cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou the public transportation is top notch.

The problem is these ebikes are so cheap and and useful that every single family has at least one, they're very convenient and cheap to use too
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Apprehensive_Ear7309 48 points 1d ago
Have you ever taken a bus? A bicycle is faster than a bus. Busses stop at just about every corner with people getting on and off. This takes a lot of time.
WayneKrane 17 points 1d ago
When I was in college I lived in an apartment 2 miles from campus. I tried taking the bus but it took 45 minutes to 1 hour to get to campus. It was faster to walk the 2 miles.
timok 35 points 1d ago
Have you taken a bus in a country with decent public transport? Like with separate bus lanes and stuff? Because they really aren't if implemented properly.
ZannX 15 points 1d ago
I have taken buses specifically in China. Bikes are much more popular for a reason.
Offduty_shill 7 points 22h ago
Public transport in cities like Shanghai is quite good/fast in my experience.

But during rush hour it is jam packed and I could see people wanting to avoid being sandwiched by stranger s
Gobeman1 18 points 1d ago
Living in EU here. All depends entirely on your schedule. My train is late by 5 mins so i miss a bus?
I can either walk 50-60mins the 5km walk to my destination from the bus station.
Or wait 40mins and then pay for the 10min trip.
Usually i'd arrive on foot before the bus.

But when your schedule is perfect? Oh boy theres nothing better.
blaghart 9 points 23h ago
>I can either walk the 50-60mins to my destination from the bus station. Or wait 40 mins

the UK isn't part of the EU anymore.

But seriously, one bus every 40 minutes isn't "decent public transport". Even the US has more regular buses than that.
Whooshless 2 points 1d ago
In those cases buses are faster than walking, but still slower than e-scooters. In fact, e-scooters and bikes and taxis all share the bus lane precisely because bikes and e-scooters are faster and the lanes are safer.
powercow 15 points 1d ago
do you ride buses? its not fun even on the best bus line, well in the US anyways. Bikes you dont have to deal with wide stancers, or crazy people, or the smell, or the 100 stops. Or having to go 5 blocks just to wait on the bus to take you somewhere 6 blocks from where you actually want to go.

most wheelchairs should go a lot more than 5km, you do know that people in chairs are generally in them all day.. and having to recharge multiple times a day wouldnt be a good thing, on average they go 20km, you can get some that go over 50km before needing a new charge.
nowake 24 points 1d ago
It's not fun riding buses in the US because they're held up in the same traffic jams they're meant to alleviate, and they're not funded to the point where there's a network both far-reaching and with reasonable headways.
cwestn 8 points 1d ago
Buses are stuck in traffic.
InfraredDiarrhea 6 points 1d ago
Now they’re stuck behind wheelchairs.
timok 11 points 1d ago
Only in countries with underfunded public transport.
Breakfast_on_Jupiter 2 points 23h ago
Not so much with dedicated and controlled bus lanes.

Controlled meaning there's cameras in some intersections, if you drive straight with a car instead of using the bus lane to turn right, you're getting fined.
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Demiansmark 20 points 1d ago
They have gas-powered wheelchairs in China?!

"The transportation department reportedly said that only motorised wheelchairs for the disabled – which use petrol as fuel – are bound by traffic regulations and require registration"
Fallingdamage 5 points 20h ago
so get a gas powered wheelchair and convert it to run on propane. no more petrol!
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Swizzy88 83 points 1d ago
So a speed restriction and dismounting for zebra crossing is enough to give up on ebikes? Seems a bit drastic.
Choice_Caramel3182 65 points 1d ago
I imagine if you rode 15 blocks to work, and each corner had a zebra crossing, that it would get pretty infuriating to dismount 15 times on your way to work, and 15 times back. Not saying it's right or wrong, but I could see how that would be frustrating.
USA_A-OK 5 points 23h ago
But is that required if you're riding on the road with traffic? I read that to mean, if you use a zebra crossing on a bike, you have to dismount and walk it, which seems sensible.
ferrrrrrral 6 points 1d ago
I'm surprised they don't ride on the street.

But I never been to China so I don't know how feasible it is due to the danger or lack of infrastructure.

I ride around everywhere and almost never cross any type of cross walk.
Sasselhoff 35 points 1d ago
I lived there for almost a decade, and outside of the larger cities where they actually follow the rules, they drive *everywhere,* on *everything*...sidewalks, roads, bike paths, etc. Traffic laws were just a suggestion and were never enforced (save for about twice a year, for like a week). Heck, they had to put up barriers in the middle of the roads to stop people from just pulling into oncoming traffic when the cars slow down in front of them.

Those ebikes were a real scourge too, because the people riding them would just drive right out into traffic and expect the cars to stop for them. But then again, so would pedestrians...first week of owning my motorcycle I nearly hit a woman who just walked into the road from between two parked trucks, carrying a baby too, without even *glancing* to see if there were any vehicles coming.
SplitPerspective -3 points 1d ago
Ah seems like nothing changes no matter where you are, pedestrians everywhere are like r/Iamthemaincharacter
shponglespore -5 points 1d ago
Does China just have hordes of suicidal people?
J0HN117 8 points 1d ago
China has better infrastructure than the US, unfortunately.

They have separate bike lanes but people ride wherever.
CocodaMonkey 11 points 1d ago
If the speed restriction is lower than what the wheel chair can do I can see it being annoying enough.

Dismounting at zebra crossings is very annoying regardless. Sure it sounds minor but imagine something similar for cars and people would go crazy. A rule like all cars most roll through intersections at no more than 5km. Or you must get out and walk around your car at every red light. It's a huge pain when you realize walking each zebra crossing means doubling your commute time in most cities.
KamikazeRusher 10 points 1d ago
Having driven around campus (in the US) during my college years, I’m fairly biased against the complaints for having to dismount. People on bikes would often switch between the bike lane at intersections and the crosswalk without slowing down so they could get past red lights. Those who stuck to the sidewalks wouldn’t slow down prior to crossing either. Imagine taking a left turn at dawn/dusk where everything is clear, but suddenly a bike emerges from behind a building/bushes and neither of you can stop in time. Any accidents are held at fault of the driver despite the people on bikes not following local laws (if any) to be below a certain speed limit.

Dismounting sounds annoying, and I get that. But if all fault is pushed onto drivers to cover accidents and bikes are fairly common, it discourages drivers from being anywhere near the area.

There’s probably a better way to compromise on how to handle this but I can see why it’s written this way.
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Pizzadude 4 points 1d ago
Power chairs top out around 6-7 MPH typically, so they aren't going to get past any speed restrictions with them.
Ok-Wasabi2873 2 points 1d ago
Also no modifications of any type including side mirrors. Some place require licenses to use ebikes.
Lollmfaowhatever -5 points 1d ago
It's China, the young people there are chaotic af
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CraftGoblin 11 points 1d ago
As a young-ish adult who needs an electric wheelchair for mobility issues, this is slightly infuriating
Igoos99 8 points 23h ago
Have you seen all the people on southwest line up in wheelchairs so they can take advantage of pre boarding for people in wheelchairs?? That seems more egregious than this. 🤷
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OniKanta 15 points 1d ago
🤣 is this the first phase of how the Wall-E universe begins. I mean they do have those computer chairs that do this too. 😂
FutureHyped 3 points 1d ago
Look at these clever rascals.
braxin23 4 points 23h ago
Wall-E is becoming a true story.
splagentjonson 4 points 23h ago
Life finds a way.
slashd 125 points 1d ago
$1

China Insights has a great YT video about this. Due to the 3 year Covid lockdowns all the local governments are broke (actually China is 50 trillion usd in debt so both the central and local governments dont have money). So they tasked the police to fine the ebikers to get some income.

But there are no rules for wheelchairs so the youth switched to that

Edit: Here is the source of the 50 trillion usd claim:

$1
Lollmfaowhatever 62 points 1d ago
bro didn't just source china insights as a legit source.
VanDieDorp -4 points 23h ago
i like china uncensored as well, but feel they are also biased.

Any alternative source for china news that is more factual?
Lollmfaowhatever 13 points 20h ago
China uncensored is literally funded by Falun Gong. Like a channel on america ran by a more malignant version of scientology.

On China because there is such a heavy amount of propaganda from both sides, like the U.S. literally $1 per quarter just in terms of public funding. I wouldn't trust the major news sources from either country to give an objective take on China. All those news headlines from all media publications that make China look like literal mordor? It's because they're being paid by shit like this propaganda fund.

I suggest reading sources from a mostly neutral source like Singapore such as the strait times or asia times which has a slight pro china bias. scmp is owned by jack ma but they generally have pretty solid reporting on domestic issues (not military) with a slight china bias, China also heavily punished jack ma and basically forced him to relinquish his empire due to monopoly practices recently so he isn't a fan of the ccp either. Western news sources we're familiar with like BBC, CNN, NYT etc. are so overtly anti China that the few solid articles they sometimes pump out are the anomaly that proves the rule.

As for youtube, I suggest watching just travel and vlog channels from China from foreigners that live there like Blondie in China. Usually you can get a pretty good sense of what it's actually like there if you just google China travel vlog or China vlog or smth since most of times it's from ordinary people living there and their perspectives.

Finally for some more structured content, asian boss street interviews from CHina are always good.
ElitePowerGamer 10 points 23h ago
China Uncensored has had an extremely obvious pro-Trump bias for years, though I'm not sure which Republican they've decided to back nowadays.

Maybe read some articles? I've read some pretty good articles about China from the New York Times. Otherwise for video, you could watch clips from ADVChina's podcasts.
CapableCollar 133 points 1d ago
China Insights is a trash source, they are one of those groups that keeps saying China will collapse any day now but says it all the time.
Intyga 109 points 1d ago
These guys really think ccp is trying to pay off a supposed 50,000,000,000,000 with traffic tickets lol
CapableCollar 37 points 1d ago
Almost any time someone says a nation is in debt and thus is out of money the entire source can be written off forever. It is like how in the US national debt is only ever brought up to score some cheap points with people who don't understand that national debt doesn't actually matter unless other factors are falling apart.
bluepsychedelia 9 points 1d ago
Eh, that’s true when it comes to the US, but marginally less true when it comes to other major countries with their own sovereign currency (the US, Australia, China, in a weird way some sections of the EU, etc), and completely untrue when a country’s currency is not sovereign (i.e., the Greek debt crisis)
SplitPerspective 9 points 1d ago
Could have just said a bajillion, it’s just as believable. Users should be able to detect misinformation easily, first clue was “50 trillion”, yet as long as it’s anti-China, the jingoistic fervor makes people delusional.
Varinak- 15 points 1d ago
Non western country bad, give upvotes
MasterBlazx 5 points 23h ago
They exaggerate and come to wrong conclusions, but the things they are talking about are often true, just not that big of a problem as they make it seem.
VanDieDorp -1 points 23h ago
i like china uncensored as well, but feel they are also biased.

Any alternative source for china news that is more factual?
Jyust 18 points 23h ago
China uncensored is literally owned by Falun Gong cultists

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_x15Cmhgb70&pp=ygUfTGNoaW5hIHVuY2Vuc29yZWQgaXMgZmFsdW4gZ29uZw%3D%3D
kredditacc96 9 points 23h ago
Then you must looks for a channel without "China" in its name. As long as there is "China", it's either anti-China bias or Chinese state media.
CapableCollar 2 points 22h ago
Pretty much actually. If it has China in the name it is either Chinese state media so biased in their favor or is going to be clickbait or expat oriented stuff to get people riled up about China.

Would anyone trust an organization called America Uncensored?

Oh, would you look at that, it exists and is run by crazy people.
https://uncensoredamerica.us/
slashd 2 points 23h ago
China Observer?
ElitePowerGamer 9 points 23h ago
China Observer has the exact same format as China Insights lol. They're basically clones of each other.
lemur1985 2 points 18h ago
Just go to r/sino most unbiased info there..
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Armolin 13 points 1d ago
>China Insights

That's one of the Falun Gong backed YouTube channels. Falun Gong is a religious apocalyptic sect backed by a few billonaires. They're like Scientology on steroids. One of their billonaire backers is Guo Wengui, same guy that bankrolls Steve Bannon.
djtodd242 2 points 20h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanzhongguo
HugoRBMarques 39 points 1d ago
... aaaand wheelchairs are banned. /s
Ok-Wasabi2873 25 points 1d ago
I’m sure that’s next. It’s China. They’re going to require a license to use a wheelchair and then fine everyone. They’ll announce it on a Sunday night and start enforcement on Monday morning.
Oxgods 2 points 1d ago
Couldn’t they just be logical and require an actual medical condition to operate said wheel chair?

When I initially read the article. I thought it was just a growing number of medical issues, but nope. Had to go deep dive the article after I saw a comment referencing wall-e.
blacksideblue 12 points 1d ago
Thats what the license will be.

Failure to register will result in a broken leg.

Failure to pay the fine will result in breaking the other leg.
forgotten_airbender 19 points 1d ago
Downvoted because the source is just a utter trash.
Sintacks 9 points 1d ago
I lasted about 8 seconds before closing that because of the laugh track.
SplitPerspective 8 points 1d ago
You have no clue how much 50 trillion is. Why don’t you just say a bajillion? It’s just as believable.
gmaster115 4 points 1d ago
"This young brother asked for a link." 💀💀
berryer 2 points 1d ago
What the fuck is going on with all the noise in the background of the first minute of that video?
addiktion 1 points 23h ago
Edit: It looks like China's National Debt is around $52T. In comparison the US is around $32T. Both of us are heavily in debt, but it will be curious to see what comes of it given the difference in how both countries manage their debt.

The US doesn't invest in empty skyscrapers like China has to juice their GDP numbers. That all came to an end with Covid. And given the Chinese local governments lying about population numbers for funding, it seems like its only going to get uglier for China. On top of the population collapse from their one child policy being in effect for too long and its looking like China is on course for a super nova explosion at some point.
Ashmizen -1 points 1d ago
Why didn’t they just walk? Honestly your own legs are faster than wheelchairs
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computer_crisps_dos 7 points 22h ago
This is kinda awesome, actually. Hear me out.

I'm a disabled urbanist in a developing country and I need one of these to function. I'm also pretty much restricted to move around within my neighborhood, because of urban barriers. If this catches on, the lack of accessibility will become obvious to more people.
Better still, the car infrastructure we all pay for, regardless of how useful we might personally find it, will look less and less like a reasonable hegemonic paradigm. The less space a transportation method takes up, the better for everyone.

Of course, this isn't the best solution and I hope bikes and e-scooters get the infrastructure they deserve. I'm also worried about the overly strict wheelchair usage regulations that this might cause, but I'm overall optimistic about this trend; do roll a mile in our chairs!
Zagrebian 15 points 1d ago
Are they really faster than walking? It doesn’t look that way.
M4err0w 34 points 1d ago
i mean, modern electrical wheelchairs definitely go faster than walkingspeeds.
timotheusd313 2 points 1d ago
My parents have electric scooters, and they can definitely move faster than my walking pace, which is also a bit faster than the average person walks.
Bytewave 2 points 23h ago
And since these are totally unregulated so far over there, they could be heavily modified for performance as well. One might say that this would be dangerous, sure, but the Chinese are not known for risk-aversion when moving around.
Neutral-President 13 points 1d ago
None of those people look particularly “young” either.

But wait until they start modifying them to go 30 km/h or faster!
petascale 3 points 1d ago
Faster than walking - maybe 1.5-2x walking speed, but slower than a bicycle. (At least for the ones available in Scandinavia.)
jcunews1 0 points 23h ago
They're not. They just using them to (selfishly) avoid stricter rules of e-bikes.
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downonthesecond 3 points 1d ago
>In the first half of 2023, there has been a 60 per cent increase in the sales of electric wheelchairs, with those costing 3,000 yuan (S$560) being the most popular.

I thought they would cost a lot more. Stills seems way more inconvenient for their speed and if they use gas.
Nobody-important-365 3 points 12h ago
Wall-e begins
jormungandrsjig 5 points 1d ago
Moving closer to wall-e every day
sir_lurrus 5 points 23h ago
Can they just ride a normal bike?
Flooble_Crank 2 points 1d ago
This raises the bigger question of why electric wheelchairs aren’t called e-chairs
joesighugh 2 points 1d ago
Imagining a flood of people in electric wheel chairs going to work, then getting off of them and walking inside is maybe the most absurd visualization I can imagine rn lol
CreepyConspiracyCat 2 points 23h ago
Wall-E did it
jollyGreenGiant3 2 points 22h ago
This reminds me of the Always Sunny episode where "Charlie Gets Crippled"...
ninthtale 2 points 22h ago
Can't use an e-bike? Pay waaaay more than a regular bike
stonge1302 2 points 22h ago
Just like Wally-E
EarthBender89 2 points 21h ago
that’s just fucking *chefs kiss*
incel_apokalipsss 2 points 14h ago
“Some lawyers in China reportedly said that although the action is not illegal, the use of electric wheelchairs by healthy people raises moral concerns.”

Moral concerns in China 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
point_breeze69 2 points 14h ago
They are beating Americans at what we are best at. Laziness! Come on America step it up. Tell China to hold your beer while you whip out a doozy of a comeback so we can secure our spot as the undisputed laziness powerhouse of the world.
wolfpwner9 2 points 10h ago
Professor Xavier
notyouravgredditor 5 points 1d ago
>E-bikes are among the vehicles that came under tighter regulations recently. Some of the regulations include restricting the speed of e-bikes and the requirement to dismount and push the bike when crossing a zebra crossing, according to news reports.

Wow, such tight, unreasonable regulations.... ^/s
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Sea_King9303 4 points 1d ago
what in the Cities Skylines is this?
Unhelpful_Applause 3 points 1d ago
For a country that doesn’t want to be western, what’s more western than using a mobility scooter because you don’t wanna walk.
icky_boo 4 points 1d ago
I honestly can't wait to see them pimp out the chairs with bigger faster motors and batteries.

But honestly, We already have pretty tough tight rules on E-bikes in Australia... max speed of 25km, has to be peddle assist (no throttles) and max of 250w motor.

I've seen some of these e-bikes the Chinese use for food deliveries in Sydney (they are the yellow bikes).. I can tell they are 1500w rear hubs with dual batteries with no speed limits and have throttles. You can tell because they are not even peddling and are going around 40km!

There's no real laws on e-bikes in China and they are now introducing them now so the people are revolting since they are used to having it so good for so long.

$1


That video says that the CCP is running out of money and now are targeting e-bikes to make revenue.. makes sense.
PandaCheese2016 3 points 23h ago
The entire channel being wall to wall “evil China is collapsing!!!” should give you an idea of how objective it is.
Crashdown212 0 points 1d ago
As someone who doesn’t live in Australia I’m curious as to why? I would think they’d want to encourage them to help limit the amount of cars on the road
icky_boo 6 points 1d ago
I think it's because the Gov knows that most e-bikes are used on footpaths (illegal but I've never heard anyone get fine for it) so they want to limit them so you don't kill a pedestrian. Even them ride share legal e-scooters (limited in speed and power) have been known to kill pedestrians when riders hit walkers and knock them over hitting their heads.

Not many people ride bikes on the roads in Australia compared to other countries simply because we have fast free flowing traffic and full of idiot car and truck drivers. It's just not that safe on the roads here.

Another issue in Australia is we don't have THAT many bike paths, there's been moves to make Sydney more bike friendly but NIMBYs have sued councils to get them removed as they don't like them for some reason. Probably because they can't park their extra SUV's in the front of their house or something or it lowers house value.. Who knows but people are actively against bikes here in Sydney and are all pro cars.. most homes have at least 2 cars.

I used to be pro e-bikes but have given up as they can't seem to get the laws and bike tracks in a timely manner. I've now moved onto small capacity motorbikes and think e-motorcycles/hydrogen motorbikes are now the future since they can use normal roads and riders need licenses while e-bike riders don't need licenses and can also be batshit crazy and don't follow road rules when they are on the road.

If they want e-bikes to be a real thing in Aust they need to allow people to ride powerful e-bikes on the road but make them get a special license and read the motorbike road rule book. My e-bike has a 1500w motor and can do around 70km which would be perfect for urban road riding but it's illegal and there's no way of making it legal unless I go make reg (and install indicators) it as a e-motorcycle and use a motorcycle license.

250w e-bikes are just not powerful enough to be on the road since they max out at around 40km with you peddling your heart out.
himself809 8 points 1d ago
>250w e-bikes are just not powerful enough to be on the road since they max out at around 40km with you peddling your heart out.

Some of the most popular bikeshare systems in the US (DC's, NYC's) use 250w e-bikes and a ton of people ride them on the roads. I ride one to commute sometimes in DC. 40kmph is plenty of speed for an urban or even suburban environment.
icky_boo 1 points 1d ago
Problem is a lot of the roads here near the CBD are minimal of 50km.. It's only recently that the whole of the CBD became 40KM which is fine for a e-bike.. It's just dicey around the 60-80km roads that 250w e-bikes are imho useless as they slow traffic and piss off drivers who then do dumb shit to ebike riders.

Ride share bikes haven't really taken off in Aus from what I've seen.. Even the new e-bike ride share bikes are rare here. Aus just isn't into bikes or e-scooters. Catch 22.. no bike paths for them and not enough riders to warrant a major change to install bike paths.
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adarkmethodicrash 2 points 1d ago
Also not AU, but would guess it's about safety. Having something bruising around at higher speeds in spaces shared by pedestrians, and being less actively steered... can cause problems.

And at some point, you stop talking about a "bike" and more about a "moped", which has different regulations to deal with those topics.
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hiro5id 2 points 22h ago
“wheelchairs by healthy people raises moral concerns.” As if China has any morals, the place where social credit score exists and your face is used to track you all over on cameras…
birbs3 1 points 1d ago
Wasnt this an episode of southpark?
shawslate 1 points 1d ago
No matter the problem, the government will be happy to both make things harder and be ineffective at whatever they try to implement while still costing huge amounts of money.

Traffic trouble? Limit access to cars! That causes ebike problems and you are out of money? Fine the ebikes! Now you have hordes of electric wheelchair gangs roaming about and doing terribly sinister activities… like going to work.
tsonfeir 0 points 1d ago
I dunno. Just walk?
Salt_Restaurant_7820 1 points 1d ago
Wall-E is coming closer to reality
rata_rasta 1 points 1d ago
I would ride an electric wheelchair if it had a cool design and protection from rain and crashes
revvolutions 1 points 1d ago
Electric wheelchairs are the future, old man!
Lemontree_leaf 1 points 22h ago
I highly doubt this is common as these wheelchairs cost over 30,000 dollars
Jehooveremover 3 points 20h ago
They start around 800 bucks on AliExpress

The USA is a straight up greed-mongering hellscape when it comes to stuff like that.
Fallingdamage 2 points 20h ago
Only in the US.

I mean, a Lamborghini only costs about $50,000 in raw parts. You just pay a lot of markup.
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wedloxk 1 points 1d ago
What a clown's world
rlaalsdn 0 points 1d ago
r/nottheonion
AbeRego 0 points 1d ago
Why not just ride regular bikes?
RedSquirrelFtw -2 points 1d ago
Governments need to stop constantly getting into peoples lives. Just leave people alone. Stop trying to regulate every damn little thing just because it starts to get more popular. If they have resources to enforce that it means people are paying too much taxes.
mexicoyankee -1 points 1d ago
One step closer to WallE
unturnedulema -1 points 1d ago
Yeah, I've been thinking for a long time about why won't young people use them like they use e-scooters or e-bikes.

So, the Chinese have already mastered that)
BalkanbaroqueBBQ -1 points 1d ago
What about walking, biking, or skating?
PassingShot11 1 points 1d ago
That’s obviously looked on as being for ‘poor’ people
Specialist-Ad4886 0 points 1d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw7WAq\_GZY8
Desmocratic 0 points 1d ago
All I can think of is Seinfeld:

$1
VesselOFWAR6666 0 points 22h ago
Lazy has reached a new high.
dearg3142 -4 points 1d ago
is walking not an option?
Puerquenio 1 points 22h ago
It's for people allergic to exercise, same as for people that drive everywhere
Power_of_Atturdy -1 points 1d ago
GoddessLeVianFoxx -1 points 1d ago
Die Antwoord- Umshini Wam

https://youtu.be/eMVNjMF1Suo
Academic_Guava_4190 -1 points 23h ago
They clearly are not a superstitious lot
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